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Because Mohammad does NOT repent... Mohammad instructs to HATE and KILL infidels.. Islam is not religion of GOD.. it is a religion of HATE.. the people are not evil.. the religion is evil.
Where does Islam instruct the kill "infidels?"

There was a story where this man hit a Coptic Christian for no reason. So, the Coptic went all the way to Umar from Egypt(which was a one month walk) and told Umar. Umar told the Coptic to hit the Muslim guy who hit him!

Umar did not say "kill the Coptic" or anything. He defended the Coptic.


Allah is a combination of idols and false GODs (Baal, ect) that Mohammad gathered together.. claiming combined they are GOD.

Mohammad is not a Profit or Messenger of GOD.. Jesus warns about false profits..
Ok first off, it is prophets, not profits. Learn proper English before speaking it.

Secondly, how is "Allah" a combination of false Gods?

You obviously know NOTHING about Islam. You know nothing about Tawheed, Shirk, and other concepts in Islam. Muhammad hated idolatry and destroyed the idols.

HISTORICALLY UNTRUE? REALLY...


From the Hadith:
Muslim 8:3309 - Muhammad married Aisha at the age of nine.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: I asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about a virgin whose marriage is solemnised by her guardian, whether it was necessary or not to consult her. Allah's Messerger (may peace be upon him) said: Yes, she must be consulted. 'A'isha reported: I told him that she feels shy, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Her silence implies her consent.


Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Muhammad was 52 and Aisha was 9 when they married and sexually consummated their marriage.
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).


So what! At that time, it was the norm.

Find me a writing where a Christian or Jew from that time thought it was bad what he did.

No one questioned it, because at that time it was not bad. Plus, he did nothing but good for Aisha. He made that lady become such a pious, loving person.

What I find funny, is your hypocrisy. You claim that Islam is pagan, yet you are the one who has the pagan concept of Trinity. You call Islam pedophilic, yet your religious book is the one that mentions the story of the Midianites, and how the Jews took 30,000 women children virgins as sex slaves. Not Islam. Christianity.
 
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français;47206966 said:
What I find funny, is your hypocrisy. You claim that Islam is pagan, yet you are the one who has the pagan concept of Trinity.
I thought you were athiest. Have you finally gone and said the Shahada? I am sure Muhammed will be proud to have your witness.
 
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français;47206966 said:
Where does Islam instruct the kill "infidels?"
Have a look at the verses on this site...
http://www.answering-islam.org/Terrorism/peace-loving.html
français;47206966 said:
There was a story where this man hit a Coptic Christian for no reason. So, the Coptic went all the way to Umar from Egypt(which was a one month walk) and told Umar. Umar told the Coptic to hit the Muslim guy who hit him!
Great! And Oskar Schindler who was a Nazi-party member saves 1,000 Jews. Both examples negate the millions killed by others of their group!
français;47206966 said:
You obviously know NOTHING about Islam. You know nothing about Tawheed, Shirk, and other concepts in Islam. Muhammad hated idolatry and destroyed the idols.
And he slayed the pagans. Where are the Arab 'Goths' of today? All those here of Wiccan background too, where are the Arab Wiccans?
français;47206966 said:
So what! At that time, it was the norm.
Really? So it was merely 'confirming' a normative practice? Where's it say it should only be of that time? What verses abrogate it?
français;47206966 said:
Find me a writing where a Christian or Jew from that time thought it was bad what he did.
What Chrisitan or Jew new of Islam 'at the time' Islam hadn't spread beyond Arabia?
français;47206966 said:
No one questioned it, because at that time it was not bad.
Anyone who 'questioned' Muhammed too vigourously was killed as going against the prophet of god.
français;47206966 said:
Plus, he did nothing but good for Aisha. He made that lady become such a pious, loving person.
Great. And I'm sure the Austrian dude who kept his daughter locked up regularly fed her and looked after her too.
français;47206966 said:
What I find funny, is your hypocrisy.
And here comes the attempt at tu quoque

What I find sad is your defending of a man who sexually assaulted a child. Why all of you put your hand up to rush to defend this is very sad.
 
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Post #25 and post #100 I offer evidence for my statements

Booko has ignored this, offering arguments about
a) Hadith 'in general'
b) called my evidence into question because it's from an anti-Islamic site - or more recently suggested my 'research' is from Wiki
and
c) repeated a) and b)
 
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Here's more confirmation - this time from Islamic sites that state her age, and also give advice to Moslems TODAYabout what to do based on this example (showing it's not just of that time/place)

Here's another ruling from another expert site - a site that presents Islamic facts to Moslems...
Q). I have a nine year-old girl who is married to a person at the age of 20. The marriage contract was made a year ago but the girl is refusing to live with her husband or even to look at him. In addition to that she requires him to divorce her. Could you please advise me what to do? Should I separate them or force my daughter to live with him?
(Name and address withheld)
A). It is certainly possible for a father to get his daughter married to someone who he thinks is suitable for her. Whether he should force her into any marriage is something totally different Let me relate this to you: A woman companion of the Prophet came to him and said: "My father has married me away to one of his relatives without asking my opinion. I do not wish to stay with this man as his wife." The Prophet ordered their separation. When she realized that she was free and that she was no longer married to the man, she said to the Prophet: "I now accept what my father has done and I am marrying this man. I only did this so that women may know that it is not up to men to marry them away against their wishes."
Scholars have discussed at length the marriage of a young girl who has not attained puberty and whether her father may marry her away without her permission. If such a marriage takes place it is valid. However, it is perhaps best if the marriage is not allowed to be consummated until the girl attains puberty, when she is given the choice whether to continue with this marriage or not. Moreover her father may not marry her away to someone who is of a lesser status than hers. If he does and she objects, the marriage is not valid. Generally speaking, however. a girl must be asked to express her opinion in any proposed marriage. If she has been married before, then her verbal consent should be requested. If she has not been married previously, then her consent is also to be requested, but if she keeps quiet, her silence is taken as approval.
To say that the marriage is valid is not to say that people should go ahead and make such marriages. There may be certain circumstances, which make it desirable or advisable that a very young girl should be married away in this manner but this must not be taken as the normal situation. In marriage, the normal thing is that people should marry when they are of marriageable age. That does not include girls of nine or ten years of age, although some girls may attain puberty that early. Marriage involves certain responsibilities and a very young girl could not be expected to shoulder these. There are also other problems, which the may face, as she grows older. If things go wrong with her marriage, she will always blame her father for having messed up her life, well intentioned though he may be. If you take the example of your own daughter, and you force her to go and live with her husband despite her protestations, you will never be sure whether the marriage will work out well or not. If it does, then well and good. But there is an equal chance that problems may arise especially with your daughter behaving like the child she is. While her husband expects from her the attitude of a married woman. How could you expect her to overcome the feeling that she has been thrown into this situation without being allowed the slightest say in the whole matter which is to affect the rest of her life?

As we see it, your choice is either to get her divorced now, before the marriage is consummated or to keep her with you until she has attained puberty and she is in a position to express her opinion about this marriage. If she still objects to it, then you divorce her without any compulsion to go through with it. If, on the other hand, if she approves of this marriage, at that time, then you go ahead with it. Perhaps it is better for you to consult with the young man to whom you have already married her. He should be understanding and accommodating. Between the two of you should work out the best solution which ensures that he is not lumbered with marriage which is forced on a young girl who cannot be expected to give an opinion about such a matter.
http://www.islamicvoice.com/august.98/marriage.htm#EAR

I need to know, when did the Holy Prophet get married to Hazrat Aisha, there have been claims on newsgroups that the Holy Prophet was a pedophile. I want enough information to be able to answer such allegations.

I need to know everything about this particular marriage, quoting sources.

Wa-alaikum


Praise be to Allaah.

The answer to your question may be found in the ahaadeeth of Saheeh al-Bukhaari and the commentary of al-Haafiz al-‘Asqallaani, which are quoted below:

‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married me when I was six years old. Then we came to Madeenah and stayed in Bani al-Haarith ibn Khazraj. I fell ill and my hair started to fall out (due to the illness; then it grew back thick again). My mother Umm Roomaan came to me whilst I was on a swing and my friends were with me. She shouted for me and I came to her, not knowing what she wanted. She took me by the hand and led me to the door of the house. I was out of breath and we waited until I had calmed down, then she took some water and wiped my face and head, then took me inside. There were some women of the Ansaar in the house, and they said: " ‘Alaa al-khayri wa’l-baraka wa ‘ala khayri taa’ir (blessings, best wishes, etc)." My mother handed me over to them and they tidied me up, then suddenly the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was there. It was mid-morning, and they handed me over to him. At that time I was nine years old." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3605).

‘Urwah said: "Khadeejah died three years before the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) migrated to Madeenah. He stayed alone for two years or thereabouts, then he married ‘Aa’ishah when she was six years old, and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3607)

The phrase "he married ‘Aa’ishah" means that the marriage contract was drawn up; the marriage was consummated later on, when she was nine.

Muslim reports from al-Zuhri, from ‘Urwah, that ‘Aa’ishah said that she was taken to him when she was nine years old, and she took her toys with her. He died when she was eighteen years old. Muslim also reports a similar account from ‘Aa’ishah via al-Aswad. He reports from ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Urwah from his father that ‘Aa’ishah said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married me in Shawwaal and consummated the marriage with me in Shawwaal."

‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married her when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, and she stayed with him for nine years." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4738)

Al-Bukhaari calls this chapter of his Saheeh "Baab inkaah al-rajul wuldahu (or waladahu) al-sighaar (Chapter on a man marrying off his young children)." The fact that Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
". . . and for those who have no courses [periods] [(i.e., they are still immature) their ‘iddah is three months likewise, except in case of death] . . ." [al-Talaaq 65:4]
is an indication that it is permissible to marry girls below the age of adolescence. This is a good understanding, but the aayah makes no specific mention of either the father or the young girl. It could be said that the basic principle concerning marrying children is that it is forbidden unless there is specific evidence (daleel) to indicate otherwise. The hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah states that her father Abu Bakr married her off before the age of puberty, but there is no other evidence apart from that, so the rule applies to all other cases.

Al- Muhallab said: "[The scholars] agreed that it is permissible for a father to marry off his young virgin daughter, even though it is not usually the case to have intercourse with such a young woman."

(The above was summarized from Fath al-Baari Sharh ‘ala Saheeh al-Bukhaari)

In summary, then, it is permitted to contract marriage with a young girl and to [nd her over to her husband to stay with him before she reaches adolescence. As for consummating the marriage, this does not happen until she is physically able for it. Thus the matter becomes quite clear. Do you see anything wrong with a man living with his young wife in one house, bringing her up and teaching her, but delaying consummation until she is ready for it? We ask Allaah to show us truth and falsehood and to make each clear. And Allaah knows best.


http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/1493

And who decides when she is of age for cosmummating, once she's already married...? The husband

Is this harmful?

Yes...

"Fact Sheet No.23, Harmful Traditional Practices Affecting the Health of Women and Children

Traditional cultural practices reflect values and beliefs held by members of a community for periods often spanning generations. Every social grouping in the world has specific traditional cultural practices and beliefs, some of which are beneficial to all members, while others are harmful to a specific group, such as women. These harmful traditional practices include female genital mutilation (FGM); forced feeding of women; early marriage; the various taboos or practices which prevent women from controlling their own fertility; nutritional taboos and traditional birth practices; son preference and its implications for the status of the girl child; female infanticide; early pregnancy; and dowry price. Despite their harmful nature and their violation of international human rights laws, such practices persist because they are not questioned and take on an aura of morality in the eyes of those practising them."

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu6/2/fs23.htm
 
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You, as a Wiccan, and another here, a Baha'i are demonstrating to all who read what exactly it is you stand for. This is one of the reasons I encourage non-Chrisitans to come to the NCR because it shows your faiths in the light.

All we have demonstrated in this thread is that we have more knowledge of your religion than you do. The reason why you resort to copying and pasting misinformation from anti-Islam websites and throwing up the "tu quoque!" card every other response is because you have nothing else you can use to support your dislike toward the Islamic faith. It's just a little bit too similar to Christianity for most Christians' comfort.
 
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Montalban, nobody in this debate is going to take your seriously when you've pulled pieces of essays from a site whose main pages says:

www.answering-islam.org said:
Would you trust somebody who openly boasts to be a skilled deceiver? It should be disturbing to Muslims and non-Muslims alike that the Qur'an speaks of Allah as deceiving and misleading others in about a dozen passages. If this is indeed part of the character of Allah, how can the Qur'an be trusted?

It's an obvious Christian site aimed at being anti-Islam. How can your talking points be taken seriously when your only "knowledge" of Islam comes from a website such as that?
 
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Montalban, nobody in this debate is going to take your seriously when you've pulled pieces of essays from a site whose main pages says:
And when I cited from the Hadith, using a university site, no one addressed that anyway.

Even you continue to avoid that now. If you're fishing for reasons not to engage in discussion of facts, then perhaps this recent example means you didn't have to go far, but it doesn't change the fact that those Koranic verses exist. They thus answered the question as put.

You of course disagree with that site's ethos but that doesn't change the verses
 
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All we have demonstrated in this thread is that we have more knowledge of your religion than you do.
Based on showing no evidence, disputing evidence as presented, etc. ROFL at least you have a sense of humour!

The reason why you resort to copying and pasting misinformation from anti-Islam websites and throwing up the "tu quoque!" card every other response is because you have nothing else you can use to support your dislike toward the Islamic faith. It's just a little bit too similar to Christianity for most Christians' comfort.

You need to learn what a tu quoque is. There's a thread dedicated to it here
 
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Really? So it was merely 'confirming' a normative practice? Where's it say it should only be of that time? What verses abrogate it?
okey , just to make this point clear for you
islam relegion means submitting to God , not submitting to society or submitting to cultures or submitting to amiricans laws.

if it was okey with allah in the time of the prophet , and it's okey with allah in mosas(pbuh) time and it was okey in jesus (pbuh) time , so we arn't authorized to prohibit it now from a relegious view

muslims trust in thier relegion , trust in thier prophet and trust in thier holy book , they not need to change it or ignore part of it or reform it as christians do with thier relegion

marrying in this age wasn't a sin before , not a sin nowadays , if you see it as a sin or crime or evil act , so describe for us your point of view

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okey , just to make this point clear for you
islam relegion means submitting to God , not submitting to society or submitting to cultures or submitting to amiricans laws.
You need to take issue with those that posit your faith in 7th Century Arabia - and leave it there.
if it was okey with allah in the time of the prophet , and it's okey with allah in mosas(pbuh) time and it was okey in jesus (pbuh) time , so we arn't authorized to prohibit it now from a relegious view
This of course would be proven by the 'fact' it was approved by Al-lah
muslims trust in thier relegion , trust in thier prophet and trust in thier holy book , they not need to change it or ignore part of it or reform it as christians do with thier relegion
Really, so there's no 'movements' in Islam? The Wahibbis seem to think most of Islam has 'reformed' too much.
marrying in this age wasn't a sin before , not a sin nowadays , if you see it as a sin or crime or evil act , so describe for us your point of view
I noted the harm it causes a child.

Show me that a girl who at the very beginning of her journey to adulthood - physically, because although she's begun menstruration has still to grow - is an adult emotionally and psychologically and thus ready to bear children.
 
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In the name of Allah and peace be upon the prophet Mohamed
I wrote this thread just to make every one who is not Muslim to think. But here as I predict I found Christians tries to attack Islam by attacking our prophet peace be upon him and I don't know why?? Why you do this?? Why do you hate the most person (real Muslims) most love I think it is the true of what Allah said in the Quran



120. Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
Surah 2. The Cow

they also argued that Mohamed peace be upon him was a murder why they mentioned the story of kaab ibn alashraf who said bad words about the prophet peace be upon him and the prophet peace be upon him that he kaab hearted Allah and his prophet the man said a lot of bad things about Muslims too.
Secondly they talked a lot of Aisha and how she was young when the prophet peace be upon him, first of all it was normal the a girl marry in the age of 9 or 10 beside that she was already engaged before the prophet peace be upon him engaged her she was engaged in 7 and married in 9.and this is common in even our Arabian countries in the old days my grand grand mother was married in10 or 11 so what it isn't strange may be it is for you but not for us Arabs.
And I wonder you left all the beauties of Islam and only talk about this
I wonder too that there is a lot of strange things in their books they do accept and its ok for them but in Islam wait Mohamed did so and that . my words to you Christian are Allah'a words







15. O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book,-

59. Say: "O people of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that hath come to us and that which came before (us), and (perhaps) that most of you are rebellious and disobedient?"

68. Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

116. And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
117. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
118. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."
119. Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah. That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires).
Surah 5. The Table, The Table Spread
 
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In the name of Allah and peace be upon the prophet Mohamed
I wrote this thread just to make every one who is not Muslim to think. But here as I predict I found Christians tries to attack Islam by attacking our prophet peace be upon him and I don't know why?? Why you do this?? Why do you hate the most person (real Muslims) most love I think it is the true of what Allah said in the Quran



120. Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
Surah 2. The Cow

Thanks for the example of circular logic
 
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This of course would be proven by the 'fact' it was approved by Al-lah
it didn't rejected by allah although it was normal practice

Really, so there's no 'movements' in Islam? The Wahibbis seem to think most of Islam has 'reformed' too much.
i'm not wahabbi
beside i mean that we not prohibit what God give permission to
and we not permit what allah prohibit ,the time isn't effective factor in islam beliefs

I noted the harm it causes a child.
well , give me examples , scientific view please
Show me that a girl who at the very beginning of her journey to adulthood - physically, because although she's begun menstruration has still to grow - is an adult emotionally and psychologically and thus ready to bear children.
you allerady agree with me that it was ntaural since few centuries , and guess what? it was worked

or may be i misunderstood your point , am i ?
 
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it didn't rejected by allah although it was normal practice
It was normal practice for female child infaniticide. Muhammed ended that.


i'm not wahabbi
I don't say you were. You contend that there's no room for reform. They would say you've reformed, already
beside i mean that we not prohibit what God give permission to
and we not permit what allah prohibit ,the time isn't effective factor in islam beliefs
Based of course on circular reasoning that it's from your god.
well , give me examples , scientific view please
I already evidenced this from the UN
you allerady agree with me that it was ntaural since few centuries , and guess what? it was worked
I did not say it was 'natural'.
or may be i misunderstood your point , am i ?

Let's put it on a time line. Say a girl ages from 9 to 21.

a) At the age of 9 she begins to menstruate
b) At the age of 15 she stops growing taller
c) At the age of 20 her brain stops growing bigger
d) At the age of 21 she 'fills out' into her womanly figure.

Now that's just the 'physical' aspects of her growth. You believe that three months after a) she's ready for having children despite the fact she's still growing and developing. As noted, that's just the physical aspect of her life. We're not just physical beings but have mental capacities and have emotional growth

If you can evidence that she is 'matured' emotionally and mentally three months after a) (remembering that she's only just started physical maturation) you'd have a point about it being 'natural'. Your god seems not to know this about human development. Just because she's 'capable' of having a child physically doesn't mean she's ready to mentally/emotionally. Islam has great emphasis on the physical aspects of the body.

Even Moslem nations tacitally recognise this point. Sure, they might allow her to marry at the age of 13, or 12, of younger, but do they give her the right to drive, or vote - as an ADULT? No. They wait till 18! Why? Because she's not ready to vote or drive.

I also note with some sadness that none of your pagan/wiccan allies here are even addressing the fact that you seem to think that this age of 'consummation' should continue - so much for their "Oh, it was 'normal' back then".
 
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Jesus is the GATE.. there is no way to the father except through Him.


Jn 10:7-11 Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am thegate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am thegate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

Jn 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and thelife. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Mt 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.


ISLAM is the Beast.

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It was normal practice for female child infaniticide. Muhammed ended that.
yes it was wrong practice , and it prohibited by allah in quran
31 - (o'people) Kill not your children for fear of want: we shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. verily the killing of them is a great sin

I don't say you were. You contend that there's no room for reform. They would say you've reformed, already
i don't know what is the type of reform they refer to


I already evidenced this from the UN
excuse me ! where is that


Let's put it on a time line. Say a girl ages from 9 to 21.

a) At the age of 9 she begins to menstruate
b) At the age of 15 she stops growing taller
c) At the age of 20 her brain stops growing bigger
d) At the age of 21 she 'fills out' into her womanly figure.
thank you
so what is problem or what is relation between this kind of growing and pregnancy?

Now that's just the 'physical' aspects of her growth. You believe that three months after a) she's ready for having children despite the fact she's still growing and developing. As noted, that's just the physical aspect of her life. We're not just physical beings but have mental capacities and have emotional growth
is it your personal openion , or thier are scientic studies ?


If you can evidence that she is 'matured' emotionally and mentally three months after a) (remembering that she's only just started physical maturation) you'd have a point about it being 'natural'.
why she must to be completely matured before marriage ?

Your god seems not to know this about human development. Just because she's 'capable' of having a child physically doesn't mean she's ready to mentally/emotionally.
you havn't actual reasons for your view
what is the problems related to mentally/emotionally of young girls?

and please dont speak about the knowledge of allah about human development specefically , it will be big problem for you if i argued with about it .

Even Moslem nations tacitally recognise this point. Sure, they might allow her to marry at the age of 13, or 12, of younger, but do they give her the right to drive, or vote - as an ADULT? No. They wait till 18! Why? Because she's not ready to vote or drive.
well , we talking here about God and relegions
so don't mix legal syestems of humans in our relegious discussion


I also note with some sadness that none of your pagan/wiccan allies here are even addressing the fact that you seem to think that this age of 'consummation' should continue - so much for their "Oh, it was 'normal' back then".
as long as cultures changes , islam never change
may it will be very strange in these days for girls 9yo to get married , but it's still not a sin
may be it will be illegal even in muslims countries , but it's still not a sin from prespective of our God

we are not Gods nor prophits to decide instead of allah that it's a sin
 
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Actually your thread is stereotypical.

Anyone who mentions Muhammed and Aisha and we get a swathe of people who jump in to stymie that discussion.
of course it is, it's called "stereotypes".
are we both blonde? ^_^
 
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