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what do you know about Islam?
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And this differs from the characteristics some of the great "Bible heroes" possessed how?
Because Mohammad does NOT repent... Mohammad instructs to HATE and KILL infidels.. Islam is not religion of GOD.. it is a religion of HATE.. the people are not evil.. the religion is evil.
Allah is a combination of idols and false GODs (Baal, ect) that Mohammad gathered together.. claiming combined they are GOD.
Mohammad is not a Prophet or Messenger of GOD.. Jesus warns about false prophets..
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Muslims can not dispute the truth.. so they point across the field for distraction and change of subject...
the subject was and still IS.. what do we know about Islam.. I laid it out.. should be on the front page of the daily newspaper.. but so many Christians trying to be meek they don't know when its time to stand up.
Its time to stand up.
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- Jefell
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It differs because we know that nonsense about Muhammad being a pedophile is historically untrue and is nothing more than gossip spread about da internetz. Well, that would be putting it charably. Actually I think it runs a little closer to bearing false witness, but that's me.
To get back to the OP, hm, what do I know of Islam? Well, I've read the Qu'ran in several translations, have a few collections of hadith as well, have read several scholarly histories written by Muslims and non-Muslims alike, and am always interesting in learning more as I roam about various religious forums or meet Muslims in real life.
I am unlikely to become a Muslim myself, but knowledge is always a good thing.
As long as it's real knowledge and not repackaged rumourmongering.
HISTORICALLY UNTRUE? REALLY...
From the Hadith:
Muslim 8:3309 - Muhammad married Aisha at the age of nine.
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: I asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about a virgin whose marriage is solemnised by her guardian, whether it was necessary or not to consult her. Allah's Messerger (may peace be upon him) said: Yes, she must be consulted. 'A'isha reported: I told him that she feels shy, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Her silence implies her consent.
Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Muhammad was 52 and Aisha was 9 when they married and sexually consummated their marriage.
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
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Why does he need to repent? God has already forgiven him.
Where does he do this?
How do you know this?
How do you know this?
Jews also say that Jesus was a false prophet. . . . . . what is your standard for determining truth? If you have one.
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let's sing a song of stereotypes... (they always seem to pop up in Islam threads don't they)
(they always seem to pop up in Islam threads don't they)
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Because Muslims do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. They believe he was a prophet, just as Muhammed was. Jews don't repent either. What is your point?
Actually, Muhammed was believed to have written the Koran under the direct influence of God, just as Christians believe the authors of the Bible received divine inspiration. If it's in the Koran, Muslims believe they are the words of Allah (God) rather than Muhammed.
This is also one of the single most misunderstood verses from the Koran and it is always used to defame Islam. Tell me something, Jefell - have you read the Koran in its entirety, or did you simply take the one verse that John Hagee and other evangelists have used to smear Islam and claim it's a "religion of violence"? If you have not read the Koran in its entirety, then it's safe to assume you have taken the verse out of context. Perhaps we could do the same with the Bible and claim Christianity is an evil, violent religion.
Genesis 6:12-13 said:
Exodus 12:29 said:
Numbers 15:32 & 35-36 said:
Looks to me as if God commanded many violent killings on his behalf. God also helped Elisha summon a bear to eat some young boys who were mocking his bald head. God also commanded that disobedient children, adulterous women and Pagans be violently put to death.
Actually, they worship the same God Christians do. In fact, Allah is Arabic for "God" and all Arabic-speaking people of an Abrahamic religion (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) use the term "Allah" to mean "God".
You're probably thinking of the Meccan/Pagan perception of Allah. In Islam, Allah roughly means "sole deity". Islam is a monotheistic religion in which Allah (God) is the creator of the universe, is omnipotent and is the supreme judge. Sounds just like the Christian God to me. In fact, Christian Arabs still use the word "Allah" instead of God because that's the only name of his that they know. The word "god" has Germanic roots, which explains why Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews use the term "Allah" exclusively.
Does the IRS have anything to do with false "profits"?
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Technically speaking, Muhammad recited the words, and others wrote them down or memorized them and it was compiled later (but not much later).
Yes, I've had a Muslim elsewhere try to train me to say "God says in the Qu'ran" instead of "Muhammad said".
I've taken more than a few atheists to task for doing exactly that. Ripping a text like that out of its historical context is bad enough, but ripping out one surih from the entire text is doubleplusungood.
Yes, when Arabic-speaking Christians pray, they pray to "Allah."
I would certainly hope Christians would not be praying to an idol from pagan times among the Quraysh. :o
No, they're usually more concerned with a failure to report real profits.
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Why are you still persisting with tu quoque? Why are you even defending the assault on a child?
Not quite. Moslems don't believe Muhammed 'authored' the Koran, but, like a secretary taking dictation simply repeated what was said to him
Moslems don't just rely on the Koran, but Hadith, and one of the Islamic schools of jurisprudence that you would adhere to. All of them support 'jihad' in violent form - take a read of "the Legacy of Jihad" which is a compedium of the various rulings.
But they're not the same.
When I read the violence of the OT I don't say "This is a direct revelation of GOd's will that I should still be practicing".
But I note you're good at avoiding questions - and I'd asked you which teachings towards violence were you meant to practice as a Chrisitan - but avoiding that answer helps you insist on these things (Chrisitanity and Islam) being the same.
I'll leave it at that for now. You want to advertise you avoid questions, that's up to you.
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Montalban
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When a Hindu, in an English country using English says "I pray to God" it's not the same as a Christian using the same word "God".
For the object of each is different. The same word is moderated by the fact they're different objects.
For example. I have an American friend and an Irish friend and when we use the word 'football' we are all indeed talking about a sport involving a ball and a field, but I'm talking about Rugby League Football, the American about American Football (or Gridiorn) and the Irishman about Associated Football (Soccer).
It's quite a common mistake for you to make.
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Montalban
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It shows what understanding of the term you have.
A pedophile is someone who is primarily attracted to children. I don't have evidence that Muhammed was primarily attracted to children. Certainly he had this child bride Aisha and she was his 'favourite'.
The evidence I have is
a) she was nine
b) he 'consummated' the marriage when she was nine
and therefore he committed a sexual assault upon a child. Even if she was 'consenting'.
DOn't tar me with your brush of selectivity. I have already addressed this by asking where does it say that this example of Muhammed is relevant only for his time.
Again this is you re-arranging what I have written to suit yourself. Nowhere have I accused him of being a pedophile. I've stated this. You even just addressed it and now you say I've called him that again!
Where's the Bible verse saying "Do this...."?
I've asked you again and again and again. But such is your hatred for Christianity that you would desire to defend this monsterous act of indecency towards a child by using relativist arguments, tu quoque, and now straw-man (where you say I call him one thing - when I've stressed that I don't believe he was)
The reason I keep discussing this with you is because you show what Chrisitanity is up against. When people defend such monsterous acts it advertises people as a certian type.
You, as a Wiccan, and another here, a Baha'i are demonstrating to all who read what exactly it is you stand for. This is one of the reasons I encourage non-Chrisitans to come to the NCR because it shows your faiths in the light.
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Montalban
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Again another example of ignoring responses and asking the same question.
I've cited the Hadith and I used a university site. I even added a Moslem site that comments directly to the use of the terms about her age.
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Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.236
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65:
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064
Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Book 008, Number 3311:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3309
This is confirmed by modern day Moslem web-sites...
"Of the four ahâdîth in Sahîh al-Bukhari, two were narrated from cAishah (7:64 and 7:65), one from Abû Hishâm (5:236) and one via 'Ursa (7:88).All three of the ahâdîth in Sahîh Muslim have cAishah as a narrator.Additionally, all of the ahâdîth in both books agree that the marriage betrothal contract took place when cAishah was "six years old", but was not consummated until she was "nine years old".Additionally, a hadîth with the same text (matn) is reported in Sunan Abû Dâwûd.Needless to say, this evidence is - Islamically speaking - overwhelmingly strong and Muslims who deny it do so only by sacrificing their intellectual honesty, pure faith or both.
This evidence having been established, there doesn't seem much room for debate about cAishah's age amongst believing Muslims. Until someone proves that in the Arabic language "nine years old" means something other than "nine years old", then we should all be firm in our belief that she was "nine years old" (as if there's a reason or need to believe otherwise!?!).In spite of these facts, there are still some Muslim authors that have somehow (?) managed to push cAishah's age out to as far as "fourteen or fifteen years old" at the time of her marriage to the Prophet(P).It should come as no surprise, however, that none of them ever offer any proof, evidence or references for their opinions. This can be said with the utmost confidence, since certainly none of them can produce sources more authentic than the hadîth collections of Imâms al-Bukhârî and Muslim! Based on the research that I've done, I feel that there is a common source for those who claim that cAishah's age was "fourteen or fifteen years old" at the time of the marriage. This source is The Biographies of Prominent Muslims which is published in book form, on CD-ROM and is posted in several places on the Internet.Just another example of why going to the sources is important . . ."
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(We concur with the general contents of the article.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best Mufti Ebrahim Desai http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6618)
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