When will USA accept that they commited terrible crimes against japan in WWII?

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And you didn't answer my question. How much did the Brits and Australians contribute to the victory over Japan? I'll tell you: not much.

Thats a steaming load. If the Australians and the British hadn't stopped the Japanese from consolidating their hold in the Pacific, the Americans wouldn't have been able to make any headway against them. Not to mention the natural resources that Australian resistance denied the Japanese... had the Japanese captured Australian oil, coal and steel resources, they would have been unstopable.

Borneo, New Guinea, Sulewesi, Malaysia, Burma, China... all areas where Commonwealth and Australian forces halted or even turned back Japanese advances.

Yes, the American contribution was massive. It was NOT singlehanded, and, word to the wise, it REALLY annoys your allies when y'all act like it was.
 
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it was bad failure to start that war. A very bad failure. We can´t turn time back. I wish i could but i can´t.
But even when we started the war, you shouldn´t take away our humanity.
I told it before, so many were burned into ash in a seconds. They are just away.

Okay, so I think your using the term "bad failure" to convey, a bad mistake. When we use the term "failure", it is to describe....a result that didn't go the way we intended. So when you say "bad failure" in might not being precieved as you saying it was something we shouldn't have done.

AkiraYamato, it was not America's intent to take away the humanity of the Japanese that died. Remember, that Eastern and Western way of thinking is different....we have different religions and cultural aspects, that act as a lens on how we view things. The intent was to stop the war as soon as possible....that was the intent, not to make Japan feel like their humanity had been taken away. In fact, when we view it from our prospective it was a protective measure to end the suffering that the war was causing....in a quick manner. Especially when we compare an instant death, to one of prolong suffering that most of the innocent citizens in other Asian countries suffered at the hands of the Japanese. So in our view, our actions would be more merciful, because it brought about the end of the war.....than those that Japan had been committing against other Asians.

BTW, I am curious....would you have considered it a bad mistake, if America never bombed...and Japan won the war?

My family lost many too. Not in Hiroshima, but in the war on sea and in Okinawa. There are pictures. My grandmother lost 6 brothers and her father. It is hard to live with that.

Well that is one of the consquences of war, is that people on bothsides die....and Japan very well knew that there would be the lost of the lives of their men, when they started the war. So your pain should be directed at your governments actions.....not an another country that was defending it's self, against the unwarranted aggressions of yours. It's called self defense. One of the main reasons I even posted in this thread, was to point out that you are focusing all of your pain, toward a people that were defending themselves...your country's decisions put your family in the situation were beloved members would be lose. The unpleasant consquences of the bombings, are a direct result from the unwarranted aggression of Japan.

Japan's decision to declare war on America.....without warning I might add...put us in the postion of having to defend ourselves, which would result in the lose of the lives of our loved ones.

Another thing to consider, is America was fighting a two front war...there was also a war effort in Europe against Hitler. This was a major drain on resources for a country that was coming out of a major economic depression. We were at the point, were we wouldn't have the resources to successfullly win either war, if we continued fighting in a conventional manner of war.

Some very bad things happened on both sides and i don´t know how to explain that well, but listen:
Yes we started it and maybe we are responsible for that events our own, but when you lose somebody, you can´t care about responsibility. You are very very sad then and need help to go through that.

Yes, and we are also sad.....when our people are forced into a postion of having to offer their lives up as a sacriface to defend us against outside aggression. Don't you think the families of Americans grieved when their sons were killed? Can't you see, that the chance to end the killing of their sons, would take priority over preserving the life of an ememy...who's actions caused the death of their sons?

I can't think of any American that doesn't think the lose of innocent life during the bombings wasn't tragic....and that does make us sad. BUT, we realize that our actions were in an effort to preserve the lives of our sons and daughters(nurses :)), and the perservation of our nation.
 
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Thats cruel and heartless. We couldn´t exspect that.

We also couldn't expect you massacreing tens of thousands of our soldiers and seamen..sometimes cutting them open alive or tossing them on the back of propellers while they were still alive..or just plain killing them or we couldn't expect Japan killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians all across the pacific. Japan could have expected an atomic weapon. They were working on one themselves. Good thing American ingenuity prevailed :cool:
 
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Yep, Japan was attempting to build a weapon and maybe detonated at least a small test one on a small island.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_atomic_program

If the war had dragged on longer, the possibility of such a weapon being used on the Americans obviously increased. The project accelerated after Japan started losing the war. So really it becomes a non-issue in terms of legality of its use. It was going to be used in the Pacific one way or another.
 
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Thats is a lie and you know it.
There was a plan to use massive biological warfare against the USA mainland, but even Tojo was against that. He feared that americans make revenge with weapons of mass destruction if Japan use such things.
Well USA did use such weapons, no matter if we used it or not.
I think they did that, beause asian lives had no worth for them. My history teacher said that too. You never do such things to somebody who looks more like you.
And by the way, it wasn´t the americans who developed it. Most plans were stolen from German scientists after Germany surrendered, like Dr. Heisenberg.
USA stole much technology and knowledge.
Your own technology was mostly bad designed. Very bad example for that are your Jeeps. My grandfather placed with many other boys steel wires over the streets. All over Japan, american soldiers got beheaded in the dozens evry day.
 
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=Thats is a lie and you know it.

<staff edit> You have no sources to back up your claims. It is not a lie, and if you are calling it a lie, then show us evidence that it is a lie.


There was a plan to use massive biological warfare against the USA mainland, but even Tojo was against that. He feared that americans make revenge with weapons of mass destruction if Japan use such things.

Sorry dude. The only reason they didn't use it was because they couldn't figure out how to weaponize it. The program was going on until the end of the war. If they weren't planning on using it, then it made no sense for them to continue development.



Well USA did use such weapons, no matter if we used it or not.
I think they did that, beause asian lives had no worth for them. My history teacher said that too. You never do such things to somebody who looks more like you.

LOL <staff edit> So what do you say about the Japanese atrocities against the Chinese? The Chinese look like Japanese. Why did they commit such atrocities? And Japan also commited atrocities against people that did not look like them..the Allies.






And by the way, it wasn´t the americans who developed it. Most plans were stolen from German scientists after Germany surrendered

<staff edit> Germany didn't even have a substantial nuclear weapons program. Our designs were home grown.

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USA stole much technology and knowledge.
Your own technology was mostly bad designed. Very bad example for that are your Jeeps. My grandfather placed with many other boys steel wires over the streets. All over Japan, american soldiers got beheaded in the dozens evry day

We didn't steal much techology and knowledge and your story regarding jeeps is laughable.
 
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Didn't you say you were an exchange student here? How did you manage? With so much hatred of Americans, how did you do it? Weren't you just pukin' in disgust everyday? Didn't you just want to leave in fear? You've been taught history that is wrong, by someone who is wrong. Ever hear of the Cold War? The Soviets had nuclear weapons pointed at us, we had nuclear weapons pointed at them, and you know something? Can't tell us apart by looking. Have you heard of Hamburg? We bombed the crap out of it, sent it up in flames. Can't tell Germans apart from Americans just by looking, either. Race has nothing to do with it. Being the enemy has everything do to with it.
 
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<staff edit> You have no sources to back up your claims. It is not a lie, and if you are calling it a lie, then show us evidence that it is a lie.




Sorry dude. The only reason they didn't use it was because they couldn't figure out how to weaponize it. The program was going on until the end of the war. If they weren't planning on using it, then it made no sense for them to continue development.





LOL <staff edit> So what do you say about the Japanese atrocities against the Chinese? The Chinese look like Japanese. Why did they commit such atrocities? And Japan also commited atrocities against people that did not look like them..the Allies.








<staff edit> Germany didn't even have a substantial nuclear weapons program. Our designs were home grown.

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We didn't steal much techology and knowledge and your story regarding jeeps is laughable.
The entire nuclear stuff was invented in Germany. Heisenberg is by far the most famous scientist ever in that area.
Oh and the story with the beheadings is not made up. Why you think my grandfather has collected so much american medals from their uniform. He used that as trophy and many others too.
But i don´t blame you. You have no education.
 
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Didn't you say you were an exchange student here? How did you manage? With so much hatred of Americans, how did you do it? Weren't you just pukin' in disgust everyday? Didn't you just want to leave in fear? You've been taught history that is wrong, by someone who is wrong. Ever hear of the Cold War? The Soviets had nuclear weapons pointed at us, we had nuclear weapons pointed at them, and you know something? Can't tell us apart by looking. Have you heard of Hamburg? We bombed the crap out of it, sent it up in flames. Can't tell Germans apart from Americans just by looking, either. Race has nothing to do with it. Being the enemy has everything do to with it.

I had some friends there yes. But i really didn´t like it there. Most of them i was nice with i hated.
 
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The entire nuclear stuff was invented in Germany. Heisenberg is by far the most famous scientist ever in that area.
Oh and the story with the beheadings is not made up. Why you think my grandfather has collected so much american medals from their uniform. He used that as trophy and many others too.
But i don´t blame you. You have no education.

Sorry, you are wrong as always and you are not educated. How many times did you have to repeat the second grade? Can you read and comprehend?

Heisenberg did discover fission, but the groundwork had already been laid and Heisenberg could not figure out how to weaponize it. He was surprised the allies had built a bomb when he was interviewed after the war. He thought it would take a lot more materials..tons..instead of kilograms.

And your grandfather is a cold blooded murderer. He killed troops after your country accepted surrender. What a dirt bag.
 
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Akira, why did you start this thread? Did you have an intention for honest debate or was it your plan all along to have a platform to spew hatred towards Americans?

I'll take 'spewing hatred' for $1000, Alex.
 
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Sorry, you are wrong as always and you are not educated. How many times did you have to repeat the second grade? Can you read and comprehend?

Heisenberg did discover fission, but the groundwork had already been laid and Heisenberg could not figure out how to weaponize it. He was surprised the allies had built a bomb when he was interviewed after the war. He thought it would take a lot more materials..tons..instead of kilograms.

And your grandfather is a cold blooded murderer. He killed troops after your company accepted surrender. What a dirt bag.
I have very good grades in school. As you see, i speak fluent english, just after one year learning it and 8 weeks in USA.
And i consider my grandfather as hero. He and his comrades were just 14-16 years old and brave enough to defend Kyoto.
 
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