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[CaDan]

Sorry

The mobs are being motivated by the mosque. The mosques are being funded and spread and funded by the oil states. The oil states are united under one religious ideology.

I would disagree with the bolded portion. The splits between Shi'a and Sunni are pretty deep.

I understand this. However, I am entirely frustrated with the Government, with the press, and with people in general who continually crow on about the poor oppressed Muslim while ignoring the poor oppressed everybody else. I am also entirely frustrated with the attitudes of Muslims and their liberal facilitators on this forum, Futwaa excepted (who while I diagree with him on many things, is at least not disengenuous on anything), who bleat on about the majesty of Islam while turning a blind eye towards the injustice perpetrated through the mosques throughout the world today (not 500 years ago).

That is such a strawman. No one is arguing that position here and I think you would be hard pressed to find such an example outside of the Freepers' fantasy world.

The perfect example - Christianity is evil because it is opposed to homosexuals, but Islam is beautiful (all the while ignoring the execution and jailing of gays in Muslim countries)

See above. Flawed premise as well.

There is a gross mental discordance adrift that will allow mankind to spiral out of control.

There has never been a truer saying: quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius

Subtext of your argument is that those who disagree with you are insane. That's not much of an argument.

 

[GeratTzedek]

Shia and Sunni teachings in Islamic states are QUITE united in their vision of Islamic world view and destruction of the Jews.

 

[Secundulus]

Secundulus[/B] The perfect example - Christianity is evil because it is opposed to homosexuals, but Islam is beautiful (all the while ignoring the execution and jailing of gays in Muslim countries)

See above. Flawed premise as well.

This argument has been made on this forum within the last 24 hours. I won't waste the time refuting the rest of your post since you refuse to acknowledge that which stares you in the face in plain text.

 

[Vene]

SorryI understand this. However, I am entirely frustrated with the Government, with the press, and with people in general who continually crow on about the poor oppressed Muslim while ignoring the poor oppressed everybody else. I am also entirely frustrated with the attitudes of Muslims and their liberal facilitators on this forum, Futwaa excepted (who while I diagree with him on many things, is at least not disengenuous on anything), who bleat on about the majesty of Islam while turning a blind eye towards the injustice perpetrated through the mosques throughout the world today (not 500 years ago).

The perfect example - Christianity is evil because it is opposed to homosexuals, but Islam is beautiful (all the while ignoring the execution and jailing of gays in Muslim countries)

Now, I know that I have argued against Islam in the past. You are also making the assumption that all liberals are atheists (or at least non-Christian) with the second paragraph I quoted.

Shia and Sunni teachings in Islamic states are QUITE united in their vision of Islamic world view and destruction of the Jews.

And here I thought that Islam taught that the Christians and Jews were people of the book. And I was also under the impression that the current mess with Israel was because both the Israelis and Palestinians think they have rights to the Gaza strip.

 

[GeratTzedek]

You're all nuts.

Ah but its the people who do not realize they are nuts that are REALLY scary!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Shia and Sunni teachings in Islamic states are QUITE united in their vision of Islamic world view and destruction of the Jews.

Shalom GerTzedek. According to this Muslim apologetics site, those are also considered "Mushrikeen/Infidels". I never realized how much Islam itself is divided just as Christianity is Divided [Catholics vs Protestants for example]. Is the much division within Judaism? Just curious.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm

Muslim Infidels in the Noble Quran: Many of the Salafies, Shias, Sufies, Quranis and all other Islamic sects are considered INFIDELS (mushrikeen) according to Allah Almighty Himself in Noble Verses 30:31-32 and many other ones. I know that this is hard to believe and sounds very absurd, but it is true! Please read section #4 and my new conclusion. Allah Almighty literally called them mushrikeen!

 

[GeratTzedek]

For example GerTzedek were you born a Palestinian you would be as furious as they are. You would be demonising the Israelis.

I'm not "demonizing" anyone. I am pointing out the fact that evicting people and bulldozing the homes of terrorists is simply not morally equivilent to targeting babies for death.

I should remind you first, that I am NOT a Jew by birth, but by choice.

Second, I have already stated that there is a problem with Palestinian CULTURE passing on an ethic of excuse making, anti-semitism, and terrorism to each new generation. So you and I agree that had I been born Palestinian, I would likely have been so deeply enculturated into this that I would not be able to tell heads from tales.

 

[GeratTzedek]

Little Lamb:

I have studied Islam in depth. Enough to see its admirable points, which is a good deal more than most people. I sat in a classroom with both Sunni and Shia. I am very familiar with the anoymosity between them. Indeed, destroying Israel and the West and the profession of their faith is about the only thing they can do together.

Judaism is tolerant of diversity, perhaps even proud of it. This is why it is said, "Ask two rabbis a question, get three answers." You don't see Lubavitchers declaring war on Conservatives, or Reform Jews releasing mustard gas against Modern Orthodox.

 

[GeratTzedek]

And here I thought that Islam taught that the Christians and Jews were people of the book. And I was also under the impression that the current mess with Israel was because both the Israelis and Palestinians think they have rights to the Gaza strip.

You thought wrong. The Islamic culture which exists today accepted the importation of European anti-semitism via the Nazis in WWII. This is about irradication of a JEWISH state.

 

[Secundulus]

Now, I know that I have argued against Islam in the past. You are also making the assumption that all liberals are atheists (or at least non-Christian) with the second paragraph I quoted.That was not my intent.

And here I thought that Islam taught that the Christians and Jews were people of the book.

People of the book to be subjected. Am I supposed to be comforted by that? I am not a slave to Islam. Maybe you would be happy with that status.

And I was also under the impression that the current mess with Israel was because both the Israelis and Palestinians think they have rights to the Gaza strip.

The current mess is due to the fact that Jews are on Islamic land. This is religious issue as any land that has been conquered by Islam is forever Islamic territory. The fact that the Jews are on the land is an insult to their diminutive manhood.

 

[mikkyo]

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I'm honored. I've never met a real mind reader before.

I was alluding to the fact that you speak your mind whether you deny it or not. You have no qualms being anti-Muslim, so that proves you are ready to kill Muslims. In any case, it is obvious Jews, Muslims, and Christians share the same ideologies and that is why you all fight.

You interjected yourself into this discussion.

I have no problem in engaging in your discussion, but I will never be a part of this so-called "holy war". Before the world ends, it will only be evil forces fighting other evil forces. That is a good reason for the world to end anyway. It is too bad you cannot fathom this. Instead you senselessly aim your finger at others not having any clue of the circumstances involved in the past, present, and future.

That's very nice. Come back when you have something useful to add.

And you saying eradicating all Muslims is very useful? Maybe your actions should speak louder than your words. Why dont you go to Afghanistan or Iraq instead of wasting time here making cheap talk.

 

[GeratTzedek]

And you saying eradicating all Muslims is very useful? Maybe your actions should speak louder than your words. Why dont you go to Afghanistan or Iraq instead of wasting time here making cheap talk.

I don't remember Secundulus advocating the extermination of all Muslims. Please provide a link and quote. Otherwise this is slander.

 

[Secundulus]

And you saying eradicating all Muslims is very useful? Maybe your actions should speak louder than your words. Why dont you go to Afghanistan or Iraq instead of wasting time here making cheap talk.

The last weak argument of all those with no argument at all.

I spent 20 years in the U.S. Army. What have you done?

 

[GeratTzedek]

The current mess is due to the fact that Jews are on Islamic land. This is religious issue as any land that has been conquered by Islam is forever Islamic territory. The fact that the Jews are on the land is an insult to their diminutive manhood.

This is also correct. I learned about this in my university course on Islamic culture and religion, and not one Muslim in the room (and it was predominantly Muslim) denied it. Once a territory is taken for Islam, Muslims have a religious obligation to maintain it. The truth? The truth is they still talk about retaking Andalucia (Spain).

Occasionally you will hear devout Muslims speaking of Israel's right to exist, but when you get them to clarify, they mean exist as a non-Jewish state. They have no problems with the idea of an Islamic Israel.

 

[Vene]

That was not my intent.

People of the book to be subjected. Am I supposed to be comforted by that? I am not a slave to Islam. Maybe you would be happy with that status.

The current mess is due to the fact that Jews are on Islamic land. This is religious issue as any land that has been conquered by Islam is forever Islamic territory. The fact that the Jews are on the land is an insult to their diminutive manhood.

Meh, I'm an atheist, I'm a heathen to both Christians and Muslims.

 

[GeratTzedek]

The last weak argument of all those with no argument at all.

I spent 20 years in the U.S. Army. What have you done?

Thank you for your service.

 

[mikkyo]

The last weak argument of all those with no argument at all.

My viewpoints transcend superficial faith. That is it.

I spent 20 years in the U.S. Army. What have you done?

I am telling you go ahead, fight the holy war. That sword in your hand should be used for something, correct? In any case, I do not need false patriotism to boost my ego. I am content with my inner peace.

 

[mikkyo]

I don't remember Secundulus advocating the extermination of all Muslims. Please provide a link and quote.

Are you still talking to yourself? Just go to post 132.

Otherwise this is slander.

Oh o, now I am in big trouble.

 

[mikkyo]

Go away little man.

What is this, idle threats? Please act like your age.

I grow tired of your insults. I am always amused at the testosterone challenged slurs of those who tell me to go fight when I have already done so.

All I was saying is that your patriotism should be consistent with action, not empty words. Your not accomplishing anything here just merely talking about eradicating "amalkelites". I apologize though if I put a dent in your pride.

 

[CaDan]

I'm not "demonizing" anyone. I am pointing out the fact that evicting people and bulldozing the homes of terrorists is simply not morally equivilent to targeting babies for death.

The problem is that more people than just "terrorists" live in those houses. The problem is that an RPG fired into a house containing one "terrorist" is likely to kill a bunch of other people.

Hard choices.

I should remind you first, that I am NOT a Jew by birth, but by choice.

You have also claimed to be from a family of conversos. You have also claimed that Jewishness is indelible.

Second, I have already stated that there is a problem with Palestinian CULTURE passing on an ethic of excuse making, anti-semitism, and terrorism to each new generation. So you and I agree that had I been born Palestinian, I would likely have been so deeply enculturated into this that I would not be able to tell heads from tales.

How do we undo that culture? I submit that violence alone will not do it. There will always be a remnant who remembers. The cycle of vengeance must be broken.