The forum topic? "Is the fourth commandment done away with? "
Let's put the application of 'New heaven&earth' to the test.
Isaiah, chapter 66:1" Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: (Mathew 22:44, Hebrews 1:13 & 10:13, Acts 2:35 & 7:49)where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? (Hebrews 4:4,5)
2: For all those things hath mine hand made, and those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3: He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4: I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
5: Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6: A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7: Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8: Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9: Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10: Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
11: That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
12: For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
13: As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
14: And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.
15: For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with ALL FLESH: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17: They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE"S FLESH, and the abomination, and the mouse,(in New Earth)shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
18: For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather ALL NATIONS AND TONGUES; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19: And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20: And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
21: And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
22: For as the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23: And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall ALL FLESH come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24: And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. "
The New earth & heavens are often quoted in the NT
2Peter 3:11": Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
"12": Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
"13": Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
"14": Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
"15": And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
"16": As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
ROMANS 14:1": Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
"2": For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, EATETH HERBS. (this scripture is about vegetarians)
"3": Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
"4": Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
"5": One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. (Jesus instituted The Lord's supper on passover. This is not about The sabbath, this is about a day where there is confusion over the eating of flesh )
"6": He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
"7": For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
"8": For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
"9": For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
"10": But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
"11": For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. (Isaiah 66:23)
"12": So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
"13": Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
"14": I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
"15": But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
"16": Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
"17": For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. (This scripture is about a problemwith vegetarians)
"18": For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
"19": Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
"20": For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. (The 'strong' SHOULD give way)
"21": It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. (context? diet)
"22": Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
"23": And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. (Why test grace?)
Romans, chapter 15
"1": We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. (see?)
"2": Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
"3": For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
"4": For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. (Paul endorses OT as valuable for learning)
"5": Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
"6": That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
"7": Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
"8": Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
"9": And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
"10": And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
"11": And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
"12": And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust
AFTER endorsing the OT Paul quotes Isaiah chapter 42. Read it all, and note the chapter 66 type language here;
17: They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
18: Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19: Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?
20: Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21: The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW, AND MAKE IT HONOURABLE.
22: But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, RESTORE.
23: Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear FOR THE TIME TO COME?
24: Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto HIS LAW.
25: Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart."
