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well OK then.
I truly pray He richly blesses you.
Jay
I truly pray He richly blesses you.
Jay
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So an angel from heaven screaming at the top of His lungs is no warning to you?
Just thought the visual would help get your attention to re-read all the loud voiced angels in Revelation... and what each message is... because they seem to go together so well... "Get out, be not a partaker, don't worship the beast, worship the creator..." Run them all together and they give us the end time warnings.I wonder where "saying in a loud voice" suddenly became screaming at the top of his lungs?
hey ThomasDa,if Paul said every day was the same and that the Sabbaths were shadows of things to come,if if if etc. etc. etc.Heymikey80, IF? If a frog had wings, if a pig could fly if if if ect. ect.ect.
only thing I've read Jesus and his Apostles doing on a Sabbath was Teaching,Healing,and plucking grain.Paul is only mentioned teaching in the synagogues and teaching some others (in your passage) because he was leaving the next day.never saw the word "rest'.I keep the Sabbath the way Jesus, Paul, and the disciples did. I rest. Notice that they met on Sunday for fellowship, instruction, etc. The reason is that they rested on the sabbath. Why would Jesus do God's work on the sabbath if God himself was resting from all his work.The commanded assembly on the seventh day was an old covenant ordinance. There is no such ordinance in the new covenant. However all would have kept the old covenant laws while the temple and Levitical priesthood existed. This would have included traditional rituals as well.
- John 20:19
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.- Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
owg
probably not,but lets make sure.can you help me and find a verse in the NT that mentions Sabbath-breaking as sin?the NT mentions so many different sins specifically so I'm sure by your emphatic "NO!" answer you've seen a verse stating its a sin to break the SabbathIs the fourth commandment done away with?
NO!!!
That's fine, it still doesn't make the sabbath a commandment to the NT churchJust thought the visual would help get your attention to re-read all the loud voiced angels in Revelation... and what each message is... because they seem to go together so well... "Get out, be not a partaker, don't worship the beast, worship the creator..." Run them all together and they give us the end time warnings.
short n sweet(and true)....lolThat's fine, it still doesn't make the sabbath a commandment to the NT church
well I usually try to just get the point. lolshort n sweet(and true)....lol
You are correct. I misspoke a little there.only thing I've read Jesus and his Apostles doing on a Sabbath was Teaching,Healing,and plucking grain.Paul is only mentioned teaching in the synagogues and teaching some others (in your passage) because he was leaving the next day.never saw the word "rest'.
we assume they did but in Pauls case who knows,being he was the Apostle to the Gentiles,and became all things to all men.
you mention you observe the Sabbaths in the same way they did.....
Isaiah 56:You'll have to prove that the sabbath was recommanded to gentile believers and the NT church like the other 9 are.
You'll also have to reconcile your view with the verses that show us freedom regarding the issue.
Thank God for the cross, huh.Isaiah 56:
1 This is what the Lord says: "Maintain justice and do what is right, for my salvation is close at hand and my righteousness will soon be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man who does this, the man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil." 3 Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the Lord say, "The Lord will surely exclude me from his people." And let not any eunuch complain, "I am only a dry tree." 4 For this is what the Lord says: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant-- 5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off. 6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord to serve him, to love the name of the Lord, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant-- 7 these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations." 8 The Sovereign Lord declares-- he who gathers the exiles of Israel: "I will gather still others to them besides those already gathered."
your answer i think is the Best answer imaginable.You are correct. I misspoke a little there.
But my point is that the usual/traditional sabbath/synaguoge meetings only lasted while the Levitical priesthood was in force and the temple stood. Their destruction ended the ritual worship that included many traditional sabbath activities. That's why I ask the question, "What are the new covenant sabbath 'rules' for christians?" That the sabbath is still 'in force' implies that there are rules, rituals, and consequences for not observing it properly.
Jesus did reveal a new understanding of sabbath behavior. He seems to be treating it much like any other day; traveling, harvesting food, making himself available for good deeds, teaching, etc. His activities on that day were not constained by rituals or extraneous rules.
I too 'remember' the sabbath, but I don't attend a 'holy convocation', sacrifice animals, abstain from cooking, etc. It is 'holy' time that was sanctified for my benefit. I wasn't sanctified in order to fit into a particular pattern of behavior or action that are required on this day. On this day I am free from the world, my work, my problems, etc. God has given me the day off to rest, refresh, clear my mind, enjoy my life apart from worldly cares, and meditate on higher things.
Although not in a church group at present I would certainly like to fellowship on the sabbath with others believers, but not as a matter of 'law'.
owg
and then we might ask why after Christ was seated at Gods right hand side and the Church was learning the do's and donts whats sin and what is not sin,we were told that if one specific day is special to an individual it was special to him alone,if no day were held as special to another that was okay also because "every day is the same"The beautiful 'truth' is that one day we shall all stand before Him Who is The Truth and The Living Word.
I guess some of you will be in a hurry to ask Him why He said "REMEMBER" when realy He meant 'FORGET'? While you are at it, ask Him how come He got all confused and went and put an atonement commandment fair in the middle of the moral law. Oh yes!, one more question you might ask Him.
"Why did you make the sabbath/seventh day holy DURING creation week, BEFORE anyone had sinned when it is all about atonement? AND, why confuse diligent bible scholars by saying "for in six days The Lord created etc" when you did not really want us to 'remember' the seventh dayas a creation memorial anyway.
I reckon you will have Jesus really confused with those good questions. I can't wait to hear His answer. Can you?