Roman church errors and inventions

[TraderJack]

What about Canon 28 of the councel of Chalcedon?
which gave equal power to Rome and constantinople...

Canon 6 of Nicea established the equal jurisdiction of authority of the 4 metropolitans as well.

 

[Montalban]

Don't leave out the other major forgeries that along with the Donation of Constantine became the foundation of Roman Catholicism:

"The Thesaurus of Greek Fathers"---a total fraud

"The Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals"---a total fraud

"Liber Pontificalis"----likewise a fraud

Of course there are many, many more, so many in fact that at one point during the dark ages, prior to the schism in 1064AD, the Greeks refused to accept any documents from Rome, calling Rome a "forgery factory".

I have never heard of these. That's the great thing about these debates. And I'm not yet an 'old dog' so I can still be taught.

 

[TraderJack]

I have never heard of these. That's the great thing about these debates. And I'm not yet an 'old dog' so I can still be taught.

Most haven't. That's one reason I have brought them up.

"The Thesaurus of Greek Fathers" was most insidious, and had a major impact on Aquinas and the medieval asssertion of papal supremacy, by citing totally contrived quotes from Greek Fathers as if they were genuine, when they were total frauds of invention. Aquinas thought those forgeries to be genuine, and the entire development of Roman Catholicism is based on them, as well as some of the Gnostic forgeries that Rome accepted some teachings from, such as the immaculate conception and assumption of Mary.

I have one thread that lays out some of this in the OP on the Donation of Costantine and am preparing one on the "Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals". So, be on the lookout.

Here is the one on the Donation:

http://christianforums.com/t6857735

 

[TraderJack]

And I'm not yet an 'old dog' so I can still be taught.

Same here.

 

[lionroar0]

Then Rome should repent of it's doctrinal errors, admit the damage it has done to the Body of Christ and reounce everything I have listed so far.

I pray that Rome repent and come back into the Fold of Truth.

How sad that this is your responce to a fellow christian that is asking other fellow christians to come together in prayer in fellowship before God and others.

Peace

 

[E.C.]

One of the canons of Nicea also stated that no bishop shall intrude on another bishop's turf.

 

[E.C.]

Tell you what, the Greeks throw great wedding parties.

I have a long time client, and a good friend, a Greek lady who came here to the US after WWII as a teenager. As soon as the war was over and her family could come out of the cave they were living in, they came here.

First time we did a lot of work for her, she invited me to join them in their Paschal celebration at her house. It was a lot of fun, we dug a pit in the back, roasted a lamb on it while tossing down Uzo.

At her grand-daughter's wedding party held at her house, we did the same, and danced all day and into the night.

Greeks throw the best wedding parties I've ever been to.

I don't know...

The Russians have been known to throw some great ones.

 

[sunlover1]

I don't know...

The Russians have been known to throw some great ones.

That's nothing, I was raised polish catholic.
And I have a wedding coming up in April.
Par-T

 

[Rick Otto]

http://christianforums.com/t6870283-protestant-errors-and-inventions.html

Ok, what is sauce for the goose........List errors and inventions/traditions invented by the Papacy aka Roman catholicism.

One of mine would be the way Roman catholicism looks at the eucharist.

LLOJ [still waits on chopsticks]

1. Cotton instead of black leather cassocks & habits.
2. Batter frying instead of butter frying on Friday nights.
3. Allowing freedom of speech & religion.
4. Neglecting to canonize Mary Jo Kopeckne.
5. Apologizing for anything whatsoever.
6. Underfunding the Inquisitions
7. Neglecting Mary
8. Over veneration of Joseph
9. Not increasing the distance between clergy & laity.
10. Using chimes instead of flame-pots for mia culpas.
11. Not putting discount coupons for indulgences inthe confessionals.

I'm sure there's more, but I gotta burn my effigies before hittin' the hay.

 

[New_Wineskin]

http://christianforums.com/t6870283-protestant-errors-and-inventions.html

Ok, what is sauce for the goose........List errors and inventions/traditions invented by the Papacy aka Roman catholicism.

One of mine would be the way Roman catholicism looks at the eucharist.

LLOJ [still waits on chopsticks]

Far too many to add in a single post . However , you receive all of my blessings for starting the thread .

 

[squint]

1. Cotton instead of black leather cassocks & habits.
2. Batter frying instead of butter frying on Friday nights.
3. Allowing freedom of speech & religion.
4. Neglecting to canonize Mary Jo Kopeckne.
5. Apologizing for anything whatsoever.
6. Underfunding the Inquisitions
7. Neglecting Mary
8. Over veneration of Joseph
9. Not increasing the distance between clergy & laity.
10. Using chimes instead of flame-pots for mia culpas.
11. Not putting discount coupons for indulgences inthe confessionals.

I'm sure there's more, but I gotta burn my effigies before hittin' the hay.

I'm sure this could get to be quite an endless list of wranglings couldn't it?

HA!

 

[k2svpete]

Thank you.

For spreading lies about Catholicism.

The first christians were also persecuted in this way. People said that they were atheist and canibals.

Let me refer you to this thread.
http://christianforums.com/t6876729-thank-you-very-much.html


Peace

Oh, so it isn't of pagan origin to pray to the dead?

It isn't of pagan origin to have temple/churches dedicated to gods/saints?

It isn't an intermingling of pganism and Christianity to substitute worship of Babylonian gods with Mary and mary/child?

It isn't poor form to adopt rosary beads, an ancient pagan method of reciting prayers?

etc, etc. I could go on and on but the point has already been made.

 

[Thekla]

Oh, so it isn't of pagan origin to pray to the dead?

It isn't of pagan origin to have temple/churches dedicated to gods/saints?

It isn't an intermingling of pganism and Christianity to substitute worship of Babylonian gods with Mary and mary/child?

It isn't poor form to adopt rosary beads, an ancient pagan method of reciting prayers?

etc, etc. I could go on and on but the point has already been made.

has the source of the above "information" been provided ?

 

[lionroar0]

Oh, so it isn't of pagan origin to pray to the dead?

It isn't of pagan origin to have temple/churches dedicated to gods/saints?

It isn't an intermingling of pganism and Christianity to substitute worship of Babylonian gods with Mary and mary/child?

It isn't poor form to adopt rosary beads, an ancient pagan method of reciting prayers?

etc, etc. I could go on and on but the point has already been made.

Isn't a collection of sacred writtings an interminling of pagan and christian practice?

Aren't the names of the months of pagan origins?

Aren't the days of the weeks named after pagan gods?

Isn't worshipping a deity a pagan origin?

The point has been made but why bother?

Isn't western architecture based on pagan architecture?

Aren't forms of government a pagan invention?

Your logic is faulty and so are your conclusions based on faulty logic.

Because something preceded another it does not make them equal.

Peace

 

[Lilmissykato]

You cannot compair worshipping a goddess and venerating Mary. Two VERY different things.

 

[Rick Otto]

not so very

 

[jckstraw72]

yes so VERY

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Isn't a collection of sacred writtings an interminling of pagan and christian practice?

Aren't the names of the months of pagan origins?

Aren't the days of the weeks named after pagan gods?

Isn't worshipping a deity a pagan origin?

The point has been made but why bother?

Isn't western architecture based on pagan architecture?

Aren't forms of government a pagan invention?

Your logic is faulty and so are your conclusions based on faulty logic.

Because something preceded another it does not make them equal.

Peace

Well, remember our bro Paul was battling the same paganism when preaching the Gospel of God where as Peter I assume was battling the Judaizers who had also picked up some rather strange practices.
Someone sent me a link to this article concerning the "rapture" viewed by a lot of non-RC Christians and I found it rather interesting:

http://ourworld.cs.com/preteristabcs/id84.htm

Paul apparently knew, however, that this unique idea of “meeting in the air” would not bewilder the Thessalonian Christians, perhaps because this idea addressed misconceptions endemic to this Greek city's religious milieu.

The Thessalonian church was comprised primarily of Gentile converts from the pagan cults of Dionysus, Zeus, Asclepius, Aphrodite, Demeter, and perhaps most important, the cult of Cabirus.

They were converts from a social and religious milieu in which gods and demons were understood to have control over virtually all aspects of life. “Threatened by powers and demons, by illnesses and unforeseen strokes of fate, one lived in suspense and fear and felt subject to overpowering forces against which one could not assert oneself.”

 

[k2svpete]

You cannot compair worshipping a goddess and venerating Mary. Two VERY different things.

When you have the very same statue being used and just changing the name of it, what do you think? Sounds dodgy to me.

 

[k2svpete]

Isn't a collection of sacred writtings an interminling of pagan and christian practice?

Aren't the names of the months of pagan origins?

Aren't the days of the weeks named after pagan gods?

Isn't worshipping a deity a pagan origin?

The point has been made but why bother?

Isn't western architecture based on pagan architecture?

Aren't forms of government a pagan invention?

Your logic is faulty and so are your conclusions based on faulty logic.

Because something preceded another it does not make them equal.

Peace

When something pagan is renamed as something Christian, that is flat out wrong. There is no way around that, no matter how you try and justify it.

If you take a lion, give it a haircut and some colour and call it a tiger, is it still a lion? Bet you it is.

The reason why this was done is simple and sad. People who were in the Roman empire had grown up with worshipping various deities, many of which originated in Babylon. In order to placate the masses and make Christianity more palatable to them, there was an adoption of many of the pagan gods, rites and rituals into Christianity. It was largely a political move to make the empire more cohesive and a move by some who 'couldn't see the harm' in making compromises to get more people through the door.

God doesn't compromise.