Roman church errors and inventions

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:scratch: Hmmmmm, let me think on that one..................................................................................................
Ok, take your time bro. :thumbsup:
 
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Still thinking :scratch: ...........................................................................................................................................................................................
Ok........
 
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Inventions:
-Infallability of the Pope
-Papal supremacy
-Immaculate coneption
-purgatory
Errors:
-Vatican I and II(not the councells but their decisions....although II was worse than I)
-indulgencies
-crusades
-Vatican City.... (never should have been a "seperate state"but goes hand in hand with the Papal supreority)
 
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The expression "from the Father through the Son" is accepted by many Eastern Orthodox. This, in fact, led to a reunion of the Eastern Orthodox with the Catholic Church in 1439 at the Council of Florence: "The Greek prelates believed that every saint, precisely as a saint, was inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore could not err in faith. If they expressed themselves differently, their meanings must substantially agree. . . . Once the Greeks accepted that the Latin Fathers had really written Filioque (they could not understand Latin), the issue was settled (May 29). The Greek Fathers necessarily meant the same; the faiths of the two churches were identical; union was not only possible but obligatory (June 3); and on June 8 the Latin cedula [statements of belief] on the procession [of the Spirit] was accepted by the Greek synod" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 5:972–3).

Unfortunately, the union did not last. In the 1450s (just decades before the Protestant Reformation), the Eastern Orthodox left the Church again under pressure from the Muslims, who had just conquered them and who insisted they renounce their union with the Western Church (lest Western Christians come to their aid militarily).

However, union is still possible on the filioque issue through the recognition that the formulas "and the Son" and "through the Son" mean the same thing. Thus the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that "This legitimate complementarity [of expressions], provided it does not become rigid, does not affect the identity of faith in the reality of the same mystery confessed" (CCC 248).

Today many Eastern Orthodox bishops are putting aside old prejudices and again acknowledging that there need be no separation between the two communions on this issue. Eastern Orthodox Bishop Kallistos Ware (formerly Timothy Ware), who once adamantly opposed the filioque doctrine, states: "The filioque controversy which has separated us for so many centuries is more than a mere technicality, but it is not insoluble. Qualifying the firm position taken when I wrote [my book] The Orthodox Church twenty years ago, I now believe, after further study, that the problem is more in the area of semantics and different emphases than in any basic doctrinal differences" (Diakonia, quoted from Elias Zoghby’s A Voice from the Byzantine East, 43).
(source):
http://www.catholic.com/library/filioque.asp
Immaculate Conception
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGfx1Qqs8BI
 
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Well isn't this a fun thread. :|
Nah. Most of the fun threads are on the GA board ^_^
Also, you don't see U-tube links every other post like ya do here. :)
 
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Nah. Most of the fun threads are on the GA board ^_^
Also, you don't see U-tube links every other post like ya do here. :)
GA threads ae as fun as Dispensationalist threads and KJV-only threads.
 
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The expression "from the Father through the Son" is accepted by many Eastern Orthodox. This, in fact, led to a reunion of the Eastern Orthodox with the Catholic Church in 1439 at the Council of Florence: "The Greek prelates believed that every saint, precisely as a saint, was inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore could not err in faith. If they expressed themselves differently, their meanings must substantially agree. . . . Once the Greeks accepted that the Latin Fathers had really written Filioque (they could not understand Latin), the issue was settled (May 29). The Greek Fathers necessarily meant the same; the faiths of the two churches were identical; union was not only possible but obligatory (June 3); and on June 8 the Latin cedula [statements of belief] on the procession [of the Spirit] was accepted by the Greek synod" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 5:972–3).
The Eastern Catholics are not Orthodox, but Eastern Catholics.

Besides, Florence was hardly upheld in most areas, not so much due to Muslims and whatever ideas they had, but because the people knew that union, at the time, was not good for Orthodoxy.


Today many Eastern Orthodox bishops are putting aside old prejudices and again acknowledging that there need be no separation between the two communions on this issue. Eastern Orthodox Bishop Kallistos Ware (formerly Timothy Ware), who once adamantly opposed the filioque doctrine, states: "The filioque controversy which has separated us for so many centuries is more than a mere technicality, but it is not insoluble. Qualifying the firm position taken when I wrote [my book] The Orthodox Church twenty years ago, I now believe, after further study, that the problem is more in the area of semantics and different emphases than in any basic doctrinal differences" (Diakonia, quoted from Elias Zoghby’s A Voice from the Byzantine East, 43).
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Does not mean that Metropolitan Kallistos supports the Filioque. Its like the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon when the Oriental Orthodox split away: technicality and linguistics.

But above many things, the main cause is the fact that the pope of Rome changed things without the approval of an Ecumenical Council. He added the word which went against the first canon from the Ecumenical Council of Constantinople I in 381:
The profession of faith of the holy fathers who gathered in Nicaea in Bithynia is not to be abrogated, but it is to remain in force.(part of the first article)
Abrogated: to put an end to.

When the pope added the Filioque, he essentially put an end to the Creed that was agreed upon in Nicea and Constantinople; both of which never had the Filioque in the Creed.

As for Immaculate Conception, to say that the Theotokos could be born without the possibility to sin is to say that she is not human. We Orthodox believe that she could have sinned, yet lived a sinless life. Besides, this dogma was never agreed upon by the entire Church, not just Rome, before the Schism.
 
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There are a few political bits that I could touch up on...

However, one of your popes apologized for crimes, in the times I'm thinking of, that were made in the name of Catholicism.


But, just for kicks and because of the after effects we still see...

Crusades.
 
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