Question time. Jesus returns before or after 1000yrs

[zeke37]

ooooooops, I said 12, meant 24......


multiples ...lol.

 

[LLWHA]

goodness gracious!

Did you even bother to read the scriptural reference I gave?

Are you saying that the scriptures are wrong?

Where is your scriptural reference? There isn't any to support your claim that I am aware of!

The scriptures plainly state that Jesus is ruler over the kings of the earth in the PRESENT TENSE. . . that means now . . not future . . now!

Yes.
No where did it say what you are stating. imho


Gods system of government is being used by NO Nation on this earth.

All governments are using some form of satans systems. Demon-crazy (democracy) capitalism, communism, socialism or dictators.

These are all anti-God and Christ wants nothing to do with this evil.

Christ and Gods perfect system of government are not being used on this earth and Christ is not running satans evil government systems.

There has been a power struggle going on for centuries between those God Loves and those God Hates. God loves Jacob (Israel) and Hates Esau who wanted to murder Jacob.

The sons of Esau are the fake Jews that have enslaved the world with satans politics and usury they have the dominion as Isaac said would happen.

1:1 The burden of the Word of the "I AM" to Israel by Malachi.
1:2 I have loved you, saith the "I AM". Yet ye say, Wherein hast Thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the "I AM": yet I loved Jacob,
1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
1:4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the "I AM" hath indignation for ever.

Rev.3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but do LIE (Idumeans); behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


Enoch 88:17 Then a white cow was born in the midst of them (Abraham).
88:18 And they began to bite each other; when the white cow, which was born in the midst of them, brought forth a wild ass and a white cow at the same time (Ishmael and Isaac) and after that many wild asses (Keturah's children). Then a white cow, which was born, brought forth a black wild sow (Esau/Edom/Idumean) and a white sheep (Jacob/Israel).
88:19 That wild sow (Esau) also brought forth many swine;
88:20 And that white sheep (Jacob/Israel) brought forth twelve sheep (sons, who fathered the Twelve Tribes of Israel - The Shepherd's flock - Gen. 49:24; Eze. 34; John 10:11).
88:21 When those twelve sheep grew up, they delivered one of them to the asses (Ishmaelites - Gen. 37:25-28).
88:22 Again those asses delivered that sheep (Joseph) to the wolves (Gen. 37:36);
88:23 And he grew up in the midst of them.
88:24 Then the Lord brought the eleven other sheep, that they might dwell and feed with him in the midst of the wolves (Egyptians).
88:25 They multiplied, and there was abundance of pasture for them

Genesis 25:28 And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of [his] venison: but Rebekah loved Jacob.

25:29 And Jacob sod pottage (soup): and Esau came from the field, and he [was] faint:
25:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red [pottage]; for I [am] faint: therefore was his name called Edom (red soup).
25:31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright.
25:32 And Esau said, Behold, I [am] at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me?

25:33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.
25:34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised [his] birthright.

26:34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:
26:35 Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.




27:34 And when Esau heard the words of his father, he cried with a great and exceeding bitter cry, and said unto his father, Bless me, [even] me also, O my father.
27:35 And he said, Thy brother came with subtilty, and hath taken away thy blessing.
27:36 And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me?

27:40 And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.
27:41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.


Jeremiah 11:9 And the "I AM" said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
11:10 They are turned back to the inequities of their forefathers, which refused to hear My words; and they went after other gods (House of lords, politicians) to serve them: the House of Israel and the House of Judah have broken My Covenant which I made with their fathers.

Ezekiel 22:25 [There is] a conspiracy of her prophets (politicians) in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
22:26 Her priests have violated My Law, and have profaned Mine Holy things: they have put no difference between the Holy and profane, neither have they showed [difference] between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from My Sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
22:27 Her princes in the midst thereof [are] like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, [and] to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
22:28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered [morter], seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord "I AM", when the "I AM" hath not spoken.
22:29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.

Mankind has chosen's satans lies, banking system, satans government (Egypt= slaver under man made laws) systems, satans churches, idols, and satans diet etc.

Christ is not running that mess!!

True followers of Christ are fighting to end satans systems.

 

[zeke37]

Now working from the information about John's conception late in the third month, Sivan, and advancing six months, we arrive late in the 9th month of Kislev (Nov-Dec) for the time frame for the conception of Jesus. It is notable here that the first day of the Jewish festival of Hanukkah, the Festival of Lights, is celebrated on the 25th day of Kislev, and Jesus is called the light of the world (John 8:12, 9:5, 12:46). This does not appear to be a mere coincidence. In the book of John, Hanukkah is called the feast of dedication (John 10:22). Hanukkah is an eight day festival, celebrating the relighting of the menorah in the rededicated Temple, which according to the story, stayed lit miraculously for eight days on only one day's supply of oil.

as I said, ooooops, I mistakenly wrote 12, should have been 24...(lol, I have studied too!)

and I incorrectly said that Zac was in the Holiest of Holies, and he was not as you know...he was burning incense...so thank-you for the correction(s)....(surprised that I made them personally....mind you it was based on recollection...I should have actually re-read the passage)

as for the calculations.....

there are 2 courses of Abia(Abijah) per year, 6 months apart....one date would have Christ born in the first month...(End of March) the other date would have His birth in Late Sept.

the math is relatively simple....choosing which 1 of the 2 courses of Abia Zac was serving, is really only possible by the description of Messiah's birth...the flocks and crops would have been in the field during Sept, but not during March...therefor, Christ was born in Late Sept.

in His service
c

 

[visionary]

as I said, ooooops, I mistakenly wrote 12, should have been 24...(lol, I have studied too!)

and I incorrectly said that Zac was in the Holiest of Holies, and he was not as you know...he was burning incense...so thank-you for the correction(s)....(surprised that I made them personally....mind you it was based on recollection...I should have actually re-read the passage)

as for the calculations.....

there are 2 courses of Abia(Abijah) per year, 6 months apart....one date would have Christ born in the first month...(End of March) the other date would have His birth in Late Sept.

the math is relatively simple....choosing which 1 of the 2 courses of Abia Zac was serving, is really only possible by the description of Messiah's birth...the flocks and crops would have been in the field during Sept, but not during March...therefor, Christ was born in Late Sept.

in His service
c

Yes... as they say... He tabernacled with us.. Born on the feast of tabernacles would make sense.

It is also interesting to note the Tabernacles was a feast of ingathering of the Harvest (Exo 23:16 and 34:22). If Jesus' first coming was indeed on 15 Tishri, the first day of Tabernacles, then it is quite reasonable to presume that the harvest of this earth, the ingathering of the second coming of Jesus Christ, will also occur on precisely the same date. The unknown factor would be the year that this would happen.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes... as they say... He tabernacled with us.. Born on the feast of tabernacles would make sense.

It is also interesting to note the Tabernacles was a feast of ingathering of the Harvest (Exo 23:16 and 34:22). If Jesus' first coming was indeed on 15 Tishri, the first day of Tabernacles, then it is quite reasonable to presume that the harvest of this earth, the ingathering of the second coming of Jesus Christ, will also occur on precisely the same date. The unknown factor would be the year that this would happen.

Hi visionary. That is all very nice and everything, but the 1 billion member Roman church says they are in the Millinneum.
Is that Scripturally possible.

http://christianforums.com/t6823406-question-on-reve-1911.html
Question on Reve 19:11

Chapter 20 Verse 4-5 Deals with Christ's Established Church that refussed to follow the beast. This was all done when Rome converted to Christianity and the 1000 years began.

 

[visionary]

Hi visionary. That is all very nice and everything, but the 1 billion member Roman church says they are in the Millinneum.
Is that Scripturally possible.

http://christianforums.com/t6823406-question-on-reve-1911.html
Question on Reve 19:11

Chapter 20 Verse 4-5 Deals with Christ's Established Church that refussed to follow the beast. This was all done when Rome converted to Christianity and the 1000 years began.

If they want to think this is a millinium [2000 years worth] they can... I don't see it as so. Lions and lambs do not lay down together.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Anybody ever looked into jubilees?

Gen 6:3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.”



120 jubilees is 6000 years.

120 x 50 = 6000


And then what? A Sabbath rest.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Hi visionary. That is all very nice and everything, but the 1 billion member Roman church says they are in the Millinneum.
Is that Scripturally possible.

http://christianforums.com/t6823406-question-on-reve-1911.html
Question on Reve 19:11

Chapter 20 Verse 4-5 Deals with Christ's Established Church that refussed to follow the beast. This was all done when Rome converted to Christianity and the 1000 years began.

I do not know about this "Millinneum" thing???

I can say that the RCC teaches we are already in the Great Tribulation. But the RCC gives no doctrine on any 1000 year period. I wonder if you are mincing words???

 

[Ben12]

Praise God for our Jewish or I rather use the Word Israelite brothers; actually when you say the word Jew I have come to the conclusion you are also speaking of the tribe of Benjamin also. So much of the OT is used in NT as for example for us. So often NT writers would use the OT as a foundation point for what they were saying.

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

But David and his Tabernacle/Tent are a very important typology when it comes to the Temple of God with in us. I will also agree the booth; in the Feast of Booths is also; but it is so easy for me to get side tracked.

I am going to move over to Acts for this my favorite verse in scripture; but first I want to ask; what is David’s Tabernacle to you?

Acts 15:16​

After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.​

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Acts 15: 16-17 (NAS) ​

'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return,
AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS,
AND I WILL RESTORE IT, SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'​

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Acts 15: 16 (HCSB) ​

After these things I will return and will rebuild David's tent, which has fallen down. I will rebuild its ruins and will set it up again, 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord—even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things, 18 which have been known from long ago.​

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Acts 15 16 (NIRV) ​

" 'After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent.
I will rebuild what was destroyed. I will make it what it used to be. 17 Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.'​

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[Ben12]

Anybody ever looked into jubilees?

Gen 6:3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.”



120 jubilees is 6000 years.

120 x 50 = 6000


And then what? A Sabbath rest.

I have written and Illustrated a Children's Book and I am hoping it will be published soon called the "Year of Jubilee". This is another awesome exsample of OT symbolism. I will try to paste a sample drawing but for some reason I cannot. Here is my web page and the drawing is the first picture second roll.


http://www2.childrensillustrators.com/illustrator.cgi/George

 

[Markea]

I do not know about this "Millinneum" thing???

I can say that the RCC teaches we are already in the Great Tribulation. But the RCC gives no doctrine on any 1000 year period. I wonder if you are mincing words???

How do you knows that the RCC teaches that we are in the great tribulation..? ie.. what are you basing that statement upon..?

 

[Ben12]

Take the Tabernacle of David; here was a small tent where the Ark of God was brought to Mount Zion/Sion; how many times is this name mentioned in the NT. Zion was mentioned 152 times in OT; where Sion was mention 7 times in NT; sure this was David’s home Solomon etc; but is also a symbolism.

Zion was the natural home of King David who is a type of Christ in Natural Jerusalem. Mt Zion was the head of natural Kingdom; just as Spiritual Mt Zion is the Spiritual high place of Christ in the book of Revelation. David did not need to go to a priest; let alone a high priest to visit the Ark (or the glory of God) it was in a tent or tabernacle on his back porch at Mt Zion. This is a beautiful type which tells us myriads of what God is tying to tell us in the Spirit of the Word.

David was king; He was God’s anointed King; not like Saul who was also anointed by God; but chosen by the people; like many ministries in the church (little c) realm today. David was one of those special people God called, anointed and was one after God’s own heart. David lived in Jerusalem and Mount Zion (Sion); That is where the earthly anointed King lived and all His court; what a wonderful type of the ruler ship of the spiritual Mount Zion.

When David brought the Ark back to Mount Zion he wore an linen ephod, (In other word’s a priestly garment) David also offered burnt offerings to God as the High priest would on the Feast of Tabernacles. There was no high Priest; once a year at the Feast of Atonement at Zion; but David was an example of both King and Priest in that the Ark was not at Shiloh but Zion. No outer court, no holy place, no Levitical order. It is no wonder the Bible is full of pages written by David because of the influence of God’s Ark at Zion.

2 Samuel 6:​

14And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.​

17And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD​

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There is so much more on this subject; using all the different examples and Temples/Tabernacles that point to the reality of God’s Spiritual Church today.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Anybody ever looked into jubilees?

Gen 6:3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.”



120 jubilees is 6000 years.

120 x 50 = 6000


And then what? A Sabbath rest.

flood happened ...

next time the Holy spirit leaves .... wrath of God will come down... 2 thes 2:7

 

[A Brother In Christ]

lets look at scripture...

rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels [messengers/bishops] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

literal ... but some people make it hard

as I did just shortly ago....

I answer ben12 ... with a literal interpetation

silence.... naturally

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

flood happened ...

next time the Holy spirit leaves .... wrath of God will come down... 2 thes 2:7

The Roman church says that is a past event. Has this happend yet?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

2 Thess 2:3 No any ye should be deluding according to no yet one manner/way, that if-ever no may be coming the apostasy/apostasia <646> first.
And may be being un-covered the Man of the Sin, the Son of the destruction/apwleiaV <684>.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

The Roman church says that is a past event. Has this happend yet?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

2 Thess 2:3 No any ye should be deluding according to no yet one manner/way, that if-ever no may be coming the apostasy/apostasia <646> first.
And may be being un-covered the Man of the Sin, the Son of the destruction/apwleiaV <684>.

this is a greek word printed in english ... not translated

the verb form of this word is how one get a translation....

these are 10 verses dealing with the verb form...
Luke 2:37
luke 4:13
luke 13:27
acts 12:10
acts 15:38
acts 19:9
acts 22:29
2 cor 12:8
2 tim 2:19
heb 3:12
1 tim 4:1

all these verses translate the verb form of apostasia to depart

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

this is a greek word printed in english ... not translated

the verb form of this word is how one get a translation....

these are 10 verses dealing with the verb

all these verses translate the verb form of apostasia to depart

Another words, departed from the Faith that is of JESUS?

http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/lazarus.htm

Luke 16:26 And on all of these, between Us [NC Faith/Life/Spirit] and Ye [OC Law/Death/Flesh] a great chasm/casma <5490> hath been established, so that those willing to cross-over/diabhnai <1224> (5629) hence toward ye not be able to, no yet thence toward us may be ferrying/diaperwsin <1276>.

Hebrews 11:29 By Faith They crossed-over/diebhsan <1224> (5627) the Red Sea as thru Dry: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

departed from earth ....

no one can jump from God's hand

 

[zeke37]

Yes... as they say... He tabernacled with us.. Born on the feast of tabernacles would make sense.

It is also interesting to note the Tabernacles was a feast of ingathering of the Harvest (Exo 23:16 and 34:22). If Jesus' first coming was indeed on 15 Tishri, the first day of Tabernacles, then it is quite reasonable to presume that the harvest of this earth, the ingathering of the second coming of Jesus Christ, will also occur on precisely the same date. The unknown factor would be the year that this would happen.

I also find it remarkable that we are told of the Locust army in Joel 2 and Rev9. Satan leads this army as stated in Rev9, and it is for 5 months....(what I believe the time has been shortened to for the elect's sake).

and the actual season of the locust on earth today is app. 5 months, running from May-Sept.

Another amazing portion is that the flood of Noah's days (a type for us) is the same length of time, 5 months, and incredibly, we can calculate the time of year that is...guess when? May-Sept.

IMO, the flood of lies that comes from the Dragon, is May through Sept...(Jacob's trouble).

the 10 earthly kings rule for the first half, and then Satan's generals (angels) make a dramatic entrance with Satan, for all to see(emulating Christ's return) and take over for the remainder.

thoughts?


in His service
c

 

[Ben12]

I answer ben12 ... with a literal interpetation

silence.... naturally

I thing you need to go back and read my comments; and if you have any more questions please ask away. But at the same time when asking me a question give me enough details so I can understand where you are coming from?