Scientist 'Artic is Screaming'

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I've been trying to tell global warming alarmists the same thing for years. Thanks for pointing out the OBVIOUS HARD SCIENCE of the matter.

You noticed the second part, where not all ice is floating on water? The stuff on land is what's dangerous.

There's enough ice stored on Greenland and Antarctica to raise ocean levels by well over 300 feet. That's certainly not the end of the world, its happened before. But it is the end of a heck of a lot of the cities on earth.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Ocean levels will rise when ice on land melts, because that was not in the ocean to begin with. Greenland and Antarctica. That's ice sitting on land. When that goes, sea levels will rise.

The good news is that numerous peer-reviewed scientific studies confirm that the global warming alarmist claim that "Greenland is rapidly heating up, and all the ice is melting"---is simply a lot of hot air!

"16) A July 2007 analysis of peer-reviewed literature thoroughly debunks fears of Greenland and the Arctic melting and predictions of a frightening sea level rise.

Excerpt: "Research in 2006 found that Greenland has been warming since the 1880’s, but since 1955, temperature averages at Greenland stations have been colder than the period between 1881-1955. A 2006 study found Greenland has cooled since the 1930's and 1940's, with 1941 being the warmest year on record.

Another 2006 study concluded Greenland was as warm or warmer in the 1930’s and 40’s and the rate of warming from 1920-1930 was about 50% higher than the warming from 1995-2005.

One 2005 study found Greenland gaining ice in the interior higher elevations and thinning ice at the lower elevations. In addition, the often media promoted fears of Greenland’s ice completely melting and a subsequent catastrophic sea level rise are directly at odds with the latest scientific studies." [See July 30, 2007 Report - Latest Scientific Studies Refute Fears of Greenland Melt – (LINK) ] "

 

[Christian Soldier]

You noticed the second part, where not all ice is floating on water? The stuff on land is what's dangerous.

Yes, I noticed that.

I also know that numerous peer-reviewed scientific studies show NO credible evidence that a substantial level of ice in Greenland and Antarctica is melting. There is NOT a dangerous level of warming in either region, if any at all.

In fact, in some places in Greenland, the amount of ice is INCREASING.

The Al Gorian myth of ecological apocalypse just isn't going to happen.

 

[Christian Soldier]

There's enough ice stored on Greenland and Antarctica to raise ocean levels by well over 300 feet. That's certainly not the end of the world, its happened before. But it is the end of a heck of a lot of the cities on earth.

There's no credible scientific evidence that any substantial amount of ice is melting in either region. The average temperature in Greenland is currently cooler than it was over half a century ago.

 

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Sigh

I did a quick google of my own and found several hundred links that say the opposite, but what's the point? You won't read them, I didn't read yours. Both sides are pretty entrenched in their outlook.

So let me put it back to simple, basic science again.

A major point of your cited articles is the thickening of the ice cap on Greenland. Absolutely, that's happening. I first heard it predicted by global warming 'alarmists' in the 1980's. That this would be a symptom. Seems kind of counterintuitive though, doesn't it? How can the world warming make more ice in the center of greenland?

Its actually so simple most folks give themselves a good forehead smack when they hear it. The edges of the ice sheet are melting because of a warming world. The center is nice and cold (for now). So what does a warmer world mean? More evaporation. What does more evaporation mean? More precipitation. What is precipitation when it falls on a cold are? Snow. So a warmer world means more snowfall in cold areas. So the center of the icesheet thickens.

But the edges are still melting away. The area of the ice sheet is being reduced by hundreds of square miles a year. And that will reach into the thickening areas, and it will all vanish. The increased snowfall will continue to fall every winter, but will melt every summer.

This is not science fiction. Glaciers once covered most of north america. They're gone now. How crazy is it to think that a tiny remnant of the last ice age could vanish too?

 

[SaintMycall]

First of all, to the person who asks why New York and Florida aren't underwater yet, let me remind you that the world is much bigger than just the USA.

And to answer zoziw's question, yes there is a lot underwater in Tuvalu, in the Pacific. But there is more

Sightings of Icebergs are more common now in this part of the world (New Zealand) than ever before, and the glaciers on our mountains, as well as the glaciers in the Kilimanjaro and the glaciers in mount Cotopaxi, in Ecuador (I'm originally from Ec.) are getting smaller and that is not just hearsay. But that is not the point...

It doesn't matter if Gore is lying. In Genesis 2 God puts man in the garden of Eden to take care of it, but since mans fall, we have done nothing but destroy it. It's just part of the consequences of a fallen humanity.

As a sign of respect for the Creator, the least we could do is take good care of HIS world.

I have more to say, but don't have the time right now, but i'll be back in the next couple of days. gotta go...

 

[Christian Soldier]

"A June 6, 2006 peer-reviewed study published in Journal of Geophysical Research concluded: “The warmest year in the extended Greenland temperature record is 1941, while the 1930s and 1940s are the warmest decades.” The paper, entitled “Extending Greenland temperature records into the late 18th century,” was authored by B. Vinther, K. Andersen, P. Jones, K. Briffa, and J. Cappelen. The report examined temperature data from Greenland going back to 1784. (LINK) & (LINK) & (LINK)"

 

[Christian Soldier]

"Prominent scientist Professor Nils-Axel Morner, declared "the rapid rise in sea levels predicted by computer models simply cannot happen." Morner, a leading world authority on sea levels and coastal erosion who headed the Department of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics at Stockholm University, noted on August 6, 2007: "When we were coming out of the last ice age, huge ice sheets were melting rapidly and the sea level rose at an average of one meter per century. If the Greenland ice sheet started to melt at the same rate - which is unlikely - sea level would rise by less than 100 mm - 4 inches per century." Morner, who was president of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution from 1999 to 2003, has published a new booklet entitled "The Greatest Lie Ever Told," to refute claims of catastrophic sea level rise. (LINK)"

 

[Christian Soldier]

"Ivy League geologist Dr. Robert Giegengack of the University of Pennsylvania rejected fears of a catastrophic 20 foot sea level rise. "Sea level is rising," Giegengack said, but it's been rising ever since warming set in 18,000 years ago, he explained according to a February 2007 article in Philadelphia Magazine. But the Earth's global ocean level is only going up 1.8 millimeters per year -- less than the thickness of one nickel, Giegengack further explained. “At the present rate of sea-level rise it’s going to take 3,500 years to get up there (to a rise of 20 feet) So if for some reason this warming process that melts ice is cutting loose and accelerating, sea level doesn’t know it. And sea level, we think, is the best indicator of global warming," he said. (LINK) Giegengack also noted that the history of the last one billion years on the planet reveals "only about 5% of that time has been characterized by conditions on Earth that were so cold that the poles could support masses of permanent ice." (LINK)"

 

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I guess its bedtime, this is pointless. You can't even speak for yourself, you cut and paste. Any idea how many threads I could fill up with cut and pastes by the 'alarmists'?

I tried to get through to you with the basics in my own words. You are unable to respond in kind. Maybe a light bulb will go off with someone else who reads this thread. Maybe.

 

[chaim]

This is pretty pathetic Christian Soldier - you clearly figured out how to use the cut and paste button on your computer. Howvere if want to read the entire EPW blog we will go read it our selves. You don't have to post it in every single thread. Now how about in stead of posting uncited drivel you actually provide some of your own insite? If the greenland ice sheet is not melting - why is it that the mass balance is negative? (I warn you that is a link to actual research and not a blog).

PS Which is it, is the earth 6000-10000 years old or 18000 years old?

"Ivy League geologist Dr. Robert Giegengack of the University of Pennsylvania rejected fears of a catastrophic 20 foot sea level rise. "Sea level is rising," Giegengack said, but it's been rising ever since warming set in 18,000 years ago, he explained according to a February 2007 article in Philadelphia Magazine. But the Earth's global ocean level is only going up 1.8 millimeters per year -- less than the thickness of one nickel, Giegengack further explained. “At the present rate of sea-level rise it’s going to take 3,500 years to get up there (to a rise of 20 feet) So if for some reason this warming process that melts ice is cutting loose and accelerating, sea level doesn’t know it. And sea level, we think, is the best indicator of global warming," he said. (LINK) Giegengack also noted that the history of the last one billion years on the planet reveals "only about 5% of that time has been characterized by conditions on Earth that were so cold that the poles could support masses of permanent ice." (LINK)"

 

[horuhe00]

I've seen a few alarmists ...

Well, there's your problem! Alarmists, not scientists. And few at that!

 

[horuhe00]

Google "Warming Island" in Greenland, if any of you are bored.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I guess its bedtime, this is pointless. You can't even speak for yourself, you cut and paste. Any idea how many threads I could fill up with cut and pastes by the 'alarmists'?

I make no claim to being an atmospheric scientist. So I rely on the peer-reviewed studies of internationally respected atmospheric scientists. That's simple common sense.

I tried to get through to you with the basics in my own words. You are unable to respond in kind. Maybe a light bulb will go off with someone else who reads this thread. Maybe.

You're quite obviously not an atmospheric scientist. So why should I be interested in "the basics" in your "own words"?! Over the last few weeks, I've posted the peer-reviewed scientific studies of internationally respected atmospheric scientists, who completely reject your alarmist opinions. I'll take their scientific findings over your non-expert and undocumented statements any day.

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Originally Posted by Avatar
I guess its bedtime, this is pointless. You can't even speak for yourself, you cut and paste. Any idea how many threads I could fill up with cut and pastes by the 'alarmists'?

I make no claim to being an atmospheric scientist. So I rely on the peer-reviewed studies of internationally respected atmospheric scientists. That's simple common sense.

I tried to get through to you with the basics in my own words. You are unable to respond in kind. Maybe a light bulb will go off with someone else who reads this thread. Maybe.

You're quite obviously not an atmospheric scientist. So why should I be interested in "the basics" in your "own words"?! Over the last few weeks, I've posted the peer-reviewed scientific studies of internationally respected atmospheric scientists, who completely reject your alarmist opinions. I'll take their scientific findings over your non-expert and undocumented statements any day.

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You need to do a quick edit of that post so your words no longer appear to be mine.

 

[Christian Soldier]

This is pretty pathetic Christian Soldier - you clearly figured out how to use the cut and paste button on your computer. Howvere if want to read the entire EPW blog we will go read it our selves. You don't have to post it in every single thread. Now how about in stead of posting uncited drivel you actually provide some of your own insite? If the greenland ice sheet is not melting - why is it that the mass balance is negative? (I warn you that is a link to actual research and not a blog). PS Which is it, is the earth 6000-10000 years old or 18000 years old?

What's TRULY pathetic, is the total inability of global warming alarmists to refute even ONE of the peer-reviewed scientific studies I've linked to. The chicken little hypotheses of the alarmists are just a lot of hot air.

 

[Ave Maria]

These climate prophets of doom really get on my nerves. We're not going anywhere any time soon. So everyone, just quit worrying so much! Sure it might be prudent to take some actions to reduce toxic emissions via automobiles and such but this is not the time to panic.

 

[MethodMan]

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