We are not to hurt anyone for any reason.

[Giver]

Are you kidding me?! How cna honestly spout such pure rubbish in light of the shootings yesterday?! You twisting of Scripture and cowardly doctrine that you have built is saddening.

Did Jesus have any Christian with guns there stopping the killer? No! the world took care of there own.

 

[GenemZ]

What do you do with Luke 22:36?

This is what you do. You show what it says!

So, everyone here can know.....

"And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. "​

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Then, you sit back.

Fasten your seatbelt..

(so, the spin won't make you dizzy)...

Grace and peace, GeneZ


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[HisKid1973]

This is interesting..

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14817480/detail.html

 

[GenemZ]

Did Jesus have any Christian with guns there stopping the killer? No! the world took care of there own.

In Colorado, Sunday.. New Life church.. the church being fired upon .. the killer shot dead.

Many more would have died if the woman guard in the congregation had not acted quickly. She is a hero.



In Christ, GeneZ



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[A. believer]

Someone who is living the Word of God would never be in a position to shoot a mad man on a killing spree. A person living the word of God would normally not carry a weapon. I know they might be hunting animals, but Jesus would not, unless he gave the person much, much grace, place one of his in a position like that. It is the world’s job to take care of situations like what you described. Remember a Christian is not of the world. God would never place one of his in a situation that would be beyond their ability to resist. Christians are to obey God no matter what. Jesus will always give them the grace to live his Word.

Right. When I posted that last post, I didn't even know about the guard who killed the gunman during the shootings at the church in Colorado Springs. This woman who professes faith in Christ and gives all the credit and glory to God for her act of savings untold numbers of lives by shooting the gunman, we know, is not really a Christian at all. The fact that God used her in this way proves that she has no part with Him. Unbelievable!

 

[sunlover1]

Jesus personally told me that we were not to hurt anyone for any reason.

The written Word of God tells us the same thing.

(Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

When God tells us something it is very dangerous to ignore what he says. Right?

I was thinking about you today Giver.
I was thinking about hearing God. And about why some
hear God better than others, and you came to mind.
I thought, "is it just favor"?
No, that cant be it, is it time spent in prayer?
No.
I think it's obedience.
If we hear and OBEY, we will hear more and more.
If we disregard, why would he keep speaking?

That's my take anyhow

In Colorado, Sunday.. New Life church.. the church being fired upon .. the killer shot dead.

Many more would have died if the woman guard in the congregation had not acted quickly. She is a hero.



In Christ, GeneZ



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You CAN get shot in my church.
Pastor mentioned that just the other day.

 

[Giver]

1 Timothy 5:8 (New International Version)​

"If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."​

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If that's enough to receive such condemnation from God? How much more so? If one refuses to protect?!


Enuf said...

(Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

Jesus tells us this, and you take a parable and twist it’s meaning so you can disregard what Jesus commanded of his people to live?

Here is why Jesus used parables. (Matthew 13:13)”The reason I talk to them in parables is that they look without seeing and listen without hearing or understanding,”

 

[Giver]

Right. When I posted that last post, I didn't even know about the guard who killed the gunman during the shootings at the church in Colorado Springs. This woman who professes faith in Christ and gives all the credit and glory to God for her act of savings untold numbers of lives by shooting the gunman, we know, is not really a Christian at all. The fact that God used her in this way proves that she has no part with Him. Unbelievable!

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

Anyone can call himself or herself a Christian, but to be a Christian is to hear the Word of the Lord and live it.

 

[GenemZ]

Anyone can call himself or herself a Christian, but to be a Christian is to hear the Word of the Lord and live it.

Problem is.... before he can live it. He has to first understand it.

Proverbs 14:12 (New International Version)
"There is a way that seems right to a man,
but in the end it leads to death."



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[Giver]

Problem is.... before he can live it. He has to first understand it.

Proverbs 14:12 (New International Version)​

"There is a way that seems right to a man, ​

but in the end it leads to death." ​

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Amen! That is why Jesus gave us his Holy Spirit, and also said his people would hear his voice.

 

[mont974x4]

Man! I have answered two or three times in this thread. Just so you can understand I’ll try to explain again. (Luke 22:38) “Lord, they said ‘there are two swords here now,’ He said to them, ‘that is enough!

Here is what some bible scholars have said about that passage of scripture: “The Apostles have taken the words of Jesus too literally and he closes the conversation abruptly”. Also, “The purse to buy, the sword to procure by force the necessities of life. All this is symbolic of a mission in a hostile world.” These scholars wrote the Jerusalem Bible. That’s a Catholic Bible and Catholics believe much the way you do about the subject of self-defense.

Another question you should ask yourself is: would Jesus have said that two swords were enough if they were to use swords to defend all the disciples that were there?

Two swords would have been enough. Look what God did with a young man and a rock or one man and jawbone.

 

[mont974x4]

Did Jesus have any Christian with guns there stopping the killer? No! the world took care of there own.

Are you so arrogant to think that you can judge the woman who stopped (by killing the shooter) what would have been a slaughter and say she wasn't a Christian?


BTW, in her interview she praised God, gave Him the glory, and told of her prayer before engaging the enemy.


You're doctrine of cowardly milktoast christians is a contradiction of Scripture. You ignore the passages that you disagree with and fail to reconcile them with applicable passages. This is how false teaching and apostasy starts.

 

[mont974x4]

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

Anyone can call himself or herself a Christian, but to be a Christian is to hear the Word of the Lord and live it.

Problem is you ignore the passages that disagree with you so you can not possibly know them and live them.

 

[Giver]

Two swords would have been enough. Look what God did with a young man and a rock or one man and jawbone.

Well then if you think Jesus meant for the disciples to use those swords they must have split up just in two groups. In your way of thinking it would have been better for Jesus to tell them to just take along a rock.

I will ask you to find me some evidence where the Apostles ever, after they received the Holy Spirit, used a sword in defense of themselves or anyone else.

You use a lam excuse like David and his slingshot, while ignoring what some theologians think about the two swords. You are not even trying to be reasonable. But keep it up because all the people who read this will come to see how pathetic your arguments are.

 

[Giver]

Are you so arrogant to think that you can judge the woman who stopped (by killing the shooter) what would have been a slaughter and say she wasn't a Christian?


BTW, in her interview she praised God, gave Him the glory, and told of her prayer before engaging the enemy.
(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”




You're doctrine of cowardly milktoast christians is a contradiction of Scripture. You ignore the passages that you disagree with and fail to reconcile them with applicable passages. This is how false teaching and apostasy starts.

Now you are getting into name calling, and saying things without any evidence that there is any truth in them. You have run out of even feeble arguments, so it gets down to name-calling.

 

[GenemZ]

Jesus personally told me that we were not to hurt anyone for any reason.

The written Word of God tells us the same thing.

(Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

When God tells us something it is very dangerous to ignore what he says. Right?

Trouble is. You are not understanding the context in which those words were spoken:

Jews as a rule did not go around abusing his fellow Jew. The Jews were very civilized towards one another as a people. Jesus was warning about something specific and very dangerous for those listening to him.


It was the pagan world who did not have God's Word that was brutal. Barbaric.

Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek concerning the many Roman abuses to the Jews. Jesus was teaching the Jews not to become arrogant when confronted by Roman abuses. His teaching was for what to do when under the abusive control of the overpowering Roman soldiers.

A Jew who was slapped by Roman, a Jew who resisted, could end up being harmed much worse. Many hung on crosses in Israel because Jews in their religious pride for mistakingly thinking God was on their side always.

The Romans, to the Jew, were degenerate. Some Jews ended up trying to fight back and got hurt badly, or killed.

Matthew 2:16 (New International Version)
"When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi."
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Remember, it was the Romans who went through Bethlehem grabbing away from their mothers their sons, killing every male child two years or younger. Brutal mentality!

The Romans were powerful as a force. Not to be resisted .. brutal and insanely cruel as a people!

Jesus was teaching the Jews how to keep the abuses to a minimum. He was offering survival training for their Roman occupation.

"Do not resist. Turn your other cheek."
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That was survival training for the Jews under Roman occupation.

Not a command to the church.


Now, learn to understand the Word of God to live by.

If you don't?

You'll be called,"the Church of the One Eye."

Pluck it out.. It says so! Do as the Word says!

When God tells us something it is very dangerous to ignore what he says. Right?

In Christ, GeneZ




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[mont974x4]

LOL OK, Giver


Time to save my pearls and knock the dust from my sandles...welcome to the ignore list.

 

[Rick Otto]

1Ti 5:8 -But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Safe survival is provision #1.
To stand by while your wife is raped is insanity.
Shame on you.

 

[Giver]

1Ti 5:8 -But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Safe survival is provision #1.
To stand by while your wife is raped is insanity.
Shame on you.

The​

American Heritage College Dictionary​

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Provision N. 1.The act of supplying or fitting out. 2. Something provided. 3. A preparatory action or measure. 4. Provisions. A stock of necessary supplies, esp. food.

I don’t read anything in this definition that says that to provide means disobeying God’s Word by hurting anyone.

You should see that Jesus is our protector and he takes care of us.

 

[A. believer]

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

Anyone can call himself or herself a Christian, but to be a Christian is to hear the Word of the Lord and live it.

You got that right, but our judgments are to be based on the fruit. You pervert God's justice and slander His servant when you imply that a woman who displayed godly character and faith by confronting evil to protect innocent life was, herself, under the power of the evil one.