Outer Calling And Inner Calling.......

[cygnusx1]

Folks, the fiction of the inner call is not found anywhere is scripture. In Romans 8:28 we have the external call of the gospel being accepted, thus the reference is those called according to His purpose. In Romans 8:30, we have the holy calling of those already saved and in Christ, thus neither refers to the invention not found in scripture.

the outer call cannot be in view in Rom 8 because all called in Romans 8 are saved , ie, justified predestined and glorified and foreknown.

In Romans 1:7 we have born again believers, who are called or known as saints, because they have been set apart by being spiritually baptized into Christ. This verse does not refer to the fiction of the inner call. In Romans 1:6, we have a reference to "the called" which refers to those whose response to the gospel God credited as rightousness, and therefore those who God spiritually baptized into Christ. This verse also does not refer to the fiction of the inner call.

and there we have that mantra again , no matter , there is a calling that takes place in eternity , this calling is to our place as God's children and Saints not merely the Gospel call.

In Romans 9:24, Paul refers to born again believers who had been called not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles. This too refers to those whose response to the gospel God credited as righteousness. The fiction of the inner call cannot be found anywhere in scripture.

there goes that mantra again are you getting convinced by this hypnotism method folks ?

the truth is , the outer call cannot account for the call in Romans 9:24 for then it would include reprobates who were also CALLED but who refused to come , they too would be "the called " !!!

In 1 Corinthians 1:2 we find born again believers who are "saints by calling" again referring to those whose faith in Christ was credited as righteousness, and then were set apart - thus "saints by calling!"

yes , called to be Saints , hardly the call to everyone

I can go through the whole NT, the inner call is a fiction and cannot be found.

there goes that mantra again , all we have here folks is an unwillingness to learn , why ? because a Calvinist might have something !


fiction ? , yes , I resist van's fictions.

 

[Van]

Hi Behe's Boy, do a google search on "Father of the inqusition." Enjoy

Since Augustine's doctrine of using state power to compel orthodoxy, he is consider the father of the dark ages. And so before Augustine, no one had heard of Calvin's doctrines which are based on Augustine. Thus Calvinism is relic of the dark ages fathered by Augustine.

The call of Romans 8:30 is our holy calling, not our call to salvation, the passage is addressing our condition in Christ, already among "the called."

The inner call is a fiction and cannot be found in the bible.

 

[cygnusx1]

Hi Behe's Boy, do a google search on "Father of the inqusition." Enjoy

Since Augustine's doctrine of using state power to compel orthodoxy, he is consider the father of the dark ages. And so before Augustine, no one had heard of Calvin's doctrines which are based on Augustine. Thus Calvinism is relic of the dark ages fathered by Augustine.

The call of Romans 8:30 is our holy calling, not our call to salvation, the passage is addressing our condition in Christ, already among "the called."

The inner call is a fiction and cannot be found in the bible.

why don't you supply the data , you made strong claims so back them up , don't just say go look yourself !

 

[Van]

Hi, you can google the information and get all the references and sources, if I post a snippet, it will be reported in an effort to sidetrack and avoid this truth, the inner call is a fiction

 

[cygnusx1]

If Behe's Boy googles it himself, he has all the information and knows I did not present out of context quotes or references. But here is a snipet for you to enjoy:

i fail to not only see a link , but qualified quotations with references are also abscent , this is but one persons view , and certainly unconvincing........ where's the "many scholars" you mentioned ?

 

[vekarppe]

Van, have you ever heard of source criticism?

 

[Van]

Hi Vekarpee, yes I am aware the claim that you can discern various different authors in the material presented by an inspired author. As I understand it, those that made the claim were presented a paper that was made up of direct quotations from papers they themselves had written years before. But those that claimed to be able to discern different authors were unable to identify which parts of the article were written by different people. In other words, the idea has been verified to be a fiction.

 

[cygnusx1]

Hi, you can google the information and get all the references and sources, if I post a snippet, it will be reported in an effort to sidetrack and avoid this truth, the inner call is a fiction

no links , no quotes just "take my word for it folks " ....... why should we ?.

where's the "many scholars" you mentioned ?

 

[Van]

Hi , why not google it. "Try Father of the Inquistion." Many scholars all make the same point, read and enjoy them.

Folks, the inner call is a fiction, and Calvinism is a relic of the dark ages, because it presents the theology of compulsion. Augustine provided the underpinnings for using governmental power to coerse folks, and years later, viola, the inquistion.

The invention of the inner call is yet another claim that God uses compulsion to bring about faith. See the link??

 

[cygnusx1]

who's cyn ?

and why do you lkeep repeating the same thing over and over , are you trying to convince yourself of your stuff ?

 

[cygnusx1]

a useful list of studies done on the doctrine of the Effectual Call (the inner call) for those wishing to see how Biblical and inspiring this subject is ;


http://www.monergism.com/directory/search.php?action=search_links_simple&phrase=effectual


these are just some of the studies , there are others.

 

[nobdysfool]

Many scholars accept that Augustine inaugerated the dark ages, with his misinterpretation of invite and persuade meaning compel by force. The theology of compulsion is the hallmark of the dark ages, and Calvinism is a relic of that unbiblical view.

And which scholars would they be, Van? Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy, which you are attempting to employ here. It is fallacious. Since there are "many" scholars who believe this, you should be able to name, oh, 5 or 6 who have gone on record as saying that Augustine initiated and inaugurated the Dark Ages.

Names, Van. Not "many scholars". Actual, verifiable names. Certainly, if you have studied this out as much as you want everyone here to believe that you have, then providing in-context quotes from actual scholars should be no problem for you to give us. So let's have them, or withdraw the statement as mistaken..

 

[nobdysfool]

Hi Cyn, why not google it. "Try Father of the Inquistion." Many scholars all make the same point, read and enjoy them.

Folks, the inner call is a fiction, and Calvinism is a relic of the dark ages, because it presents the theology of compulsion. Augustine provided the underpinnings for using governmental power to coerse folks, and years later, viola, the inquistion.

The invention of the inner call is yet another claim that God uses compulsion to bring about faith. See the link??

Repetition of unproven assertions over and over again. Now, an attack on an early church father, with unsubstantiated accusations. And no substantiation will be given, because none exists.

 

[Thekla]

Which ones? Can you name three?

John Romanides, Christos Yannaras, Philip Sherrard, Alexander Kalomiros (all 20th c., BTW)

 

[Van]

The inner call is a fiction, not found in scripture. How do the Calvinists attempt to push this fiction? By slide of hand. For example, not every call mentioned in scripture is the external call of the gospel. So they use this fact to support the possiblity that some of the other calls are in inner call. Nonsense. These refer to our holy calling once in Christ, a post salvation call.

Next, they refer to "the called" as if the idea was "the inner called." Nonsense again. The called just refers to those whose response to the external call of the gospel was credited as righteousness.

 

[Van]

Hi NBF, why not google it. "Try Father of the Inquistion." Many scholars all make the same point, read and enjoy them. Several names have been posted already.

Folks, the inner call is a fiction, and Calvinism is a relic of the dark ages, because it presents the theology of compulsion. Augustine provided the underpinnings for using governmental power to coerse folks, and years later, viola, the inquistion.

The invention of the inner call is yet another claim that God uses compulsion to bring about faith. See the link??

 

[nobdysfool]

see , i said the Orthodox will channel everything as east v west .......... lets just examine all things without the politics !

Not to mention that these two errors have nothing to do with the topic of discussion. Guilt by (false) association is a logical fallacy.

 

[nobdysfool]

Hi NBF, why not google it. "Try Father of the Inquistion." Many scholars all make the same point, read and enjoy them. Several names have been posted already.

Folks, the inner call is a fiction, and Calvinism is a relic of the dark ages, because it presents the theology of compulsion. Augustine provided the underpinnings for using governmental power to coerse folks, and years later, viola, the inquistion.

The invention of the inner call is yet another claim that God uses compulsion to bring about faith. See the link??

Where is this vast fount of information? I googled your little phrase, and found only one passing reference to Augustine in the writing of Father William Saunders. His one sentence did not say what you claim it does, at all. Where are the "many scholars"? List their names. Link to their scholarly writings which support your ridiculous charge. Where are they? Who are they?

Now, you can either give actual references (Google doesn't count), or you can retract your false charge.

 

[Oye11]

see , i said the Orthodox will channel everything as east v west ..........

That really wouldn`t be necessary as the fathers that preceded and followed Augustine in the West were not in accord with his exaggerations on grace. Is rather lonely I know having only one patron saint, but just squeeze it for all it`s worth....

 

[cygnusx1]

That really wouldn`t be necessary as the fathers that preceded and followed Augustine in the West were not in accord with his exaggerations on grace. Is rather lonely I know having only one patron saint, but just squeeze it for all it`s worth....

well at least your old chum wesley didn't need your approval , are there any other Church fathers who agree ? i don't know , and i didn't think everything had to pass through them . methinks you just like to dip your spoon.....