Way to jump to conclusions about the beliefs of others.That is why that verse is an excellent example from the OT. I'll post it again:
Zion shall be redeemed by justice, and those in her who repent, by righteousness. But rebels and sinners shall be destroyed together, and those who forsake the Lord shall be consumed. For you shall be ashamed of the oaks in which you delighted; and you shall blush for the gardens that you have chosen. For you shall be like an oak whose leaf withers, and like a garden without water. The strong shall become like tinder, and their work like a spark; they and their work shall burn together, with no one to quench them. Isa 1:27-31
It gives a description of what it means to be consumed and destroyed. "Like an oak whose leaf withers" and "like a garden without water".
I have heard others say that destruction is more of a ruin, a person or object which has lost the essence of its nature or function. And you can see this in quite a few passages both in the OT and the NT. I'll post some examples:
Num 21:29 (being sold) 1 Sam 9:3, 20 (lost) Isa 31:12 (unfit for use) Jer 48:34-37 (v.42 destroyed as a people v. 37-39 for a description of this destruction v.47 the fortunes of this destroyed people will even be restored)
Luke 15:1-7 (lost sheep) v.8,9 (lost coin) v.24 (lost son) Matt26:8 (wasted alabaster) Rev 11:18 (destroying those who destroy the earth, yet the earth has not ceased to exist).
Pretty devastating to anyone who wants to claim just on the basis of the word itself that it means to cease to exist.
Another poster in this thread brought up Ezek 28:18 where it was directly related to Satan. While I do agree you can make some parallels to Satan from this passage one has to remember it is about Tyre. And making this verse a foundation for an argument you would have to be very careful. Notice the words in that verse 18 "turned you to ashes on the earth". That part can be tricky in trying to relate that to the end of Satan as his end is quite clearly in the lake of fire not on the earth(Rev 20:10).
Another tricky aspect to this verse is what does "turned to ashes" mean? Is it similar to the word destruction which doesn't have the same connotation that some wish it to have? We can see what Ezekiel has to say about it.
Like pointing out v.19 of the same chapter "you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more forever". So Tyre in being turned to ashes shall be no more forever. Skip back a couple of chapters to chapter 26.
Then I will thrust you down with those who descend into the Pit, to the people of long ago, and I will make you live in the world below, among primeval ruins, with those who go down to the Pit, so that you will not be inhabited or have a place in the land of the living. I will bring you to a dreadful end, and you shall be no more; though sought for, you will never be found again, says the Lord God. Ezek 26:20,21
Clearly not ceasing to be at all, but they will cease to be in the land of the living (have no place in) and will not be found there, because they are in the Pit. Almost an exact parallel to the word destruction. (For Mal 4:3 keep this in mind and aslo read 1 Cor 15:25,26 and Rom 16:20 For 2 Pet 2:6 see Isa 13:19 and 14:1-27).
But if you just want a simple, straightforward response to both universalism or annihilationism then turn to Rev chapters 21 and 22. After the judgement and the wicked being thrown into the lake of fire (19:11-15) when everything is made new (20:5) the new heavens and new earth are there (21:1) and the city of God, the new Jerusalem has come down (21:2,3).
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Rev 22:14,15
So after everything is made new. Is everyone in the city of God? Nope. And they will never get in:
But nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life. Rev 21:27
And this book just happens to have been written from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8 also see Eph 1:4 Matt 25:34). So if one's name wasn't in the book when it was the deciding factor for whether or not one was to be thrown into the lake of fire you are never getting in. You can uncheck universalism for possible truth.
Back to Rev 22:14,15. All things made new, yet the wicked are still outside the city. They are still there. Not a ceasing to be but a destruction, a turning to ashes where the wicked shall not have true life, nor will they be found among those who do have true life. Uncheck annihilationism.
Beware of teachers who like to hold on to select verses and ignore the rest of scripture. And you'll notice one more thing, personal beliefs based on human emotions are always among the foundations for these two false doctrines, not the Spirit speaking thru scripture.
Just because someone believes contrary to you and your understanding of the scriptures doesn't mean that their beliefs are not supported by the scriptures (as they understand them) or that they have dismissed the verses that YOU THINK they have or that they are letting their emotions get in the way of seeing the truth.
What you think is "the end" in the book of Revelation takes place AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST (as that is what the book is about) and if you look in Rev 14 you will see that it is not "the end" but about those who are DYING HENCEFORTH in the lord.
Rev 14:9-20
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord ((FROM HENCEFORTH)): Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat ~LIKE UNTO~ the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord ((FROM HENCEFORTH)): Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat ~LIKE UNTO~ the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Can you explain to me what “Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord ((FROM HENCEFORTH))” means, if this doesn’t apply to those who ARE DYING in the Lord GOING FORWARD?
What does it mean that those who abide IN HIS WRATH have “no rest day or night”? (opposed to those who are dying in the Lord who DO REST).
What IS "the smoke of their torment" that ascends up forever and ever?
How are we TO KEEP the sayings of the book if these things have not even begun to come to pass yet?
How did they “keep” them 2000 years ago?
When it comes to THE END OF THE WORLD and THE HARVEST, Christ made it very clear that THE FIELD IS RIPE, ALREADY TO HARVEST and that “in the end of the world” he would send forth his angels TO REAP:
John 4:34-38
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. ((SAY NOT YE,THERE ARE YET FOUR MONTHS)), AND THEN COMETH HARVEST?
((BEHOLD)), I say unto you, ((LIFT UP YOU EYES AND LOOK ON THE FIELDS)); FOR THEY ARE WHITE ALREADY TO HARVEST.
And HE THAT REAPETH ((receiveth wages)), and ((gathereth fruit)) UNTO LIFE ETERNAL: ((that both)) HE THAT SOWETH ~and~ HE THAT REAPETH ((may rejoice)) TOGETHER.
And herein is that saying true, ONE SOWETH, and ANOTHER REAPETH.
((I SENT YOU)) TO REAP
((that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured)), and YE ARE ENTERING INTO THEIR LABOURS.
So then THE FIELD IS RIPE, ALREADY TO HARVEST and Christ sent ~THEM~ (HIS DISCIPLES; THE ANGELS OF THE LORD) ~TO REAP~ to be ~LABORERS~ in the field and GATHER FRUIT UNTO LIFE ETERNAL. AMEN!!!!!!Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. ((SAY NOT YE,THERE ARE YET FOUR MONTHS)), AND THEN COMETH HARVEST?
((BEHOLD)), I say unto you, ((LIFT UP YOU EYES AND LOOK ON THE FIELDS)); FOR THEY ARE WHITE ALREADY TO HARVEST.
And HE THAT REAPETH ((receiveth wages)), and ((gathereth fruit)) UNTO LIFE ETERNAL: ((that both)) HE THAT SOWETH ~and~ HE THAT REAPETH ((may rejoice)) TOGETHER.
And herein is that saying true, ONE SOWETH, and ANOTHER REAPETH.
((I SENT YOU)) TO REAP
((that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured)), and YE ARE ENTERING INTO THEIR LABOURS.
THE REAPERS ~are~ THE ANGELS
Mat 13:36-43
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
He answered and said unto them, ((He that soweth the good seed is)) THE SON OF MAN; ((The field is)) THE WORLD; ((the good seed are)) THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM; ((but the tares are)) THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED one;
THE ENEMY ((that sowed them)) IS THE DEVIL;
THE HARVEST ~is~ THE END OF THE WORLD; and
THE REAPERS ~are~ THE ANGELS.
As therefore THE TARES ARE GATHERED ((and burned in the fire)); ((so shall it be)) IN THE END OF THE WORLD.
THE SON OF MAN ((shall send forth)) HIS ANGELS, ((andtheyshall gather out of his kingdom)) ALL THINGS THAT OFFEND, AND THEM WHICH DO INIQUITY; ((AND SHALL CAST THEM INTO A FURNACE OF FIRE)): there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
THEN ((SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS)) SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN ((in the kingdom of their Father)).
WHO HATH EARS TO HEAR, ((LET HIM HEAR)).
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
He answered and said unto them, ((He that soweth the good seed is)) THE SON OF MAN; ((The field is)) THE WORLD; ((the good seed are)) THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM; ((but the tares are)) THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED one;
THE ENEMY ((that sowed them)) IS THE DEVIL;
THE HARVEST ~is~ THE END OF THE WORLD; and
THE REAPERS ~are~ THE ANGELS.
As therefore THE TARES ARE GATHERED ((and burned in the fire)); ((so shall it be)) IN THE END OF THE WORLD.
THE SON OF MAN ((shall send forth)) HIS ANGELS, ((andtheyshall gather out of his kingdom)) ALL THINGS THAT OFFEND, AND THEM WHICH DO INIQUITY; ((AND SHALL CAST THEM INTO A FURNACE OF FIRE)): there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
THEN ((SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS)) SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN ((in the kingdom of their Father)).
WHO HATH EARS TO HEAR, ((LET HIM HEAR)).
Do we have further confirmation that “men” do the gathering?
John 15:4-6
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; NO MORE CAN YE, EXCEPT YE ABIDE IN ME. I am the vine, ye are the branches:
((He that abideth in me, and I in him)), THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH MUCH FRUIT: ((for without me ye can do nothing)).
((IF A MAN ~ABIDETH NOT~ IN ME)), he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;
AND MEN GATHER THEM,((AND CAST THEM INTO THE FIRE, AND THEY ARE BURNED)).
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; NO MORE CAN YE, EXCEPT YE ABIDE IN ME. I am the vine, ye are the branches:
((He that abideth in me, and I in him)), THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH MUCH FRUIT: ((for without me ye can do nothing)).
((IF A MAN ~ABIDETH NOT~ IN ME)), he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;
AND MEN GATHER THEM,((AND CAST THEM INTO THE FIRE, AND THEY ARE BURNED)).
Paul was received “as an angel” of God:
Gal 4:12-14
Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. ((Ye know how)) THROUGH INFIRMITY OF THE FLESH I PREACHED THE GOSPEL UNTO YOU AT THE FIRST. And ((my temptation))which was in my flesh((ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me)) AS AN ANGEL OF GOD, even AS CHRIST JESUS.
Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. ((Ye know how)) THROUGH INFIRMITY OF THE FLESH I PREACHED THE GOSPEL UNTO YOU AT THE FIRST. And ((my temptation))which was in my flesh((ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me)) AS AN ANGEL OF GOD, even AS CHRIST JESUS.
Didn’t John see “AN ANGEL” flying in the midst of heaven “HAVING THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL TO PREACH”?
Rev 14:6-7
And I SAW ((ANOTHER ANGEL)) FLY IN THE MIDST OF HEAVEN, ((HAVING THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL TO PREACH)) UNTO THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, FEAR GOD AND GIVE GLORY TO HIM; ((for)) THE HOUR OF HIS JUDGMENT IT COME: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
And I SAW ((ANOTHER ANGEL)) FLY IN THE MIDST OF HEAVEN, ((HAVING THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL TO PREACH)) UNTO THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, FEAR GOD AND GIVE GLORY TO HIM; ((for)) THE HOUR OF HIS JUDGMENT IT COME: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Aren’t the letters in the book of Revelation written to “THE ANGELS OF THE CHURCHES”?
Rev 1:1-20
THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST,((which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants)) THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS;
and ((he sent and signified it)) BY HIS ANGEL ((unto his servant John)): Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
BLESSED((IS HE THAT READETH)) AND((THEY THAT HEAR)) THE WORDDS OF THIS PROPHECY, ((and keepthose things which are written therein)): FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.
John ((TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES WHICH ARE IN ASIA)): Grace be unto you, and peace, ((FROM HIM)) WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and WHICH IS TO COME;
((and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne));
((And from Jesus Christ)), WHO IS THE FAITHFUL WITNESS, and THE FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and THE PRINCE ((OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH)).
((UNTO HIM)) THAT LOVED US, and WASHED US FROM OUR SINS ((IN HIS OWN BLOOD)), And HATH MADE US ((kings and priests unto God and his Father)); TO HIM BE GLORY AND DOMINION for ever and ever. Amen.
Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and ((every eye shall see him)), and ((they also which pierced him)): and ((all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him)). Even so, Amen.
((I AM)) ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, ((saith the Lord)), WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and WHICH IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY.
I John, who also am ((your brother, and companion in tribulation)), and ((in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ)), was in the isle that is called Patmos, FOR THE WORD OF GOD, and FOR THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.
((I wasin the Spirit)) ON THE LORD’S DAY, ((and heard behind me)) A GREAT VOICE, AS OF A TRUMPET, ((Saying)), ((I AM)) ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST:
and, ((WHAT THOU SEEST, WRITE IN A BOOK, AND SENT IT)) UNTO THE SEVEN CHURCHES which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
And ((I TURNED TO SEE THE VOICE THAT SPAKE TO ME)). And ((BEING TURNED)), I SAW SEVEN GOLDEN CANDLESTICKS;
And ((in the midst of the seven candlesticks)) ONE LIKE UNTO THE SON OF MAN, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
HIS HEAD AND HIS HAIRS were WHITE LIFE WOOL, AS WHITE AS SNOW;
And HIS EYES were AS A FLAME OF FIRE;
And HIS FEET like unto FINE BRASS, ((as if they burned in a furnace));
And HIS VOICE ((AS THE SOUND OF MANY WATERS)).
And ((HE HAD IN HIS RIGHT HAND)) ~SEVEN STARS~:
and ((out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword)):
and HIS COUNTENANCE was AS THE SUN SHINETH IN HIS STRENGTH.
And WHEN I SAW HIM, I FELL AT HIS FEET AS DEAD.
And ((he laid HIS RIGHT HAND upon me)), saying unto me, FEAR NOT; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: ((I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore)), Amen;
((AND HAVE THE KEYS)) OF HELL AND OF DEATH.
((Write the things which thou hast seen)), and THE THINGS WHICH ARE, and THE THINGS WHICH SHALL BE HEREAFTER;
THE MYSTERY((of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand), and ((the seven golden candlesticks)).
THE SEVEN STARS ~are~ THE ANGELS ((OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES)):
and THE SEVEN CANDLSTICKS ((which thou sawest)) ~are~ THE SEVEN CHURCHES.
We see that each of the seven churches was addressed through letters SENT TO “THE ANGELS” OF THE CHURCHES:
Rev 2:1 UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church of Ephesus)) write;…
Rev 2:8 And UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Smyrna)) write; …
Rev 2:12 And TO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Pergamos)) write; …
Rev 2:18 And UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Thyatira)) write; ….
Rev 3:1 And UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Sardis)) write; …
Rev 3:7 And TO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Philadelphia)) write; …
Rev 3:14 And UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church of the Laodiceans)) write; …
THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST,((which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants)) THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS;
and ((he sent and signified it)) BY HIS ANGEL ((unto his servant John)): Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
BLESSED((IS HE THAT READETH)) AND((THEY THAT HEAR)) THE WORDDS OF THIS PROPHECY, ((and keepthose things which are written therein)): FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.
John ((TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES WHICH ARE IN ASIA)): Grace be unto you, and peace, ((FROM HIM)) WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and WHICH IS TO COME;
((and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne));
((And from Jesus Christ)), WHO IS THE FAITHFUL WITNESS, and THE FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and THE PRINCE ((OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH)).
((UNTO HIM)) THAT LOVED US, and WASHED US FROM OUR SINS ((IN HIS OWN BLOOD)), And HATH MADE US ((kings and priests unto God and his Father)); TO HIM BE GLORY AND DOMINION for ever and ever. Amen.
Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and ((every eye shall see him)), and ((they also which pierced him)): and ((all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him)). Even so, Amen.
((I AM)) ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, ((saith the Lord)), WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and WHICH IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY.
I John, who also am ((your brother, and companion in tribulation)), and ((in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ)), was in the isle that is called Patmos, FOR THE WORD OF GOD, and FOR THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.
((I wasin the Spirit)) ON THE LORD’S DAY, ((and heard behind me)) A GREAT VOICE, AS OF A TRUMPET, ((Saying)), ((I AM)) ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST:
and, ((WHAT THOU SEEST, WRITE IN A BOOK, AND SENT IT)) UNTO THE SEVEN CHURCHES which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
And ((I TURNED TO SEE THE VOICE THAT SPAKE TO ME)). And ((BEING TURNED)), I SAW SEVEN GOLDEN CANDLESTICKS;
And ((in the midst of the seven candlesticks)) ONE LIKE UNTO THE SON OF MAN, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
HIS HEAD AND HIS HAIRS were WHITE LIFE WOOL, AS WHITE AS SNOW;
And HIS EYES were AS A FLAME OF FIRE;
And HIS FEET like unto FINE BRASS, ((as if they burned in a furnace));
And HIS VOICE ((AS THE SOUND OF MANY WATERS)).
And ((HE HAD IN HIS RIGHT HAND)) ~SEVEN STARS~:
and ((out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword)):
and HIS COUNTENANCE was AS THE SUN SHINETH IN HIS STRENGTH.
And WHEN I SAW HIM, I FELL AT HIS FEET AS DEAD.
And ((he laid HIS RIGHT HAND upon me)), saying unto me, FEAR NOT; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: ((I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore)), Amen;
((AND HAVE THE KEYS)) OF HELL AND OF DEATH.
((Write the things which thou hast seen)), and THE THINGS WHICH ARE, and THE THINGS WHICH SHALL BE HEREAFTER;
THE MYSTERY((of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand), and ((the seven golden candlesticks)).
THE SEVEN STARS ~are~ THE ANGELS ((OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES)):
and THE SEVEN CANDLSTICKS ((which thou sawest)) ~are~ THE SEVEN CHURCHES.
We see that each of the seven churches was addressed through letters SENT TO “THE ANGELS” OF THE CHURCHES:
Rev 2:1 UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church of Ephesus)) write;…
Rev 2:8 And UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Smyrna)) write; …
Rev 2:12 And TO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Pergamos)) write; …
Rev 2:18 And UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Thyatira)) write; ….
Rev 3:1 And UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Sardis)) write; …
Rev 3:7 And TO THE ANGEL ((of the church in Philadelphia)) write; …
Rev 3:14 And UNTO THE ANGEL ((of the church of the Laodiceans)) write; …
GOD WALKS AMONG THE CHANDLESTICKS (the churches)
HE HAS THE STARS ((THE ANGELS OF THE CHURCHES)) IN HIS RIGHT HAND (and it is TO THEM that the letters are sent).
We can “entertain angels” ((unawares)):
Heb 13:1-2 Let brotherly love continue. Be not forgetful to entertain STRANGERS: ((for thereby some have)) entertained angels ((unawares)).
Mat 25:35-36 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was A STRANGER, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:35-36 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was A STRANGER, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
It is THE ANGELS who worship him and who desire to look into these things:
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten INTO THE WORLD, he saith, AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.
1Pe 1:3-13
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;
1Pe 1:3-13
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;
Let us look at one of the parables about “the kingdom of heaven”:
Mat 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven ~is likened unto~ a man which sowed good seed in his field:
But WHILE HE SLEPT, ~his enemy came and sowed~ TARES ~among~ THE WHEAT, and went his way.
But WHEN THE BLADE WAS SRUNG UP, AND BROUGHT FORTH FRUIT, ((then appeared)) THE TARES ((also)). [The tares are “seen” because they produce “no fruit”.. that is why we are to “know them” – THE WHEAT WHO ARE HIS - “by their fruit”]
So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, NAY;((lest while ye gather up THE TARES)), ((ye root up also THE WHEAT))with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest: and ((IN THE TIME OF HARVEST)) I WILL SAY ((TO THE REAPERS)), GATHER YE TOGETHER ~FIRST THE TARES~, and bind them in bundles to burn them: BUT GATHER ~THE WHEAT~ INTO MY BARN.
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven ~is likened unto~ a man which sowed good seed in his field:
But WHILE HE SLEPT, ~his enemy came and sowed~ TARES ~among~ THE WHEAT, and went his way.
But WHEN THE BLADE WAS SRUNG UP, AND BROUGHT FORTH FRUIT, ((then appeared)) THE TARES ((also)). [The tares are “seen” because they produce “no fruit”.. that is why we are to “know them” – THE WHEAT WHO ARE HIS - “by their fruit”]
So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, NAY;((lest while ye gather up THE TARES)), ((ye root up also THE WHEAT))with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest: and ((IN THE TIME OF HARVEST)) I WILL SAY ((TO THE REAPERS)), GATHER YE TOGETHER ~FIRST THE TARES~, and bind them in bundles to burn them: BUT GATHER ~THE WHEAT~ INTO MY BARN.
He hath made HIS ANGELS ((SPIRITS)) and HIS MINISTERS ((A FLAME OF FIRE)).
Heb 1:1-14 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
What else do we know about “the end of the world”?
Heb 9:24-28
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are THE FIGURES OF THE TRUE; but into heaven itself, NOW TO APPEAR IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD FOR US:
Nor yet that he should offer himself ((OFTEN)), as the high priest entereth into the holy place ((EVERY YEAR)) with blood of others; For then must he ((OFTEN)) have suffered since the foundation of the world:
BUT NOW ((ONCE)) IN THE END OF THE WORLD ((hath he appeared to put away sin)) BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF.
((And as it is appointed unto men)) ONCE TO DIE, ((BUT AFTER THIS)) THE JUDGMENT:
So Christ was ONCE OFFERED ((to bear the sins of many));
AND UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM ((SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME)) WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are THE FIGURES OF THE TRUE; but into heaven itself, NOW TO APPEAR IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD FOR US:
Nor yet that he should offer himself ((OFTEN)), as the high priest entereth into the holy place ((EVERY YEAR)) with blood of others; For then must he ((OFTEN)) have suffered since the foundation of the world:
BUT NOW ((ONCE)) IN THE END OF THE WORLD ((hath he appeared to put away sin)) BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF.
((And as it is appointed unto men)) ONCE TO DIE, ((BUT AFTER THIS)) THE JUDGMENT:
So Christ was ONCE OFFERED ((to bear the sins of many));
AND UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM ((SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME)) WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.
So Christ appeared once IN THE END OF THE WORLD, the harvest is THE END OF THE WORLD, Christ said the field was white ALREADY TO HARVEST and he sent his disciples TO REAP (receiving wages and gathering fruit unto life eternal).
We are Baptized WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT ~and~ WITH FIRE:
Mat 3:11-12
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but HE THAT COMETH AFTER ME ((IS MIGHTIER THAN I)), whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: HE SHALL BAPTIZE YOU ((WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT)), ((AND WITH FIRE)):
((WHOSE FAN is IN HIS HAND, and HE WILL THROUGHLY PURGE HIS FLOOR)), and GATHER HIS WHEAT INTO THE GARNER; ~but~ HE WILL BURN UP THE CHAFF WITH UNQUENCHABLE FIRE.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but HE THAT COMETH AFTER ME ((IS MIGHTIER THAN I)), whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: HE SHALL BAPTIZE YOU ((WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT)), ((AND WITH FIRE)):
((WHOSE FAN is IN HIS HAND, and HE WILL THROUGHLY PURGE HIS FLOOR)), and GATHER HIS WHEAT INTO THE GARNER; ~but~ HE WILL BURN UP THE CHAFF WITH UNQUENCHABLE FIRE.
Those two things (THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST and FIRE; the gathering of the wheat into the garner and the burning up of the chaff with unquenchable fire) seem to be talking place at the same time, as I read/understand this verse. And it sounds to me like these things are already well underway, that the harvest has begun and Christ has sent forth HIS ANGELS ((TO REAP)).
Sorry for the length but I don't want to be accused of missing or ignoring something.
But if you think I have missed or ignored something please let me know and I will sure to address it for you.
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