What is "hell"?

[Gary51]

Hell is separation from God. It is that simple.

If it is that simple, why is there so much deep debate going on. Maybe you can enlighten those in debate.

It may be a burning lake of fire. It maybe eternal torment, or it may not.

You mean you don't know? I thought you said it was simple.

At the end of the day, who cares?

I do.

Put simply

Yes you do.

hell is the absence of God.

obviously.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Such confidence.

 

[squint]

I would challenge anyone who promotes that our fellow mankind, ANY of them, will be burned alive forever, eternally separated from God or eternally annihilated to

PROVE IT...

BY...providing a single (please read) "named human being" as an example from the entire Bible

OR...

even a single (please read) "named human being" as an example from the entire Bible even THREATENED with such a fate.

Just so ya know in advance, there is not a ONE. Nope, not a single named human example.

About as much as I have derived from this entire subject of "hell" or the "Lake of Fire" is that at some point, SIN, EVIL and DEATH will be ETERNALLY PUT AWAY by God in a "position" of undetermined quantity other than a PERMANENT BYE BYE...

And, I can certainly CITE from scriptures that the DEVIL and his messengers ARE headed for THAT FATE...

And as believers, that certainly shouldn't bother us as that is a portion of our HOPE, is it NOT?

And if you HOPE that the DEVIL and his messengers are going to be SAVED, then I'd also challenge that a SINGLE SCRIPTURE be provided that grants those ENTITIES (please read) "SPECIFICALLY" any form of change or release from the Lake of Fire, or grants them (please read) "SPECIFICALLY" eternal life.

And again...there is none. Not a one.

enjoy!

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[Gary51]

I would challenge anyone who promotes that our fellow mankind, ANY of them, will be burned alive forever, eternally separated from God or eternally annihilated to

PROVE IT...

BY...providing a single (please read) "named human being" as an example from the entire Bible

OR...

even a single (please read) "named human being" as an example from the entire Bible even THREATENED with such a fate.

Just so ya know in advance, there is not a ONE. Nope, not a single named human example.

About as much as I have derived from this entire subject of "hell" or the "Lake of Fire" is that at some point, SIN, EVIL and DEATH will be ETERNALLY PUT AWAY by God in a "position" of undetermined quantity other than a PERMANENT BYE BYE...

And, I can certainly CITE from scriptures that the DEVIL and his messengers ARE headed for THAT FATE...

And as believers, that certainly shouldn't bother us as that is a portion of our HOPE, is it NOT?

And if you HOPE that the DEVIL and his messengers are going to be SAVED, then I'd also challenge that a SINGLE SCRIPTURE be provided that grants those ENTITIES (please read) "SPECIFICALLY" any form of change or release from the Lake of Fire, or grants them (please read) "SPECIFICALLY" eternal life.

And again...there is none. Not a one.

enjoy!

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I can't prove it... because it is not true... hell only means the grave... where the dead who know nothing are.

Hell, Hades, Sheol.... all have the same meaning.... the grave.

 

[squint]

I can't prove it... because it is not true...

Thank you!

Many "believers" have been "deceived" to the detriment of His Love for ALL mankind.

His Love does not equate to "eternal torture/separation/annihilation." Does not equate or compute on ANY basis.

I do believe that many things will be "eternally destroyed" scripturally speaking. Sin/evil/death. Yes. GONE at some point forever. How can that be "hell?" That will be GREAT JOY.

hell only means the grave... where the dead who know nothing are.

Is not our flesh a walking grave? Are we not bound with the "dead" here and now?

Hell, Hades, Sheol.... all have the same meaning.... the grave.

And perhaps we all come to realize sooner or later that these multiple terms and the dissection of what is to come are a tad bit more complex than Jack Chick terror cartoons?

enjoy!

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[Gary51]

Many "believers" have been "deceived" to the detriment of His Love for ALL mankind.

This is very true, and the deceived are unaware of the deception, so they can not see the truth of the Bible.

 

[squint]

This is very true, and the deceived are unaware of the deception, so they can not see the truth of the Bible.

And the more one upholds His Love for all mankind, the harder "the resistance" gets.

Interesting principles. Just as The Law amplifies and empowers SIN, Gods Love for all creates the arousal of severe resistance to same.

Yet that is how God has arranged the system.

 

[windjammer]

Hi I love the idea of all mankind being saved , I really do , but the reality is the works of mankind is what God judges , I hate evil , I really do
I was searching for one whom has perished under heaven and found ,THIS
Exd 17:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this [for] a memorial in a book, and rehearse [it] in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
Amalek: a people that licks up

Deu 29:20The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

but truthfully i will say this the Bible is the book of the dead [memorial and the BOOK of Life so no name but Jesus Christ [will be all in All] and to define salvation , I believe is where many are mistaken to just what it means .. but this is a what is hell thread , and way off track

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


the works determine the Judgments of Gods will ,

Im not trying to be negative , but realisitic .
like the fruit bearing [ his fathers business or HIS FATHERS business , two fathers ] cains was evil because he slew his brother
and Abels was righteous he tended sheep and offered the best [fat]to the Lord ..
peace

 

[squint]

Hi I love the idea of all mankind being saved , I really do , but the reality is the works of mankind is what God judges , I hate evil , I really do

You might consider that both positions can be held simultaneously.

What most christians fail to consider is the role of the DEVIL in sins. They blindly implicate ONLY their fellow man, and that in itself IS a working of the devil in mankind.

God not only can but DOES love all of mankind and God does hate all the workings of the devil and his messengers in the flesh.

I was searching for one whom has perished under heaven and found ,THIS
Exd 17:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this [for] a memorial in a book, and rehearse [it] in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

Well, that certainly is no foretell of eternal hell in writhing fire, eternal separation or annihilation for Amalek.

Amalek: a people that licks up

Deu 29:20The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

If you are Christ's YOU ALSO will receive a NEW NAME and more than likely your OLD NAME will be permanently discarded.

Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

but truthfully i will say this the Bible is the book of the dead [memorial and the BOOK of Life so no name but Jesus Christ [will be all in All] and to define salvation , I believe is where many are mistaken to just what it means .. but this is a what is hell thread , and way off track

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

the works determine the Judgments of Gods will ,

That's the irony of "christianity."

You see we KNOW we have sin that indwells us, and that sin is EVIL, but we "take" our forgiveness for same, whilst simultaneously CONDEMNING other people for the SAME CONDITION. In short, the actions of ripe hypocrisy.

Were God truly JUST Christians would be the FIRST IN LINE to fry alive. Why? Because the majority of christians openly condemn their fellow man to eternal torture in fire without any shame whatsoever, and they JUSTIFY themselves in the name of God.

Im not trying to be negative , but realisitic .

Or perhaps you just haven't been enabled to think these things through and bought someone else's short version?

You have to deal with the fact the the selling of the potential of "eternal torture in fire" is good for the coffers. An obviously effective business plan.

like the fruit bearing [ his fathers business or HIS FATHERS business , two fathers ] cains was evil because he slew his brother
and Abels was righteous he tended sheep and offered the best [fat]to the Lord ..
peace

The fact of the matters will remain. The devil and his messengers were openly revealed by Jesus to be UPON MANKIND. Satan spoke through Peter. Satan ENTERED Judas. Even Paul was given a special messenger of SATAN by God no less.

All of these showings should lead you to a most logical conclusion: that THE DEVIL and his messengers are UPON mankind, and THESE and these alone can bear the FULL BRUNT of Wrath, Condemnation and Eternal Judgment of God... and all of mankind CAN and WILL go FREE and Jesus is then an actual SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

But if you cannot discern "yourself" or your fellow man from "them" you will remain their slave of false hatred to your fellow man whom YOU have been commanded to LOVE.

enjoy!

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[windjammer]

Hey Squint ,

I dont want to want to make a railing accusation against anyone ok ,

my wisdom dont count for nothing , I trust Gods will for all mankind ,putting my faith in HIS Wisdom
His mercy is the greatest thing to know on earth ,
who dont need that huh?

and vengance is the Lords and He will repay .
We can all be greatful that HE ALONE is in charge and
receives All the Glory .

peace

 

[squint]

Hey Squint ,

I dont want to want to make a railing accusation against anyone ok ,

It's OK to rail against the works of darkness.

It is a dire mistake to place that railing upon Gods offspring, ALL mankind when there is SO OBVIOUSLY other parties involved in these workings.

When believers DIVIDE in that manner they can both FULFILL our obligations to LOVE all mankind...

While simultaneously understanding just "who" it is we fight against.

That is where The Word draws His Line and that LINE is not changing anytime soon. To BLUR that line brings confusions and an inability to LOVE and yet remain true to His Words. It's a tough gig, but a simple one once understood.

my wisdom dont count for nothing , I trust Gods will for all mankind ,putting my faith in HIS Wisdom
His mercy is the greatest thing to know on earth ,
who dont need that huh?

Amen to that.

and vengance is the Lords and He will repay .

True that as well.

We can all be greatful that HE ALONE is in charge and
receives All the Glory .

peace

No doubt. What I do hate is the promotion that "I don't condemn my fellow man but GOD DOES..."

God DOES condemn the works and workers of iniquity. When we see both ourselves and our fellow mankind as SLAVES rather than PERPETRATORS the line of division becomes abundantly clear in every scripture. We realize that there are TWO separate entity classes being addessed by WORD. ONE God Loves unequivocally. The OTHER He does NOT.

And both of these separate positions are currently upon every person. When Jesus condemned SATAN speaking thru PETER Jesus did NOT condemn Peter but SATAN. It is upon this understanding that HE BUILDS HIS CHURCH.

enjoy your Thanksgiving!

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[windjammer]

Happy thanks giving to you too
and I do think enough of my fellow mankind to pray for them Squint

and thank God for repentance and forgiveness ,IT IS of GOD !
the good works are Him
peace

 

[squint]

3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment?
4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

 

[Gary51]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WkzCladlPw0

This video is the truth about death... Hell only means the grave... this video will prove that.

 

[windjammer]

3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment?
4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

do repent often ,
some of the best times of my life were alone with God ,
there is a pure cleansing peace within , that no man knows
by just looking on the outside
peace

 

[windjammer]

3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment?
4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

knowing Gods mercy upon you makes you desire this for everyone who is suffering ..
yet the Lord makes you realize its for you own good
Heb 12
God Disciplines His Sons

1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses,

let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

2Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
4In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons:
"My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6because the Lord disciplines those he loves,
and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."[a]

its not always the devils whom we suffer
peace

 

[angelmom01]

This video is the truth about death... Hell only means the grave... this video will prove that.

Hello Gary,

There is more to "death" then just that which is physical, right?

We live in a body "of death" and until we pass from DEATH unto LIFE, we are "dead in sin" having "no life" in us, being "full of dead men's bones" with a THROAT that is an "open sepulcher".

And Sheol and Hades are not the only two words in scripture that are translated as "hell", right? And, as I see it, even they can refer to more than our physical "grave", which is (to me) a natural shadow of a spiritual reality.

Hades means "unseen" and we know that "our life" IS HID with Christ in God UNTIL He who is our life SHALL APPEAR, then we shall APPEAR with Him IN GLORY (Christ IN YOU, the hope OF GLORY).

This would be when we receive the adoption OF SONS and isn't it THE MANIFESTATION of THE SONS of God that we wait for?

But even understanding what Sheol and Hades mean, does little to address "hell fire" (Gehenna fire).

However, we know that it is THE TONGUE that is "a world of iniquity, set on fire of hell" (and it was the rich man's TONGUE, in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, that he wanted COOLED, he being "tormented in this flame".

Lots of spiritual truths are lost when we look at only those things which ARE SEEN (natural, temporal) rather than those things which ARE NOT SEEN (spiritual, eternal).

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


We are to "rightly divide the word of truth" and "compare spiritual things with spiritual", right?

Part of that (IMHO) is being able to separate the shadows (natural, temporal) from the realities (spiritual, eternal).

ie the physical "grave" vs "the body of this death"

 

[squint]

This video is the truth about death... Hell only means the grave... this video will prove that.

The only "proof" in the presentation of "soul sleep" is that it is (yet another) controversial and debated presentation. Certainly far from uncontested "truth."

It is such because there are many scriptures that cannot be addressed by the soul sleep presentation and many that are in direct contradiction with scriptures.

And why one would render Word, which is "spiritual" in nature as being away from the "paranormal" (with no scientific explanation) is also a ridiculous premise in that video. The Word has a "supernatural" basis.

Unfortunately or not, when it comes to any understanding of the "afterlife" all of our individual perspectives will remain murky at best.

Paul bowed to this fact somewhat here:

1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

And what has been "prepared" can be what will transpire from our "moment" of departure from the flesh. We get glimpses, but even those glimpses are by nature very intangible to our present perceptions.

enjoy!

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