How to kill Palestinians

[thereselittleflower]

Sorry- this will never, ever happen. As long as the Palestians can't believe and accept this, they will get absolutely nothing but more war, misery, and destruction.

Why can't you accept that the only way forward is to do what the Egyptians and Jordanians did- forget the past and move forward in peace and harmony.

Servant, why cannot you not see that only if Political Zionism, with all its policies and agendas, comes to a complete and utter end, and true democracy takes its place can the middle east move foreward.

As long as Political Zionism exists and has the power to influence the government of Israel and its laws and policies, such a movement forward will be impossible.

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[Servant222]

The oppression of the Palestinians by the government of Israel will continue until one of two things happens.

1) they succeed in drivng the Palestinians to the point of utter and total hopelessness so that they can control the Palestinians easily, or

2) Political zionism, and its racist, terrorist policies come to an utter end, so a NEW Israel and Palestine can emerge governend by true democracy from this horrendous situation that exists today.

3. The Palestinian terrorists renounce their satanic ways, and accept Jesus and His teachings. Then peace is guaranteed to come.

 

[Servant222]

Democracy must be accompanied by freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the rule of law, and a renouncement of violence.

As long as this doesn't happen, the Palestinians will continue to keep killing themselves, as the OP suggests.

 

[thereselittleflower]

3. The Palestinian terrorists renounce their satanic ways, and accept Jesus and His teachings. Then peace is guaranteed to come.

If you are going to call the Palestinian terrorist's ways satanic, then you have to do the same for the Israeli Zionist terrorist ways . . .

Such a lopsided view of the facts as you have been promoting here is not conducive to either underestanding the problem or what is needed for a solution.

The Jewish Zionists started terrorizing the Palestinians first, as far back as the 1800's. Until this is rectified, there can be no peace. Since the Palestinian terrorism is nothing more than a reaction to the deliberate terrorism by the Jewish Zionists, as soon as this is rectified, the Palestinian terrorism will naturally stop as the reason for the reaction will be gone.

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[thereselittleflower]

Democracy must be accompanied by freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the rule of law, and a renouncement of violence.

None of which is true of Israel today. And there is no equal treatment of its citizens. Israel as a democracy exists only for the Jews . . only the Jews enjoy equality under the law of Israel. . . all others are treated as less equal, which is racism in action.

This must change first. Otherwise, the fuel for the reaction by the Palestinians will continue to feed the fire. To quench the fire, the fuel source must be cut off.

Political zionism is the fuel source. It must be cut off.

As long as this doesn't happen, the Palestinians will continue to keep killing themselves, as the OP suggests.

No . . that is not the fundamental reason . . . Zionism, its policies, agendas, and implementation of the same is the fundamental reason . .

Only by dealing with the cause at its most fundamental source can a true and lasting solution be found.

Zionism and the Palestinians cannot co-exist peacefully by definition of Zionism.


This is what you must focus on.

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[Servant222]

People that deliberately blow themselves up and indiscriminately kill and gruesomely maim men, woman, children of every race and religion can only be soldiers of the devil.

Jesus in Matthew 7 said:

15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

Surely, suicide bombings and the indiscriminate firing of hundreds of rockets every month into populated places is not an example of bearing good fruit.

 

[Carey]

Democracy must be accompanied by freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the rule of law, and a renouncement of violence.

As long as this doesn't happen, the Palestinians will continue to keep killing themselves, as the OP suggests.

If a democracy allows freedom of Islam their cannot be true renouncement of violence.


Because the quran demands violence of its followers.

 

[Touma]

My gosh Hitler ...blah blah blah

Ah I heard was "when I can't prove my point other wise, I'll use a godwin"

 

[Tanakh]

Ah I heard was "when I can't prove my point other wise, I'll use a godwin"

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[Tanakh]

So you are saying you don't need proof?

If someone comes to you and says they are a Jew, they don't need to prove it?

I hardly think so . . otherwise, you wouldn't need the proof their mother was a Jew. . .

So your question is frivolous and a red herring.

You made the claim that a true Jew was descended from the 12 tribes.

So prove that the Jews today are descended from the 12 tribes.

It is your claim.

Your claim has been challenged.

The burden of proof is on you.

Yes, I demand proof.

Without such proof, your claims are a empty as the wind.


The issue is, YOU CAN'T prove that you or any other person calling themselves a Jew are descended from the 12 tribes . . .


And there in lies your very real problem and very big hole you have dug for yourself.


You cannot prove that any person alive today has any claim on the Land promised to Abraham . . . .


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That is like me asking you to prove if the Catholic church of today is the one of 1900 years ago. Can you Catholics prove your popes are in a direct line to Jesus?

Do you believe that their are not any true Jews in the world today because if so the burden of proof is not on me but on you for thinking so. And if we do not have any claim then the "Palestinians" do not have any claim therefore we can just come in and do whatever we want to with them. In that case I would support a rebellion by the American Indians to get ALL of their land back and if that means they were to use suicide bombing as a means to do that then good for them. Because after all the United States cannot say that it was the original owners of the land therefore we must destroy the United States and give it back to its rightful owners; would you support this after all this land does belong to the Indians?

 

[Tanakh]

You really need a reality check regarding what you think is history.



I will talk to you about anything I feel like talking to you about!

Do NOT presume that you can order me around young man.




I have already asnwered that question, weren't you paying attention? Is this how you "study" history too?

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Why do I need a reality check? The church is responsible for the murder of millions around the world so no I am not delusional in this at all. Do not presume to tell me that we Zionists are the ones causing the trouble around the world when your church has done more evil to people then any other religion on earth and Islam is not to far behind.

Tomas De Torquemada sound familiar!

 

[Tanakh]

Not according to the Laws of Israel . . . . .

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What the secular Israel or the real Israel.

 

[Tanakh]

So, this world belongs to the Jews to dispose of however they wish?


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No the world does not belong to us Jews but to G-d and Israel belongs to us Jews so if the world dares to invade Israel then the nations who attacked and their allies will be punished.

 

[Tanakh]

How was he protecting himself?

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You tell me. If a raging mob is attacking you what are you going to do just stand their and let them? The mob provoked him and he did the only thing he could which was to fight back.

 

[Tanakh]

Baloney Tanakh!

You earlier said that goyim could not convert to Judaism!

Now you are saying that if they do, they become descendents of Abraham and true Jews!

You can't have your cake and eat it too.


And no, someone who converts and is born of stock not descended biologically from Abraham is NOT decended from Abraham.

Descent is a matter of BIOLOGICS, not a issue of faith.

So, you are proving to us even further that no one can prove they are descended from Abraham Isaac and Jacob today . .

NO ONE.

So, since the promises given to Abraham only applied to his SEED, ie BIOOGICAL DESCENDENTS from him, there is no one today who can prove they would be the heirs of his promises.

So there is no one today who can make ANY legitimate claim to this land even if the promises were still in effect.

This only goes to prove further that they are no longer in effect!




Following the law may make a person a religious Jew, but that does not and can never make them suddenly BIOLOGICALLY DECENDED from Abraham . . .

Only BIOLOGICAL DESCENT can do so . . . .

You are from a family of converts aren't you . . . .




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I never said they could not convert I simply said they should not as they must adhere to all the laws therefore a convert must be completely sincere otherwise the conversion is for nothing. Obviously a convert is not necessarily biologically a direct descendant of Abraham but that does not mean their (future) spouse is not and if one is then their children will of course have direct lineage. It is both biological and apart of faith. When someone converts they enter into the covenant of Abraham so don't use this as your excuse for saying the promise is no longer in effect because it is always in effect. Are you now dictating to me what a Jew is and is not? Hmmm.......I suppose that you want to become the law giver now is that it.

 

[Tanakh]

Inexcusable!

This physical wall is merely an extention of the already existing IRON WALL Policies and agendas of the Zionist goverment and military in Israel.

And this physical extention of the IRON WALL is built primarily well within Palestinian lands, cutting people off from each other and their own fields, denying them the ability to earn a living, effectively annexing thousands upon thousands of acres to Israel, simply by the simple fact they are now on the wrong side of the wall.

This wal extends and intensifies the IRON WALL's effects that have been in place for almost a century.



Which only shows you how effective the IRON WALL has been to cause the Palestinains to be reduced to such acts. And this only goes to show how effective this IRON WALL policy has been in brushing aside the moderate, more sane, voices in Israel.

All the government had to do was incite the Palestinians long enough, and then sit back and watch it all unravel to the betterment of their cause.




Of course it did what it was superficially claimed to do . . . . and it has done much, much, MUCH more . . . .

And there is still more to come . . . .

The oppression of the Palestinians by the gvernment of Israel will continue until one of two things happens.

1) they succeed in drivng the Palestinians to the point of utter and total hopelessness so that they can control the Palestinians easily, or

2) Political zionism, and its racist, terrorist policies come to an utter end, so a NEW Israel and Palestine can emerge governend by true democracy from this horrendous situation that exists today.

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Are you saying that a wall is the cause of suicide bombing? Because if that it so then the very existence of the "Palestinians" is the cause of me wanting to kill them. You say that all Israel has to do is make the "Palestinians" anger boil over to the point that they would be justified in reacting to them yet how does suicide bombings or rocket attacks or the killing of Jewish children lead to the betterment of their cause. The only outcome that is acceptable is for the "Palestinians" to stop their intifada and thus become peacefull (this I guarantee you will never happen) or their total destruction as the 2 state "solution" is not going to lead to any form of peace, ever.

 

[Tanakh]

If you are going to call the Palestinian terrorist's ways satanic, then you have to do the same for the Israeli Zionist terrorist ways . . .

Such a lopsided view of the facts as you have been promoting here is not conducive to either underestanding the problem or what is needed for a solution.

The Jewish Zionists started terrorizing the Palestinians first, as far back as the 1800's. Until this is rectified, there can be no peace. Since the Palestinian terrorism is nothing more than a reaction to the deliberate terrorism by the Jewish Zionists, as soon as this is rectified, the Palestinian terrorism will naturally stop as the reason for the reaction will be gone.

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Are you willing to bet the lives of millions if Zionism ends that the "Palestinians" will stop? Because the "Palestinians" will not stop until they have all of "Palestine" and every Jew is killed, they want all of Israel.

 

[gwynedd1]

People that deliberately blow themselves up and indiscriminately kill and gruesomely maim men, woman, children of every race and religion can only be soldiers of the devil.

Jesus in Matthew 7 said:

15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

Surely, suicide bombings and the indiscriminate firing of hundreds of rockets every month into populated places is not an example of bearing good fruit.

Hello Servant222,

I agree. However are you applying this equally? To be clear I am not contending for Palestinians or Islam. I am also not contending for Israel or Jews(as in Judaism). I am contending for Christ and his followers to act like it. What side is there to take?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5299938.stm

Indiscriminate bombing is it not? Who's side are you on? Which side of random death to you see as the right one?

 

[gwynedd1]

Why do I need a reality check? The church is responsible for the murder of millions around the world so no I am not delusional in this at all. Do not presume to tell me that we Zionists are the ones causing the trouble around the world when your church has done more evil to people then any other religion on earth and Islam is not to far behind.

Tomas De Torquemada sound familiar!

Hello Tanakh,

You cannot have it both ways. You ask the question of the difference between secular Israel true Israel. There is a distinction between doing something in truth and doing something in its name. In the case of Israel I absolutely agree with you. However this applies to the church and so called crusaders. There is nothing to support the murder done in Christ's name in the actual scriptures.
One of the more obvious examples of this problem are Sabbatian and Frankist Jews.

http://www.donmeh-west.com/frankintro.shtml

Unfortunately much of world Jewry seems ignorant to the possibility that these forces exist within them. Christianity is also ignorant that it also has been corrupted by this group in the name of Christian Zionism and the latter day movement such as Mormons and JWs etc that mirror this. Frank's followers were known to mass convert to Christianity, Islam while others maintained their so called Jewish identity.


For you Christian Zionists does this not look familiar? Now you know were you got it from.

• Frank predicts the impending slaughter of the Jews in all the major and minor nations of Europe as part of the apocalypse.
• The salvation of the Jews rests upon their accepting the faith of Edom, i.e., Rome.
• Jacob Frank is the reincarnation of Jacob the patriarch.
• Jacob Frank will lead Israel's redemption by conquering the world, including the Catholic Church.

Not all of it is the same but The beliefs of Jacob Frank are alive and well today in sects of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.

http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/032007/heretic.html

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Oh, and that Jewish-Masonic conspiracy that anti-Semites often talk about? Not entirely fiction — one follower of Frank, Moses Dobruska, was in fact a prominent Jacobin and powerful Freemason who went under the name of Junius Frey. He ran arms during the French Revolution, and may have spied for Austria. He was later executed by guillotine. [/FONT]

It is actually a single belief represented in all three major faiths. They all want the same thing, war.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0218/p11s01-lire.html

 

[Rion]

Horsefeathers!

The Jewish zionists started doing it to the Palestinians way before the Palestinians did it to the Israelis. . . .

You really need to investigate the history of this conflict much more deeply, for otherwise, such "hunches" as you have go far afield of the facts. . . .

Oh, I've studied the history of it real well. I don't give Israel anything like a free pass, yet I can look at the history of the entire conflict and see that, while Israel is a fairly deep shade of gray, the PLO is fullfledged midnight black.

Israel has never, as far as I recall, sent suicide bombers into Palestine, demanded that the entire Palestinian nation be utterly wiped out, or thrown grenades into school buildings. If you have proof otherwise, please share.

As for the rest of you, I'd suggest you just stop arguing with TLF. This is not a flame, just a general observation: The last time I argued with her, she denied that most of the reported deaths from the Inquisition happened, and actually tried to justify some of it via claiming that heretics/Jews had falsely converted to gain power in the Church.

Don't flame her, don't argue with her, just pray for her.