What ARE The Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven anyhow?

[Fireinfolding]

Just helps me harmonize the Bible better. Too many translations use different english words for the same greek word-----thus confusion. Ahh well...........

Reve 12:7 And became battle in the Heaven, the Miyka'el and the messengers of him, battle with the Dragon, and the Dragon battles and the messengers of him 8 and not he is strong, neither [was] Place/topoV <5117> was found of Them still in the heaven.

Reve 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the land and the Heaven fled away. And there was found no Place/topoV <5117> for Them.

Lamb it might help you but Jack is right (just not his way) because its hard to read.

It takes straining to see past the words and numbers. I agravate the crap out of people just in color overload add the numbers and greek/hebrew it becomes more difficult.

Try leaving those out if you must post them, only to make it easier on your readers. Thats all.

Peace bro

Fireinfolding

 

[Rick Otto]

Hey Jackus Maximus,...
allow me to invite you to chill out with us over here for a bit, dude:
http://foru.ms/t6079621-aw-heck-this-is-a-semi-privy-area-right.html

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Lamb it might help you but Jack is right (just not his way) because its hard to read.

It takes straining to see past the words and numbers. I agravate the crap out of people just in color overload add the numbers and greek/hebrew it becomes more difficult.

Try leaving those out if you must post them, only to make it easier on your readers. Thats all.

Peace bro

Fireinfolding

For what it is worth... Thanks!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

HUH???

Revelation is all one event, some views from "heaven", some from the "land". I thought catholics knew that?

JOHN 5:45 " No you be supposing that I shall be accusing of ye toward the Father. Is the one accusing/kathgorwn<2723> (5723) of Ye-- Moses, into whom you have relied. 46 For if ye believed to Moses, ye believed ever to Me. For about of Me that one Writes. 47 If yet to the, of that one, Writings not ye are believing, how to My declarations ye shall be believing?"

Reve 12:10 And I hear great sound in the Heaven saying: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser/kathgoroV <2725> of the brothers of us, the one accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) them in sight of the God of us, of day and of night.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Hey Jackus Maximus,...
allow me to invite you to chill out with us over here for a bit, dude:
http://foru.ms/t6079621-aw-heck-this-is-a-semi-privy-area-right.html

You want to know a face to a name... sure.

I will have to find a container from my site that has my family pictures.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I did not have an insult given...

Ok so its ok to call his goobley gauk but if he turned it around on you, you sure didnt like it did you?

How bout you???

Absolutely thats why I can agree with you on your point concerning Lambs post I can disagree with your approach. You disagreed with Lambs, or are you the only one who can do that?

I could say the same for you...

Yeah you could when I am, you also could when I'm not. Your free to do whatever you please as before our God.

In your opinion. You know what they say about those...

As is yours, and since they are just that (and you give yours) Im free to give mine as well.

Its good you see these things.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Revelation is all one event, some views from "heaven", some from the "land". I thought catholics knew that?

There is much to be said about the Apocalypse. And much that can only be guessed...

have ya ever heard that the Apocalypse speaks of the Temple being desicrated and that of the Chrisitans going to Mount Pella?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Its good you see these things.

Peace then

 

[Fireinfolding]

For what it is worth... Thanks!

Your welcome, because I do agree with you, just not the way you did it Jack.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is much to be said about the Apocalypse. And much that can only be guessed...

have ya ever heard that the Apocalypse speaks of the Temple being desicrated and that of the Chrisitans going to Mount Pella?

A lot of the Jewish Christ-ians were also taken by the Romans. They were actually the "lucky" ones.

Luke 21:20 `And when ye may see Jerusalem surrounded by encampments, then know that come nigh did her desolation;........
28 Beginning yet to be becoming the-these, up-bend ye!, and on-lift ye!, the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing/eggizei <1448> (5719) the redemption/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye

 

[JacktheCatholic]

A lot of the Jewish Christ-ians were also taken by the Romans. They were actually the "lucky" ones.

Luke 21:20 `And when ye may see Jerusalem surrounded by encampments, then know that come nigh did her desolation;........
28 Beginning yet to be becoming the-these, up-bend ye!, and on-lift ye!, the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing/eggizei <1448> (5719) the redemption/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye

HUH???

I do not see your connection to my post...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

HUH???

I do not see your connection to my post...

That verse in revelation 20 is interesting as that is the only time in revelation "surrounded" is used.

Trying to harmonize that to Luke 21:20 is a challenge.

Luke 21:20 `Whenever yet ye may be seeing being surrounded/kukloumenhn<2944> by war-feet/strato-pedwn <4760>, Jerusalem, then be ye knowing that has neared the desolating of her

Reve 20:9 And they did ascend/anebhsan <305> over the breadth of the land, and did surround/ekuklwsan <2944> the camp/parembolhn <3925> of the saints, and the city, the one having been loved, and there came down fire from God out of the heaven, and devoured them;

Acts 23:10 Of yet a great dissension/standing becoming, being afraid, the thousand-chief lest the Paul be being pulled to pieces by them, commands the war-troop/strateuma <4753> descending to snatch-him/arpasai <726> (5658) out of midst of them to be leading besides into the camp/parembolhn <3925>.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Reve 20:9 And they did ascend/anebhsan <305> over the breadth of the land, and did surround/ekuklwsan <2944> the camp/parembolhn <3925> of the saints, and the city, the one having been loved, and there came down fire from God out of the heaven, and devoured them;

Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us

Good quote!!!

It is intereresting that the form of the greek word used for "cloud" in that verse is used only that one time in the whole NT. Interesting.

Hebrews 12:1 Therefore let us also, seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud/nefoV <3509> of witnesses,

I decided to look up where else that word for "breath" of the land is used. Ephesians 3 and Revelation 21 showed up.

Ephes 3:18 That ye should be being strong to be grasping together to-all the saints, what the breadth/platoV <4114>, and length/mhkoV <3372>, and depth/baqoV <899>, and height/uyoV <5311>,

Romans 11:33 O depth/baqoV <899> of riches, and of wisdom and of knowledge of God! how unsearchable His judgments, and untraceable the ways of Him!

Reve 21:16 And the city four-cornered is-lying, and the length/mhkoV <3372> of her as much as even the breadth/platoV <4114>. And he measures the city to the reed upon stadias twelve thousands, the length/mhkoV <3372> and the breath/platoV <4114> and the height/uyoV <5311> of her equals is

 

[JacktheCatholic]

What I posted...

There is much to be said about the Apocalypse. And much that can only be guessed...

have ya ever heard that the Apocalypse speaks of the Temple being desicrated and that of the Chrisitans going to Mount Pella?

What you replied...

A lot of the Jewish Christ-ians were also taken by the Romans. They were actually the "lucky" ones.

Luke 21:20 `And when ye may see Jerusalem surrounded by encampments, then know that come nigh did her desolation;........
28 Beginning yet to be becoming the-these, up-bend ye!, and on-lift ye!, the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing/eggizei <1448> (5719) the redemption/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye

I was a bit confused...

I went to look for this little gem that I was trying to recall and it is not from Revelation but Matthew.

Check my next post...

 

[squint]

Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us

I have posed this question to many Jack, and to you also...

HOW do "we" as believers propose to achieve this seeing as how we cannot say we have no sin and be "in Truth" (1 John 1:8)

 

[Fireinfolding]

I have posed this question to many Jack, and to you also...

HOW do "we" as believers propose to achieve this seeing as how we cannot say we have no sin and be "in Truth" (1 John 1:8)

Squint I think its in the saying part, look at Job in relation to SAYING he was perfect (even though GOD says He was) HE was not allowed to do that (as He knew too) in doing that even he says it would actually PROVE HIM perverse. The same goes for the SAYING we are without sin (it appears to be in the SAYING) and again "there" it says we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Job 9:20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Just as Paul said, Not AS THOUGH I were already perfect (in one breath) YET says he speaks a wisdom among those that ARE PERFECT. It appears he could acknowledge others (as so being) but not himself.

I thought that was interesting, I thought I saved a post I made on it but I didnt.

 

[squint]

Squint I think its in the saying part, look at Job in relation to SAYING he was perfect (even though GOD says He was) HE was not allowed to do that

Why not?

(I liked your previous post btw fif. Very "insightful." If I knew how to send you rep, I would have, but I haven't figured it out yet...

(as He knew too) in doing that even he says it would actually PROVE HIM perverse.

In comparison to God, yes, but God has given us as His, HIS measure of Perfection, yet we also know that Perfection, as God Is, NEVER ENDS eh?

The same goes for the SAYING we are without sin (it appears to be in the SAYING) and again "there" it says we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

And that remains a truthful measure and one who is HIS will not "deny" that statement because to do so is to NOT be in Truth eh?

So my question remains, even as the answer for this question has already been addressed in this thread.

Job 9:20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

Ah, but we also know that Job was both "corrected" and "restored" don't we? The mouth of Job is not the mouth of Gods Word.

1John 1:8 If we saythat we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Verrry true. Yet we also have the prior observation, and others, that we are to SEPARATE ourselves "from" iniquity. So my dear one, HOW do YOU propose that transpires in the light of the truth that John lays before us?

Just as Paul said, Not AS THOUGH I were already perfect (in one breath) YET says he speaks a wisdom among those that ARE PERFECT. It appears he could acknowledge others (as so being) but not himself.

I would measure no Child of God as anything less than perfect and ALL MANKIND are Gods offspring...so where then should we GO with these types of admonitions? You do realize that God has planted A GAFFE, a SHILL, a GOAT IN OUR FLESH AND MINDS to lay these things upon do you not?

I thought that was interesting, I thought I saved a post I made on it but I didnt.

We get what we measure...what we bind is BOUND and there are "some" (not our fellow man) who SHOULD AND ARE bound by the measure of Gods Words..."these" are not Gods offspring whom all mankind are...

Please refer to my post about SATAN in PETER and you may see what The Word was "delivering" into our hands on this matter.

enjoy!

squint

 

[JacktheCatholic]

From Matthew 24:

1 Jesus left the temple area and was going away, when his disciples approached him to point out the temple buildings. 2 He said to them in reply, "You see all these things, do you not? Amen, I say to you, there will not be left here a stone upon another stone that will not be thrown down."

Jesus is making his prophesie right?

He was speaking of the place where the Jewish people made their sacrifices. The Temple that was built for God and the Holy of Holies. A place that was made to represent the World.

Jesus said more like things to watch for...

Then he says:

15 "When you see the desolating abomination spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those in Judea must flee to the mountains

He says when they see the desolating abomination from Daniel. What is this he is speaking of?

"The desolating abomination: in 167 B.C. the Syrian king Antiochus IV Epiphanes desecrated the temple by setting up in it a statue of Zeus Olympios" from 1 Macc 1:54 On the fifteenth day of the month Chislev, in the year one hundred and forty-five, the king erected the horrible abomination upon the altar of holocausts, and in the surrounding cities of Judah they built pagan altars


Jesus also mentions that they must flee to the mountains...

But WHEN?

Jesus says;
34 Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.
With in ONE generation these things would come to pass. I think we have a couple of things happening here...

First I think we have a fulfilled prophesy from the first generation. Secondly, I think this also foretells a greater Tribulation for the end of all times.

But how did this happen in the first generation?

If we are to believe the Greek then a generation would be 40 years. Well... what happened around 70 AD which was 40 years from 30 AD or when Christ spoke this approximately. The Romans took the Temple from the Jews and many things led up to this day. There were hundreds of thousands of Jews that died trying to protect their Temple. So we had rumors of war and we have war. We have many of those things Jesus spoke of happening. But what about the skay falling and such? Obviously this is one way of saying the end of time. But can we see the Temple, which was created to represent the world, be a first representation of what is to come? Can the Temple being destroyed be this first representation of the end of the world? For the Jews I am sure it was.

Then what about the line about the desolating abomination? Did you know that when the Romans took the temple the first thing they did was to place a statue of an eagle in the temple for worship? Just like the story of Daniel when the Syrian King placed a statue of Zeus Olympios. This desocrated the Temple.

And what about fleeing to the mountains? Did you know that at this time in history all the Chrisitans fled to Mount Pella and were not there when the Roman soldiers took and destroyed the Temple?

So, millions of Jews died and the Chrisitans were safe on Mount Pella.

Cool huh?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I have posed this question to many Jack, and to you also...

HOW do "we" as believers propose to achieve this seeing as how we cannot say we have no sin and be "in Truth" (1 John 1:8)

I would look in this chapter to line 24...

"Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant"

It is through Jesus, the Lamb, that we are saved. Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for us and paid for our sins. But there is more...