I’ve stood around too long’

[Ringo84]

First, don't wear things that associate you with the feminine gender.

Items that would associate you with the female gender are a bra, a skirt, panties, dresses and the like. A pink shirt does not qualify.

Second, it was not him, it was two other boys who came up with this limp-wristed idea of pink t-shirts.

How is it "limp-wristed"? It's a shirt. Just because it's colored pink does not make it any more "feminine" than anything you wear.

wear manly colors.

What are "manly colors"? Why are there "manly" colors in the first place? The problem here is not your idea that the kid in question was "limp-wristed" but that we have associated things like colors with cultural phenomena such as gender. Pink is not a male or female color - it's just a color.

I guess I am older than most of you here.

You don't act like it.

In my days in school, we just faced the bully, or stayed bullied forever. I never knuckled under to the bullies. I fought back. I was in quiet a few scraps when I was a youngster. One thing that I learned from my father was, if someone is picking on you, you first walk away and try to avoid a fight. Sometimes this works. After that if he keeps it up, (remember this is my dad saying this) "you pick up a stick and wrap it across his face". My dad grew up in the south Bronx in a real rough side of town. He would also talk all the time about picking up an "ash-can" and smack it across the guys head. Which always sounded funny to me and my brothers since we grew up in L.A.. There are no "ash-cans" in L.A.. All you New Yorkers can probably relate to the "ash-can" thing. The real point of the moral is, don't let someone bully you or he will keep doing it.

That's easy for you to say. I was bullied in middle school for no reason other than the fact that I was different. The idea of fighting back against bullies looks good on paper but it's not as easy in practice. I doubt you were even bullied in school and therefore had a problem. Considering how you have more defended the bullies and blamed the victim, you seem more like the type that was the bully - not the bullied.

But flying pink/feminine colors would have never ever happened in my day. It would have only brought ten times more persecution. I also wonder if there hasn't been any back-lash against these pink boys. The story doesn't say anything about that. However, I can guarantee you that these pink boys are the butt of many jokes now on that campus. I played football when I was in high school, and I can tell you from experience that the coaches are probably using these pink boys as an example of --let's just say something less than... Well I think you get the picture.

There are no "feminine colors".

The very fact that we are discussing this shows you that I am right.

But you aren't right. Your stance on the matter has been: "well, the boy was wearing quote-unquote 'feminine colors' and therefore deserved what he got". That's what a bully who's trying to make himself feel better says - not someone who's giving the "issue" (why is this even an issue?) a fair shake.
Ringo

 

[Harpuia]

Items that would associate you with the female gender are a bra, a skirt, panties, dresses and the like. A pink shirt does not qualify.



How is it "limp-wristed"? It's a shirt. Just because it's colored pink does not make it any more "feminine" than anything you wear.



What are "manly colors"? Why are there "manly" colors in the first place? The problem here is not your idea that the kid in question was "limp-wristed" but that we have associated things like colors with cultural phenomena such as gender. Pink is not a male or female color - it's just a color.



You don't act like it.



That's easy for you to say. I was bullied in middle school for no reason other than the fact that I was different. The idea of fighting back against bullies looks good on paper but it's not as easy in practice. I doubt you were even bullied in school and therefore had a problem. Considering how you have more defended the bullies and blamed the victim, you seem more like the type that was the bully - not the bullied.



There are no "feminine colors".



But you aren't right. Your stance on the matter has been: "well, the boy was wearing quote-unquote 'feminine colors' and therefore deserved what he got". That's what a bully who's trying to make himself feel better says - not someone who's giving the "issue" (why is this even an issue?) a fair shake.
Ringo

Whenever an issue on bullying ensues, I do notice that right-wingers tend to defend the bully more than the victim, saying that the victim had it coming.

That kind of reasoning is just sick and disgusting. And they wonder why they're so hated by reasonable people.

 

[happydance]

To his defense, he isn't really "defending" the bullies... but he is leaving the victim in a much worse situation than if they had done this.

Whenever an issue on bullying ensues, I do notice that right-wingers tend to defend the bully more than the victim, saying that the victim had it coming.

That kind of reasoning is just sick and disgusting. And they wonder why they're so hated by reasonable people.

Does this mean you agree with my initial assessment?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

The sixth of the ten commandments reads, “Thou shall not kill.”

Yet your uncle was killing the Japanese.

Why do you almost have a stroke when people are wearing pink when you type [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]

"5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. --Deut. 22"

Why do you illustrate you are the "real man" because you were in the army, along with your other family members and he was killing Japanese etc etc..... how this is such a manly thing to do.. when it goes against Gods word... yet wearing a certain colour is so wrong? But killing in the war make you and your family the "real men"

Can you not see you are wrong?



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Sorry to burst your bubble, but God has plenty to say about the army and war. God has no problem with soldiers. You also need to learn Hebrew. Or at least understand that what you are quoting the scripture incorrectly. The 1611 King James Bible renders the passage 'Thou shall not kill'. It should be rendered "You shall not do murder". That is the literal translation of the passage.

God Himself kills! See the flood.

As far as being proud of mine and my families military service; I am glad that we never burnt our draft cards and we fought for our country!!! U.S. Army, Hoorah!

It is a wonderful thing to be a soldier and defend your country. It is good to defend your families and those you love! It is a good thing. No matter how much you hate the army or any of the military services, it is only because of us who you hate that you are able to have the freedom you are using right now.

It is a manly thing to be tough. It is a good thing to be tough. It is not good for a man to act like a woman.

You want your man to be a wimp, good for you. I am not nor will I ever be. And I will encourage all young men to be tough and be manly.

I am a man. It is good to be manly if you are a man. And there is nothing that you can do about that.

The feminization of America is evil. Stop it now.

 

[Harpuia]

Does this mean you agree with my initial assessment?

I didn't at first. But I see where you and Ringo are coming from now.

Thing is, I've been bullied a lot in my childhood. I was always told that it was my fault that I put myself in that situation. This situation reminds me a lot of that.

That and I am very tired.

 

[Ringo84]

It is a manly thing to be tough. It is a good thing to be tough. It is not good for a man to act like a woman.

You want your man to be a wimp, good for you. I am not nor will I ever be. And I will encourage all young men to be tough and be manly.

I am a man. It is good to be manly if you are a man. And there is nothing that you can do about that.

The feminization of America is evil. Stop it now.

"Feminized" because they wore a pink shirt? Whatever you say.
Ringo

 

[Ringo84]

Thing is, I've been bullied a lot in my childhood. I was always told that it was my fault that I put myself in that situation. This situation reminds me a lot of that.

I was bullied in middle school, so I'm in the same boat. I have a BIG problem with people who were never bullied themselves trying to blame the victim as though it was all his or her fault for being bullied. That's both incredibly hateful and insensitive.
Ringo

 

[nightflight]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but God has plenty to say about the army and war. God has no problem with soldiers. You also need to learn Hebrew. Or at least understand that what you are quoting the scripture incorrectly. The 1611 King James Bible renders the passage 'Thou shall not kill'. It should be rendered "You shall not do murder". That is the literal translation of the passage.

God Himself kills! See the flood.

As far as being proud of mine and my families military service; I am glad that we never burnt our draft cards and we fought for our country!!! U.S. Army, Hoorah!

It is a wonderful thing to be a soldier and defend your country. It is good to defend your families and those you love! It is a good thing. No matter how much you hate the army or any of the military services, it is only because of us who you hate that you are able to have the freedom you are using right now.

It is a manly thing to be tough. It is a good thing to be tough. It is not good for a man to act like a woman.

You want your man to be a wimp, good for you. I am not nor will I ever be. And I will encourage all young men to be tough and be manly.

I am a man. It is good to be manly if you are a man. And there is nothing that you can do about that.

The feminization of America is evil. Stop it now.

I'm starting to think you are a very clever troll.

Or Peter S. Ruckman.

 

[Harpuia]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but God has plenty to say about the army and war. God has no problem with soldiers. You also need to learn Hebrew. Or at least understand that what you are quoting the scripture incorrectly. The 1611 King James Bible renders the passage 'Thou shall not kill'. It should be rendered "You shall not do murder". That is the literal translation of the passage.

I forgot the verse where he says we should beat up a kid for wearing a pink shirt.

God Himself kills! See the flood.

To renew the Earth. It was a one-time deal and according to the OLD testament, God created a rainbow so he'd never do it again.

Oops.

As far as being proud of mine and my families military service; I am glad that we never burnt our draft cards and we fought for our country!!! U.S. Army, Hoorah!

It is a wonderful thing to be a soldier and defend your country. It is good to defend your families and those you love! It is a good thing. No matter how much you hate the army or any of the military services, it is only because of us who you hate that you are able to have the freedom you are using right now.[/quote]

Hey, I can't ding you for that. I have 3 friends in the Air Force.

It is a manly thing to be tough. It is a good thing to be tough. It is not good for a man to act like a woman.

You want your man to be a wimp, good for you. I am not nor will I ever be. And I will encourage all young men to be tough and be manly.

And kill those that don't, right?

I am a man. It is good to be manly if you are a man. And there is nothing that you can do about that.

The feminization of America is evil. Stop it now.

The Christianization of America is evil. Stop it now.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

I'm starting to think you are a very clever troll.

Or Peter S. Ruckman.

What you think means nothing to me. I hope you understand that.

There has been a deliberate attack on masculinity in this country by the media for the last 3 or 4 decades. It is real and it is sick.

I am not one to bow to the extreme left and their attacks on masculinity. I have nothing at all against femininity in women. That is a beautiful thing. It is wonderful for a woman to be feminine. They are supposed to be feminine. It is also a wonderful thing for a man to be masculine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a man being or acting masculine. The extreme left has tried to make it a crime to be or act in any way masculine. Therefore, when someone like myself comes along and tells you how great they feel about being in the Army and how wonderful it is to serve your country, you get bent. So sorry.

I believe all young men should join one of the branches of the military and serve his country. If he is physically unable to do so because of physical deformity, mental retardation...ect., then he should at least be the best citizen he can be, and support those who wear the uniform.

I am very serious about this subject. I was at a football game that my son in law was coaching, and there was a big discussion going on about how little boys are now breaking down and crying at many sporting events. My daughter in laws best friend was telling me how she was at a baseball game and these boys were crying and throwing fits. The coach told one of them that he was batting wrong and the kid freaked out and started crying and screaming. It took about 15 minutes to calm him down. On the soccer fields there are little boys breaking down and crying like little girls because they missed the goal or got slide tackled. Guess what the one thing all these little boys had in common? NONE OF THEM HAD FATHERS AROUND. This whole insane idea of single parent families is hurting our country. These young boys are being brought up and raised without a father. They are not seeing what a good role model dad is. They are not seeing dad at all. Hence, they are breaking down and crying like little girls when they can't hit a baseball, or kick a goal.

I saw the distress on these womens faces, and it broke my heart in two. It made me sick deep inside to hear about these things. Little boys crying like babies because they struck out? In the words of Tom Hanks, "There's no crying in baseball"!!!

We have a serious problem folks. These little cry baby boys might be leading this country some day. That is frightening.

It is time we stopped this feminization of America. It is time for the men in this country to step up to the plate and start leading!

Men, you need to teach your boys how to hunt/fish/survive in the woods/play football/baseball/basketball/shoot guns/fight/use power tools/work on cars/treat women right and above all Love God.

That is a lot, but it is necessary and we need to start right now!!!

 

[kuyura]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but God has plenty to say about the army and war. God has no problem with soldiers. You also need to learn Hebrew. Or at least understand that what you are quoting the scripture incorrectly. The 1611 King James Bible renders the passage 'Thou shall not kill'. It should be rendered "You shall not do murder". That is the literal translation of the passage.

God Himself kills! See the flood.

As far as being proud of mine and my families military service; I am glad that we never burnt our draft cards and we fought for our country!!! U.S. Army, Hoorah!

It is a wonderful thing to be a soldier and defend your country. It is good to defend your families and those you love! It is a good thing. No matter how much you hate the army or any of the military services, it is only because of us who you hate that you are able to have the freedom you are using right now.

It is a manly thing to be tough. It is a good thing to be tough. It is not good for a man to act like a woman.

You want your man to be a wimp, good for you. I am not nor will I ever be. And I will encourage all young men to be tough and be manly.

I am a man. It is good to be manly if you are a man. And there is nothing that you can do about that.

The feminization of America is evil. Stop it now.

Killing is killing is killing is killing.

I don't hate the army or military, I never said that, so please do not assume that.

Seriously though, you must be man enough to admit that you are being stupid about a colour yea? I mean, seriously, all arguments aside, they are still people, no matter what colour they wear. He does not deserve to be picked on for wearing a colour and the men who stood up for him in a non violent way were right. Surely you see that?
Why almost have a stoke over a colour? Do you not see how absurd that is? Step back a moment and think about what you almost head a stroke over. Perspective. Isn't there bigger things to worry about than a simple colour?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

In the 17th century... pink was for boys, blue for girls... as with so much of the garbage people get worked into a lather about... such things only have the meanings we bring to them

 

[Lord_Marx]

ShieldOFaith is a great parody, I love how the more minor the event, the more outrageous his reactions are.

 

[SeraphymCrashing]

This whole conversation is ripe for FSTDT.com

 

[Harpuia]

I haven't submitted any of SOF's stuff there since I believe he is more of a Poe or troll than a true fundie.

You should listen to Jerry Doyle. Much of what he says came straight off of his July comments on "The Dangerous Book for Boys".

 

[nightflight]

What you think means nothing to me. I hope you understand that.

Yes I understand and my life is impacted by this knowledge..........none.

There has been a deliberate attack on masculinity in this country by the media for the last 3 or 4 decades. It is real and it is sick.

I would agree, men are getting the shaft these days through the courts and our culture. However, mocking a weaker kid is not the answer. You actually are giving those anti-male forces fodder by reacting the way you are. You are showing yourself as the caricature that they paint all men as being.

I believe all young men should join one of the branches of the military and serve his country. If he is physically unable to do so because of physical deformity, mental retardation...ect., then he should at least be the best citizen he can be, and support those who wear the uniform.

It should be a man's choice whether or not to join the military.

I am very serious about this subject. I was at a football game that my son in law was coaching, and there was a big discussion going on about how little boys are now breaking down and crying at many sporting events. My daughter in laws best friend was telling me how she was at a baseball game and these boys were crying and throwing fits. The coach told one of them that he was batting wrong and the kid freaked out and started crying and screaming. It took about 15 minutes to calm him down. On the soccer fields there are little boys breaking down and crying like little girls because they missed the goal or got slide tackled. Guess what the one thing all these little boys had in common? NONE OF THEM HAD FATHERS AROUND. This whole insane idea of single parent families is hurting our country. These young boys are being brought up and raised without a father. They are not seeing what a good role model dad is. They are not seeing dad at all. Hence, they are breaking down and crying like little girls when they can't hit a baseball, or kick a goal.

I've seen boys with fathers react like this. I've also seen kids failing at sports and being ok with it, but their a-hole fathers freak out.

I saw the distress on these womens faces, and it broke my heart in two. It made me sick deep inside to hear about these things. Little boys crying like babies because they struck out? In the words of Tom Hanks, "There's no crying in baseball"!!!

No worse than a tantrum on a message board.

We have a serious problem folks. These little cry baby boys might be leading this country some day. That is frightening.

It is time we stopped this feminization of America. It is time for the men in this country to step up to the plate and start leading!

Or strong women. The can make good leaders to.

Men, you need to teach your boys how to hunt/fish/survive in the woods/play football/baseball/basketball/shoot guns/fight/use power tools/work on cars/treat women right and above all Love God.

Ok, now I'm a little more convinced you are a troll. This is too much of a caricature......you are doing too good a job here.

Don't forget........THINK PINK!

 

[ShieldOFaith]

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We have a serious problem folks. These little cry baby boys might be leading this country some day. That is frightening.

It is time we stopped this feminization of America. It is time for the men in this country to step up to the plate and start leading!
Or strong women. The can make good leaders to.
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The man is the leader in the home. The wife is second in command.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Moonkitty;Weak. So sorry some of us really want our young men to be Men!

 

[Ringo84]

The extreme left has tried to make it a crime to be or act in any way masculine.

That's funny. I don't seem to remember any kind of legislation or measure to criminalize masculinity. Of course, I live in the real world.

I believe all young men should join one of the branches of the military and serve his country. If he is physically unable to do so because of physical deformity, mental retardation...ect., then he should at least be the best citizen he can be, and support those who wear the uniform.

It should be their choice, but I have more respect for the "serve if you can" philosophy than I do the "serve no matter what" philosophy.

there was a big discussion going on about how little boys are now breaking down and crying at many sporting events. My daughter in laws best friend was telling me how she was at a baseball game and these boys were crying and throwing fits. The coach told one of them that he was batting wrong and the kid freaked out and started crying and screaming. It took about 15 minutes to calm him down. On the soccer fields there are little boys breaking down and crying like little girls because they missed the goal or got slide tackled.

UH OH! We can't have boys crying; they might instantaneously turn into girls! You're supposed to hold all your emotions inside...like a Real Man (tm)

These little cry baby boys might be leading this country some day. That is frightening.

What's frightening is how you simply dismiss boys at hand simply for crying, as though that automatically makes them feminine. Are we going to slap gender labels on emotion now?

hunt/fish/survive in the woods/play football/baseball/basketball/shoot guns/fight/use power tools/work on cars

Is that all there is for men? Stereotypical interests like fishing, hunting, sports, etc? Men can't be artists? Men can't be gardeners or horticulturists? That's not a limitation God put on men but some men put on themselves.

treat women right

I agree with you on that one.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]You forget that there is nothing wrong with killing as long as it is in the right context. A solider killing an enemy is not murdering. A police officer killing a violent criminal is not murdering. He is doing his job. He is protecting and serving his country. And this is a very good thing.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]We need more soldiers and police officers.
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On one hand, you're right. If you're being attacked by an enemy and need to defend yourself, it's not as ethically questionable as killing for the sake of killing. HOWEVER, God did not place qualifications on his commandment 'Thou shalt not kill'. As someone else pointed out, killing is killing is killing.

This whole conversation is ripe for FSTDT.com

It really is.

Yes I understand and my life is impacted by this knowledge..........none.

<sarcasm>Right! I stay up nights worrying whether Shield likes me not</sarcasm>
Ringo

 

[happydance]

Paraphrased:
Not only shouldn't boys/men wear pink, they should not cry!

-- WOW!! I don't know how to respond.