There is no Hell!

[Tavita]

How profound.
It's true tho; Instead of people following scripture, they're disassembling it to suit themselves wherever they want... bcuz after all, they know "the truth" without anyone else teaching it to them.

Knowledge isn't worth much without obedience.

As profound as you, my dear.

Knowledge without wisdom and understanding isn't worth much either.

 

[GuardianShua]

Originally Posted by MichaelTheeArchAngel
I don't think any Christian here would disagree with you: On the statements above.

You would be suprised!

I think that some here are disagreable just to have someone to talk to. Or something else.

 

[royalpriesthood]

ooohhhhh can i get my 2 cents in here ......... pleeeezszzzzzzzz............ ok ok hell's real wisdom required here!!!!!!!! uh oh huh uh oh lol leave it at this leaving on this note GOD said it, it was created ,that settles it!!!!!! prophecy is fun but i love this prophecy bill hamon "this is a season where my generation will carry out what the season before had missed because they have not harken to my words and this generation will go on with power wealth and my glory" love peace and always understanding "royal"

 

[GuardianShua]

ooohhhhh can i get my 2 cents in here ......... pleeeezszzzzzzzz............ ok ok hell's real wisdom required here!!!!!!!! uh oh huh uh oh lol leave it at this leaving on this note GOD said it, it was created ,that settles it!!!!!! prophecy is fun but i love this prophecy bill hamon "this is a season where my generation will carry out what the season before had missed because they have not harken to my words and this generation will go on with power wealth and my glory" love peace and always understanding "royal"

Im not able to find it in any of my bibles, where duz it say God created Hell.

 

[royalpriesthood]

looking at the order
death
hell
lake
2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
see GOD knew that if HE would cast them out of HEAVEN they had to go somewhere so HE and all wisdom he has chose a place that they deserve i'm just glad HE loved me enough to grant me access to HIM P.S. GOD CREATED ALL THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEAVEN, HELL , ANGELS, MEN,EARTH,GALAXIES & ANIMALS

 

[GuardianShua]

looking at the order
death
hell
lake
2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
see GOD knew that if HE would cast them out of HEAVEN they had to go somewhere so HE and all wisdom he has chose a place that they deserve i'm just glad HE loved me enough to grant me access to HIM P.S. GOD CREATED ALL THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEAVEN, HELL , ANGELS, MEN,EARTH,GALAXIES & ANIMALS

If you translate the word "angel" into the english language, it would read "messenger." And if you translate that word "hell" into the english language, it would read "grave." If you were to translate the word "heaven" into the english language it would read "place or places." You are talking to me about interpretations of the bible, but not what the word of God really says. Interpretation vs Translation.

 

[Nadiine]

If you translate the word "angel" into the english language, it would read "messenger." And if you translate that word "hell" into the english language, it would read "grave." If you were to translate the word "heaven" into the english language it would read "place or places." You are talking to me about interpretations of the bible, but not what the word of God really says. Interpretation vs Translation.

There is more than one word for Hell and it has more than just the meaning of "grave" as one of them.

Originally Posted by royalpriesthood
looking at the order
death
hell
lake
2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
see GOD knew that if HE would cast them out of HEAVEN they had to go somewhere so HE and all wisdom he has chose a place that they deserve i'm just glad HE loved me enough to grant me access to HIM P.S. GOD CREATED ALL THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEAVEN, HELL , ANGELS, MEN,EARTH,GALAXIES & ANIMALS

Hell = tartaroo:
1) the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer punishment for their evil deeds; it answers to Gehenna of the Jews
2) to thrust down to Tartarus, to hold captive in Tartarus

 

[royalpriesthood]

If you translate the word "angel" into the english language, it would read "messenger." And if you translate that word "hell" into the english language, it would read "grave." If you were to translate the word "heaven" into the english language it would read "place or places." You are talking to me about interpretations of the bible, but not what the word of God really says. Interpretation vs Translation

you see i have a problem with what your saying cause frankly and honestly death is the end of life MAN has no comprehension of after-life so if you want the translation of hell you can try asking the devil or simply going there translation = knowledge = pride are you familar with paul ??? you probably read alot about him one thing everyone seems to forget is paul was rude!! humble!!! meek!! knowledgable!!! and a wise master builder now you want translation of knowledge of something that has no purpose no edifying and no origin of point of debate see my thing is death is the end of life now the grave is diffrent from dirt n tombstones but i'm not foolish enough to waste my time consuming myself with questions that are irrelevant so ya

 

[GuardianShua]

There is more than one word for Hell and it has more than just the meaning of "grave" as one of them.

Yes, that is correct. sometimes the word pit is INTERPRETATED as hell.

tartaroo[/I]:
1) the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer punishment for their evil deeds; it answers to Gehenna of the Jews
2) to thrust down to Tartarus, to hold captive in Tartarus

This is also true, but it has to do with the Pagan religion, not Judaism and Christianity. The Pagan Roman Catholics transfered the Pagan religion of hell over into Christianity.

 

[GuardianShua]

you see i have a problem with what your saying cause frankly and honestly death is the end of life MAN has no comprehension of after-life so if you want the translation of hell you can try asking the devil or simply going there translation = knowledge = pride are you familar with paul ??? you probably read alot about him one thing everyone seems to forget is paul was rude!! humble!!! meek!! knowledgable!!! and a wise master builder now you want translation of knowledge of something that has no purpose no edifying and no origin of point of debate see my thing is death is the end of life now the grave is diffrent from dirt n tombstones but i'm not foolish enough to waste my time consuming myself with questions that are irrelevant so ya

Try getting some sleep, then come back and talk to me.

 

[Nadiine]

Yes, that is correct. sometimes the word pit is INTERPRETATED as hell.



This is also true, but it has to do with the Pagan religion, not Judaism and Christianity. The Pagan Roman Catholics transfered the Pagan religion of hell over into Christianity.

The point is what it's SAYING in its context as well --
The entire verse spells out what's meant and it's not just "the grave" as in a ditch that dead people are laid in.
The verse continues the same theme of hell being a dark, separate place where they're held (we should look at Luke 16:19- to see that there's something more going on with hell than just a 6 foot ditch for dead folks.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Meaning: Hell = tartaroo:
1) the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer punishment for their evil deeds; it answers to Gehenna of the Jews
2) to thrust down to Tartarus, to hold captive in Tartarus

I'd also mention one other thing that shouldn't be overlooked, ANGELS ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS that "die" and get put into a regular grave as "dead" people.

Angels are CREATED spiritual, angelic hosts who "minister and messenger" - they SEE God (and/or HAVE seen) and been in God's direct presence in all His glory and are eternal.

 

[james415]

Originally Posted by MichaelTheeArchAngel
I don't think any Christian here would disagree with you: On the statements above. I think that some here are disagreable just to have someone to talk to. Or something else.

I agree. I made that comment to someone earlier.

 

[Nadiine]

As profound as you, my dear.

Knowledge without wisdom and understanding isn't worth much either.

Then show me EXACTLY where I lacked this 'wisdom'. Like EXACTLY.
Making a blanket claim like that isn't helpful and doesn't make you correct by any stretch; any of us can make critical claims, they mean little without some support or reference.
I've used the Bible to back up what I've said as far as doctrine goes and I use my personal experience to relay my personal beliefs and why I have them. (and correlate those assessements using scripture principles).

So show me where I lack "wisdom" in the statement(s) you're referring to.

 

[Nadiine]

Are we not gathered here as Christians? But of coarse I do agree with you that we should not forsake the assembling (Church - Congregation) of ourselves. What church do you think I should attened? You know, I can't become a member of some churches because I don't support the trinity doctrine. And I also would prefer attending on Saturday. I also believe in keeping the commandments. Im also against any church thats involved with secret society.

I don't think everyone has to be a "member" at a church - membership is fine, but I don't consider it necessary. It's not mentioned in scripture.

I can't "recommend" churches for people since each one has individual pastors that preach w/ different styles and focuses - and I don't know what denom. you would prefer.... or who has Saturday services or what's available in your area?

I liken it to a priority - if it's a high priority, we'll go out & get ourselves involved. People usually find a high priority to find themselves a good Dr., Dentist or manicurist... is church equally important? Many would say no it's not.

My issue is on the NT examples we're given and how many are adamant against going to church. It's not about how many times we go, it's the SPIRIT we hold towards it and why people refuse to darken the door of any churches; as if God somehow changed the Bible & warned us not to go to churches bcuz they're "organized and corrupt"... etc. ad nauseum.
People always find excuses to criticize & attack church attending - that's where I take issue, we shouldn't hold disdain for God's house/ or the STRUCTURE He implimented for us to grow in.

There's lots of corrupt and incompetent doctors, lawyers, dentists, psychologists, pharmacists, politicans, etc. but it sure doesn't stop us from seeking out GOOD ONES from the mix becuz inevitably, we NEED the services of these professionals - and I think a church should be the same, namely when it's SPIRITUAL FOOD and support we're recieving and need.
I have to sift thru bad churches like anyone else - but I do and I always find a wonderful one to attend.
I consider it a part of obedience to God's system He created for us; the network He ordains for us to be in for our own welfare and benefit.

 

[Zecryphon]

So in other words, you have nothing. Thanks for playing. LOL

Don't be so lazy! It's easy to find.[/QUOTE]
I'm not the one who's being lazy. You made the claim that King James was a Mason, but have offered no proof to back up your claim. So your claim is hereby dismissed. If you make a claim, the burden of proof rests with you, not me. It's not my job to do your homework for you and prove your claims. Since you can't be bothered to back up your statements, your statements are not worthy of consideration, because nothing has been put forth by you to consider, other than an unsupported claim.

 

[SoundCard]

Try getting some sleep, then come back and talk to me.

You know, just because someone disagrees with you, you can't keep telling them to get some sleep them come back to the discussion. You're dodging the question.

 

[GuardianShua]

The point is what it's SAYING in its context as well --
The entire verse spells out what's meant and it's not just "the grave" as in a ditch that dead people are laid in.
The verse continues the same theme of hell being a dark, separate place where they're held (we should look at Luke 16:19- to see that there's something more going on with hell than just a 6 foot ditch for dead folks.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

The grave is a dark and separate place.

/////// An angel (MESSENGER) can be either. Angelology is also a part of the Pagan religion. Here is something profound that Jesus said: The Coming of the Kingdom of God.
Luke 17:20. Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21. nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is among you." In the bible God also called the earth, heaven. I also would like to state that the transliteral, for the Hebrew word "Satan" means adversary. My Satan is the errors introduced into Christianity. I could use some angels (messengers) on my side to oppose Satan (adversaries). Because of the war going on in this heaven, Im opposed to the dragon (secret societies.) Both of them, the sea and earth.

 

[james415]

You know, just because someone disagrees with you, you can't keep telling them to get some sleep them come back to the discussion. You're dodging the question.

I think what MichaelTheeArchAngle is saying is that the statement royalpriesthood made is bit hard to understand. Maybe in the interest of reconciliation you could translate for him (and me). It could just be lack of punctuation.

you see i have a problem with what your saying cause frankly and honestly death is the end of life MAN has no comprehension of after-life so if you want the translation of hell you can try asking the devil or simply going there translation = knowledge = pride are you familar with paul ??? you probably read alot about him one thing everyone seems to forget is paul was rude!! humble!!! meek!! knowledgable!!! and a wise master builder now you want translation of knowledge of something that has no purpose no edifying and no origin of point of debate see my thing is death is the end of life now the grave is diffrent from dirt n tombstones but i'm not foolish enough to waste my time consuming myself with questions that are irrelevant so ya

 

[SoundCard]

"You see, I have a problem with what you are saying, because frankly and honestly, death is the end of life. MAN has no comprehension of the after-life, so if you want to read the translation of hell, you can try asking the the devil or simply going there. Translation=knowledge=pride. Are you familiar with Paul? You probably read alot about him. One thing everyone seems to forget is Paul was rude! Humble! Meek! Knowledgeable! And a wise master builder. Now you want different a different translation of knowledge of something, that has no purpose, no edification, and no origin of point of debate. See, my thing is, death is the end of life. Now the grave is different from dirt and tombstones, but I'm not foolish enough to waste my time consuming myself with questions that are irrelevant, so yeah."

At least I think that's what it says.
My point earlier was he did the same thing earlier to me but what I had posted wasn't nearly as illegible as this.

 

[RefrusRevlis]

The use of the word hell is unfortunate, because it obscures the distinction between hades and gehenna. In so doing it gives error a foothold as it allows people to dismiss gehenna (the eternal fate of the wicked) by inferring it is the same as hades. The argument that hell is a pagan idea because the word has a pagan origin is ludicrous. Hades is a Greek work and has its roots in pagan religion, so what! The word "god" is from Old German and Norse. Because a word is borrowed from another culture does not mean that all of the meanings attached to that word in its original context are to be transferred to the Bible. In like manner the use of the word gehenna, which refers to the valley of Hinnom, used as a garbage heap and a dumping ground for the bodies of executed criminals, does not mean the NT usage refers to the literal place. It is used metaphorically. It was a place outside the city ("outer darkness"), where fires were constantly burning and where the worms consumed the garbage.

The eternal (aionion) punishment of the wicked, consists of exclusion from the presence of the Lord ("outer darkness"). It is eternal separation with no hope of release. Eternal is a word used to describe the reward of the saints and the punishment of the wicked. There is no reason to conclude that period of punishment is shorter than the period of reward.

Refrus Revlis