How the Democratic Party opposes Christian Principles

[thaumaturgy]

Response

I have defined the Atheistic Lifestyle as participating in or advocating extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion and homosexuality.

I then showed how each or these harms all of society.

I have shown that the Christians Lifestyle would not be forced on anyone, but rather would be advocated as a better alternative.

How would Atheists be harmed by the "Christian Lifestyle"?

OK, let's take a few points here:

Feminism: How would it harm people if you eliminate feminism? Well, let me see...my wife is a feminist who has worked for a few years on the Equal Rights Amendment and equality issues. It would harm women if they are not guaranteed equality in terms of pay and general access to equal enforcement of the law

Environmentalism: Since environmentalism is really just "personal responsibility for our actions in regards to the earth", then if you eliminate this then you will have people damaging ecosystems that my never recover. Since most scientists agree with the reality of global warming and most of those think humans can and do have an impact on that feature, doing nothing about it means we run the very real risk of destroying the only home we have.

Homosexuality: Since no one "chooses" their sexuality unless EVERYONE chooses it (I'll wait until you tell us when you chose your sexuality) being against homosexuality is just like any other rank hatred or prejudice, it is corrosive to society and effectively keeps certain classes of people from equal access to the law. This doesn't work in a democracy nor does it work in anything but totalitarian dictatorships.

I'll assume from those three points that you can draw the appropriate conclusions.

Equality is enforcable only when stripped of ideological filters. Your strange version of Christian Theocracy appears to support prejudice, irresponsible actions, and inequality based on genetics (either gender or sexual orientation).

So I think you might want to clarify a few points before arguing against the "evils" of this mysterious "atheistic lifestyle" you keep going on about.

 

[ONEGod]

#521

thaumaturgy
Veteran
OK, let's take a few points here:

Feminism: How would it harm people if you eliminate feminism? Well, let me see...my wife is a feminist who has worked for a few years on the Equal Rights Amendment and equality issues. It would harm women if they are not guaranteed equality in terms of pay and general access to equal enforcement of the law

ONEGod:
Lets see, God put man as the head of the family, feminism denies it. Women have asserted their total dominion over themselves, leading to STD's rates booming and millions of the innocent unborn horrible butchered.

thaumaturgy :

Environmentalism: Since environmentalism is really just "personal responsibility for our actions in regards to the earth", then if you eliminate this then you will have people damaging ecosystems that my never recover. Since most scientists agree with the reality of global warming and most of those think humans can and do have an impact on that feature, doing nothing about it means we run the very real risk of destroying the only home we have.

ONEGod:
Raising the earth to a worship status and mankind down to a contaminate, again conflict with God's Way indeed !

thaumaturgy :
Homosexuality: Since no one "chooses" their sexuality unless EVERYONE chooses it (I'll wait until you tell us when you chose your sexuality) being against homosexuality is just like any other rank hatred or prejudice, it is corrosive to society and effectively keeps certain classes of people from equal access to the law. This doesn't work in a democracy nor does it work in anything but totalitarian dictatorships.

ONEGod:
God obviously does not view Homosexuality as a non-judgmental issue, obviously you again have a view in conflict to God.

thaumaturgy :
I'll assume from those three points that you can draw the appropriate conclusions.

ONEGod:
Yes indeed the conflict of political correctness being in direct contradiction to God has been clear and obvious for quite a while.

thaumaturgy :

Equality is enforcable only when stripped of ideological filters. Your strange version of Christian Theocracy appears to support prejudice, irresponsible actions, and inequality based on genetics (either gender or sexual orientation).

ONEGod:
The Godly view does indeed clash with the political one. You noticed ! and quite p.c. judgmentally.

thaumaturgy :
So I think you might want to clarify a few points before arguing against the "evils" of this mysterious "atheistic lifestyle" you keep going on about.

ONEGod:
Done

 

[Ringo84]

ONEGod:
Lets see, God put man as the head of the family, feminism denies it. Women have asserted their total dominion over themselves, leading to STD's rates booming and millions of the innocent unborn horrible butchered.



ONEGod:
Raising the earth to a worship status and mankind down to a contaminate, again conflict with God's Way indeed !




ONEGod:
God obviously does not view Homosexuality as a non-judgmental issue, obviously you again have a view in conflict to God.




ONEGod:
Yes indeed the conflict of political correctness being in direct contradiction to God has been clear and obvious for quite a while.



ONEGod:
The Godly view does indeed clash with the political one. You noticed ! and quite p.c. judgmentally.




ONEGod:
Done

Let's break it down again.

ONEGod:
Lets see, God put man as the head of the family, feminism denies it. Women have asserted their total dominion over themselves, leading to STD's rates booming and millions of the innocent unborn horrible butchered.

Whoever fed you that drivel is wrong. All feminism states is that women are equal in ability and talent to men. This is not some revolutionary concept that, as you describe it, undermines the family unit. What it does is turn on its head years and years of sexism based on gender: women not being allowed to vote, women not being able to hold jobs, etc. etc.

ONEGod:
Raising the earth to a worship status and mankind down to a contaminate, again conflict with God's Way indeed !

Another mischaracterization. ALL environmentalism doesn't advocate "earth worship" as you claim; it's more about saving this planet for ourselves and for our posterity. Again: this is not a revolutionary concept but common sense.

ONEGod:
God obviously does not view Homosexuality as a non-judgmental issue, obviously you again have a view in conflict to God.

You did not address his points but rather focused on one point in an entire two-sentence rebuttal. That's the mark of someone who doesn't have strong arguments to back his assertions.

ONEGod:
Yes indeed the conflict of political correctness being in direct contradiction to God has been clear and obvious for quite a while.

Political correctness? Who said anything about political correctness?

ONEGod:
The Godly view does indeed clash with the political one. You noticed ! and quite p.c. judgmentally.

I suppose that only Democrats have a "political [view]"? That's one of the problems of this thread: it is long on a lot of general statements about Democrats and how "evil" and "Atheistic" they are, while ignoring that Republicans are far from perfect themselves and that CHRISTIANS are far from perfect.

ONEGod:
Done

Not quite. Still sadly lacking from those who continue to talk about the so-called "Atheistic Lifestyle" is a definition of that term. In fact, this entire argument is a house of cards, considering that it is based entirely on general, speciously-defined terms. I have yet to see a substantive argument from clirus, ONEgod, and the rest of those who have attempted to link the Democratic party - and, by extension, those who belong to the party - to opposition of Christianity. My advice to the aforementioned parties is to not get into discussions such as this one without the arguments and proof to back up your assertions.
Ringo

 

[clirus]

thaumaturgy quote

OK, let's take a few points here:

Feminism: How would it harm people if you eliminate feminism? Well, let me see...my wife is a feminist who has worked for a few years on the Equal Rights Amendment and equality issues. It would harm women if they are not guaranteed equality in terms of pay and general access to equal enforcement of the law

Environmentalism: Since environmentalism is really just "personal responsibility for our actions in regards to the earth", then if you eliminate this then you will have people damaging ecosystems that my never recover. Since most scientists agree with the reality of global warming and most of those think humans can and do have an impact on that feature, doing nothing about it means we run the very real risk of destroying the only home we have.

Homosexuality: Since no one "chooses" their sexuality unless EVERYONE chooses it (I'll wait until you tell us when you chose your sexuality) being against homosexuality is just like any other rank hatred or prejudice, it is corrosive to society and effectively keeps certain classes of people from equal access to the law. This doesn't work in a democracy nor does it work in anything but totalitarian dictatorships.

Response

I believe the purpose of Civil Law is to eliminate evil. People should be executed by Civil Law for murder, etc. Murder is extreme evil so you eliminate it. Civil Law says the actions of some are so antisocial that they must be put in prison to remove them from society. Evil should not be glorified (as Hollywood does) and should not be advocated (as the democratic party does).

One of the greatest mistakes was the perversion of Civil Law by implying the purpose of Civil Law was to protect Civil Rights. This was a perversion of Civil Law because the government violates Separation of Church and State when the government gets involved with Civil Rights.

It was correct to eliminate "laws" that discriminated on the bases of race, color, creed and national origin, but it was wrong to institute Affirmative Action that was reverse discrimination. Affirmative Action was the government trying too force ethics on the people.

Under Civil Rights, the government is responsible for welfare, health care and everything else, which leads to socialism. Using the Civil Rights argument homosexuals, pedophiles, etc. have protection under the law even though they are evil. Socialism and Christianity are totally opposed because Christianity is based on personal responsibility and Socialism is based on group responsibility. Civil Right leads to a never ending discussion of who's rights takes precedent. The only thing that Civil Law can do is to eliminate evil.

What is evil. Evil is anything that the Bible defines to be evil and physical reality shows it leads to disease, death and destruction. If you want advanced warning on evil, read the Bible, or you can wait for the misery to begin and figure out something is evil.

Evil must be eliminated/not advocated in order for good to flourish.

Feminism is inconsistent with the Bible and leads to destruction because the Christian Family concept is destroyed by feminism. Children are harmed by feminism.

Extreme environmentalism is inconsistent with the Bible and leads to destruction because people are lead away from God who is the creator of all things. God does not tolerate idols and nature is the idol of the extreme environmentalist.

Homosexuality activity is inconsistent with the Bible and leads to disease and death.

Society has to deal with issues on many levels. At some level execution is appropriate, and at other levels rejection is appropriate.

Society is best served when Christians advocate good as prevention, and government eliminates evil through Civil Law.

The concept that government has a responsibility to protect good and evil is just silly.

 

[Vylo]

The problem is not everyone agrees with what precisely evil is. It helps if one has emprical evidence to suggest that something is overall harmful or dreadful, rather then theological evidence.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Evil should not be glorified (as Hollywood does) and should not be advocated (as the democratic party does).

And evil should not be supported and encouraged as the Republican party does. (Please just once provide a fact for anything you claim. I've done my leg work, you do yours).

Feminism is inconsistent with the Bible and leads to destruction because the Christian Family concept is destroyed by feminism. Children are harmed by feminism.

Sorry, but you are simply wrong here. Feminism does no such thing! Of course you never provide any facts in your statements and I end up posting a bunch of facts which you blithely ignore, so I'll just save my time and tell you you are wrong.

Since when does treating women as equal members in the social order damage the family? Only if you are scared of women, hate women, or you march in lock-step to ancient first century AD blather about women's role as subservient. Sorry, but I am an adult and I married a full-fledged member of the human race who is my equal in all ways and my superior in many.

Extreme environmentalism is inconsistent with the Bible and leads to destruction because people are lead away from God who is the creator of all things. God does not tolerate idols and nature is the idol of the extreme environmentalist.

But I'm sure your God is A-OK with us all just urinating all over his creation and turning it into a polluted hell-hole. THAT brings honor on God, right?

C'mon, man. WE are responsible for the earth. EVEN YOU! If we screw it up we are the ones who will pay. EVEN YOU.

If you believe in God then I should think you would care to honor the earth. He presumably made it for you.

Homosexuality activity is inconsistent with the Bible and leads to disease and death.

I have noted that you haven't bothered to tell me when you chose your sexual orientation. So I'll assume, like anything else you just want to PONTIFICATE and never provide answers or information.

Fine. I'll just have to assume you are simply prejudiced without understanding.

I can't help but notice that whenever I provide actual DATA and information, you just respond in partial commentary without any supporting information. Is that part of the Christian Lifestyle? Just pontificate?

Clirus ex cathedra! That's all you need to know. Well, sorry Clirus, but that isn't all I need to know. Unlike many theocrats such as yourself, many of us in this country want to make the best country we can and that usually means being informed.

Next time you blather about your imaginary "Culture War" or some synthetic "Atheistic Lifestyle" do bother to show us a little respect and provide some (any?) data for any of your claims.

 

[thaumaturgy]

ONEGod:
Lets see, God put man as the head of the family, feminism denies it. Women have asserted their total dominion over themselves, leading to STD's rates booming and millions of the innocent unborn horrible butchered.

Do you care to provide any FACTUAL SUPPORT for this absurdity? Or should I just assume you made it up?

ONEGod:
Raising the earth to a worship status and mankind down to a contaminate, again conflict with God's Way indeed !

I'm sorry, I thought you were going to address the issue. I can't imagine God is overly happy with your view of this great planet he made for you. If I gave you a house and you just treated it the way humans treat the earth I should think I would be displeased. But then that would harsh your mellow.

Maybe you don't really care what God thinks. You want to do what you want to do. That's fine.

Obviously I don't believe in God so your arguments don't hold any water from the Biblical stand point, but what I find amazing is that this type of debate is usually pretty poorly constructed from the religious side. You blindly follow whatever unique interpretation of some specific bible passage you want or you simply "make up" what you think God wants.

I've shown repeatedly that clirus is wrong about social welfare from a biblical standpoint. But you don't seem to even provide me with a hint as to where you think environmentalism is taught against in the Bible. So I'm left to assume you are simply making this up, or you have decided to imbue some particular verse in the Bible with a meaning against environmentalism that simply isn't there but serves your imagined purpose.

Again, fine, you can twist your God's words any way you like. Just don't mess up the earth for me, that's all I ask. (Because after the rapture us "bad" people will still be left here to clean up your mess ).

ONEGod:
God obviously does not view Homosexuality as a non-judgmental issue, obviously you again have a view in conflict to God.

But not necessarily in conflict with reality. When did you choose your sexual orientation? (Don't worry, I doubt you'll answer that. No Christians who advocate the discrimination against homosexuals ever do)

 

[IzzyPop]

Homosexuality activity is inconsistent with the Bible and leads to disease and death.

Clirus, every single time I see you lie about this, I am going to ask you the same question until you either answer it or stop telling lies. If what you say is true, does that make lesbians God chosen? They have the lowest rates of STD transmission.

 

[Vylo]

Clirus, every single time I see you lie about this, I am going to ask you the same question until you either answer it or stop telling lies. If what you say is true, does that make lesbians God chosen? They have the lowest rates of STD transmission.

I don't think it has anything to do with religion, but many seem to find lesbians to be a blessed, blessed thing .

 

[clirus]

thaumaturgy quote

I have noted that you haven't bothered to tell me when you chose your sexual orientation. So I'll assume, like anything else you just want to PONTIFICATE and never provide answers or information.

Fine. I'll just have to assume you are simply prejudiced without understanding.

I can't help but notice that whenever I provide actual DATA and information, you just respond in partial commentary without any supporting information. Is that part of the Christian Lifestyle? Just pontificate?

Clirus ex cathedra! That's all you need to know. Well, sorry Clirus, but that isn't all I need to know. Unlike many theocrats such as yourself, many of us in this country want to make the best country we can and that usually means being informed.

Next time you blather about your imaginary "Culture War" or some synthetic "Atheistic Lifestyle" do bother to show us a little respect and provide some (any?) data for any of your claims.

Response

Evil is anything that the Bible defines to be evil and physical reality shows it leads to disease, death and destruction. If you want advanced warning on evil, read the Bible, or you can wait for the misery to begin and figure out something is evil.

My assertion that "Homosexuality activity is inconsistent with the Bible and leads to disease and death." is based on :

Bible reference:

Romans 1:26-32, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Physical Reality:

The Global HIV/AIDS Pandemic, 2006

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5531a1.htm

Since the first cases of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) were reported in 1981, infection with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) has grown to pandemic proportions, resulting in an estimated 65 million infections and 25 million deaths (1,2). During 2005 alone, an estimated 2.8 million persons died from AIDS, 4.1 million were newly infected with HIV, and 38.6 million were living with HIV (2). HIV continues to disproportionately affect certain geographic regions (e.g., sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean) (Figure) and subpopulations (e.g., women in sub-Saharan Africa, men who have sex with men [MSM], injection-drug users [IDUs], and sex workers). Effective prevention and treatment of HIV infection with antiretroviral therapy (ART) are now available, even in countries with limited resources (2). Nonetheless, comprehensive programs are needed to reach all persons who require treatment and to prevent transmission of new infections.

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The mortal shame of homosexuality is that the AIDS epidemic was totally preventable. The book and movie, "The Band Played On" tells of how the Center for Disease Control had clearly identified the pathway of AIDS into America in 1983 and had asked the San Francisco government to close the bath houses that were spreading AIDS. The San Francisco government refused.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312241356/103-6581221-6591829?v=glance&n=283155

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Homosexuality and AIDS are a perfect example of how the government can create an unethical/Atheistic/unhealthy society by opposing Christian ethics.

 

[PassionFruit]

I don't think it has anything to do with religion, but many seem to find lesbians to be a blessed, blessed thing .

Such a guy thing to say.

 

[IzzyPop]

Homosexuality and AIDS are a perfect example of how the government can create an unethical/Atheistic/unhealthy society by opposing Christian ethics.

So by logical extension, Christian ethics supports lesbianism because it does not promote the spread of disease?

 

[thaumaturgy]

Evil is anything that the Bible defines to be evil and physical reality shows it leads to disease, death and destruction. If you want advanced warning on evil, read the Bible, or you can wait for the misery to begin and figure out something is evil.

Clirus,
First off: thank you! You finally provided some information to back up your claim. But you still miss some important points.

Did anyone else note that Clirus still refuses to answer the question:

When did you choose your sexual orientation?

Until Clirus answers that question no amount of discussion of the evil of homosexuality will have any bearing.

(e.g., sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean) (Figure) and subpopulations (e.g., women in sub-Saharan Africa, men who have sex with men [MSM], injection-drug users [IDUs], and sex workers). (Emphasis added)

If God intended to take out only the 'bad' people the poor heterosexual women of Sub-Saharan Africa (mentioned up there in that list) certainly got the short end of the stick. As usual God tends to take out quite a few "collateral casualties", but what can you expect from that being than which none greater can be conceived?

The mortal shame of homosexuality is that the AIDS epidemic was totally preventable. The book and movie, "The Band Played On" tells of how the Center for Disease Control had clearly identified the pathway of AIDS into America in 1983 and had asked the San Francisco government to close the bath houses that were spreading AIDS. The San Francisco government refused.

Indeed better public governmental response could have helped. But you'll also note that the early response from the blessed republican administration of his holiness Ronald Reagan was less than stellar. Their inaction certainly didn't help early on.

So indeed your little "cut-n-paste" review of "And the Band Played On" cuts both ways. Have you read the book? It is a good read.

Homosexuality and AIDS are a perfect example of how the government can create an unethical/Atheistic/unhealthy society by opposing Christian ethics.

No, homosexuality is something someone is born as or not. The government in most non-eugenics type of governments can't really do much to stop homosexuality.

Again, I can understand how you'd like that sort of government. You seem to be championing a very dark government of intolerance and exclusion.

But again, I'll ask: when did you choose to be straight?

You see, when I see a republican-leaning conservative loudly proclaim the evils of homosexuality I am reminded of such stellar Republicans of a similar vein such as Larry Craig (R-ID) or Ed Schrock (R-VA)

You know, honestly, if someone is gay they don’t have to be ashamed and they don't have to support legislation attacking gays! It’s OK! They were likely born that way and that is honestly OK! It’s only when demagogues demonize homosexuality as some abhorrence to the creator of the universe that it makes it hard for people to simply BE WHO THEY ARE!


THAT is the kind of corrosive and truly evil politics I think we should all fight against with every fiber of our being. Hatred and intolerance, no matter how much people hold them dear, are nothing to be proud of, nor are they something you should laud as the "Christian Lifestyle".

 

[clirus]

thaumaturgy quote

No, homosexuality is something someone is born as or not. The government in most non-eugenics type of governments can't really do much to stop homosexuality.

Response

The old, "The devil made me do that" excuse.

Heterosexuals are born heterosexuals, but are warned by God not to commit adultly because adultly leads to disease, death and destruction.

Homosexuals are born homosexual, but are warned by God not commit homosexual acts because homosexual acts lead to disease, death and destruction.

I believe people that are born homosexuals that accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will be in Heaven with God.

It is not God who punishes people, it is people that fail to follow the warning that God provides in the Bible that leads to the disease, death and destruction.

PS - On vacation for a couple of weeks

 

[Nathan Poe]

thaumaturgy quote

No, homosexuality is something someone is born as or not. The government in most non-eugenics type of governments can't really do much to stop homosexuality.

Response

The old, "The devil made me do that" excuse.

Heterosexuals are born heterosexuals, but are warned by God not to commit adultly because adultly leads to disease, death and destruction.

And both Christian and nonchristians ignore that "warning" on a regular basis.

Homosexuals are born homosexual, but are warned by God not commit homosexual acts because homosexual acts lead to disease, death and destruction.

Homoseuals are warned by God not to act in accordance with how God created them? How cruel.

You're wrong, clirus, the excuse is "God made me do it." Surely you're familiar with that one?

I believe people that are born homosexuals that accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will be in Heaven with God.

The gay community will be happy to hear that -- them and their partners.

It is not God who punishes people, it is people that fail to follow the warning that God provides in the Bible that leads to the disease, death and destruction.

Then why does God punish people for harmless acts?

 

[thaumaturgy]

Heterosexuals are born heterosexuals, but are warned by God not to commit adultly because adultly leads to disease, death and destruction.

Homosexuals are born homosexual, but are warned by God not commit homosexual acts because homosexual acts lead to disease, death and destruction.

Well at least you finally responded with an internally consisted response. Thank you again for that.

So, now you are left with a cruel and vicious God who made homosexuals but denies them "Love".

Note well that you as a straight person are obviously able to find that love you seek, you just aren't able to have promiscuous adulterous sex.

Gays, however are born wanting love that they can NEVER EVER HAVE. In fact they can't have ANY love.

Good for God. He must be happy with his frankenstein creation of an entire subset of society who want to be happy and in love but he abhors them so they can never be happy.

God is love, so they say. Maybe someone should clue your god into that.

I believe people that are born homosexuals that accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will be in Heaven with God.

But only after a miserable life denying themselves anything like love or affection.

Really, that's a great deal for them.

You should thank God every single day he didn't opt to punish you like that! I hope you do!

It is not God who punishes people, it is people that fail to follow the warning that God provides in the Bible that leads to the disease, death and destruction.

But if God makes people gay and then tells them NOT to be who they are, then indeed it is ONLY God who is punishing them.

It's nice Christians like yourself who help remind people of God's command in that respect. A good little soldier marching into someone else's bedroom.

PS - On vacation for a couple of weeks

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Enjoy your vacation.

 

[Suomipoika]

Well, I don't like Socialism like we see it in Sweden and Canada

Now those countries don't know nothing about running a social democracy.

 

[ONEGod]

#530
clirus:

thaumaturgy:

Fine. I'll just have to assume you are simply prejudiced without understanding.

I can't help but notice that whenever I provide actual DATA and information, you just respond in partial commentary without any supporting information. Is that part of the Christian Lifestyle? Just pontificate?

Clirus ex cathedra! That's all you need to know. Well, sorry Clirus, but that isn't all I need to know. Unlike many theocrats such as yourself, many of us in this country want to make the best country we can and that usually means being informed.

Next time you blather about your imaginary "Culture War" or some synthetic "Atheistic Lifestyle" do bother to show us a little respect and provide some (any?) data for any of your claims.

clirus:

Response

Evil is anything that the Bible defines to be evil and physical reality shows it leads to disease, death and destruction. If you want advanced warning on evil, read the Bible, or you can wait for the misery to begin and figure out something is evil.

My assertion that "Homosexuality activity is inconsistent with the Bible and leads to disease and death." is based on :

Bible reference:

Romans 1:26-32, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Physical Reality:

The Global HIV/AIDS Pandemic, 2006

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5531a1.htm

Since the first cases of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) were reported in 1981, infection with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) has grown to pandemic proportions, resulting in an estimated 65 million infections and 25 million deaths (1,2). During 2005 alone, an estimated 2.8 million persons died from AIDS, 4.1 million were newly infected with HIV, and 38.6 million were living with HIV (2). HIV continues to disproportionately affect certain geographic regions (e.g., sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean) (Figure) and subpopulations (e.g., women in sub-Saharan Africa, men who have sex with men [MSM], injection-drug users [IDUs], and sex workers). Effective prevention and treatment of HIV infection with antiretroviral therapy (ART) are now available, even in countries with limited resources (2). Nonetheless, comprehensive programs are needed to reach all persons who require treatment and to prevent transmission of new infections.

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The mortal shame of homosexuality is that the AIDS epidemic was totally preventable. The book and movie, "The Band Played On" tells of how the Center for Disease Control had clearly identified the pathway of AIDS into America in 1983 and had asked the San Francisco government to close the bath houses that were spreading AIDS. The San Francisco government refused.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031...lance&n=283155

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Homosexuality and AIDS are a perfect example of how the government can create an unethical/Atheistic/unhealthy society by opposing Christian ethics.

ONEGod:
Well said !

IzzyPop:

Clirus, every single time I see you lie about this, I am going to ask you the same question until you either answer it or stop telling lies. If what you say is true, does that make lesbians God chosen? They have the lowest rates of STD transmission.

ONEGod:
The Godless often fail to comprehend even the simple admonistions and morality of God.
As for "lowest rates of transmission" is your morality based on disease transmission exclusively ? ? ?
Explain how lesbians follow God's admonition.....

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

What is the reward for the God deniers and advocates of abomination and other iniquities ? ? ?

 

[Suomipoika]

Anyone still remember good ole William Jennings Bryan?

 

[KomissarSteve]

Anyone still remember good ole William Jennings Bryan?

*raises hand and waves it manically* OOOH! OOOH! OOOH! I DO!!!!!!!!!