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The part I don't understand is,

Why would God allow Christians who have a very large history of sin to go to heaven, while God also sends men who are agnostics to hell. Even when the agnostic sinned a considerable amount less than the Christian.

How is this just?

Unknown... God knows,

But,

If not for Gods forgiveness and pardon many of us would be doomed. :swoon: :help:

It is not based on works we have done but on Christs work.

And do we really know if God sends agnostics to hell, or people who lived "good" lives? (And I know "there is none good, no not one...")
Read Matthew 25:31 - 46.

How do we know what God does at the precise moment seconds before someone dies? How do we know God doesn't reveal himself by the Spirit at the last breath or beat of the heart? We don't know.
I used to say "so and so went to hell... he's in hell right now, he's burning."
How wrong such judgment is! For all we know God revealed himself at the moment of death, the person grasped onto God with full acknowedgement and was redeemed....
 
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PS> to claim ALL get to heaven despite rejection of Christ, violates Jesus' own truth claim:

YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. Sending the disciples out on the Great Commission - to preach the gospel to all nations.
There is no POINT in witnessing to the Lost to convert to Christ, IF THEY GET THERE ANYWAYS, PLUS HAVE FUN DOING IT THEIR WAY.

Your entire theology refutes the Bible's plan of salvation and necessity of it.

With that said, I shake the dust from you becuz you're rejecting scriptures shown.
Using YOURS to REFUTE OURS/MINE means you're making the Bible say what you want it to, not reconciling ALL OF SCRIPTURE to come to the truth God gave us.
IE: the scriptures self refute one another.
It's either ALL truth from God, or you have NOTHING to base absolute truth about God .

UTTERMOST

No what we refute is the Babylonian concept of salvation and its limited duration. Salvation will happen to all men in God's timing not some fundamental religious bias organization. You call this the age of grace, no this is the church age; God’s grace will never end; it will keep saving into the uttermost.
Hebrews 7:25
NT:3838 panteles (pan-tel-ace'); from NT:3956 and NT:5056; full-ended, i.e. entire (neuter as noun, completion):
(Hebrews 7:25)
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them."
The Greek word is "entugchano" meaning: to meet with, converse with, have dealings with. Some of the corrupted theology of man teaches that Jesus Christ, as the compassionate Son, stands before the throne of God pleading with God to be kind to us, as if, without this pleading for us, God would be disposed to do us harm. Such is a vast caricature of the truth. God so loved the world that He gave His Son for us. "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself," It was the Father who sent Jesus to reveal that mercy and grace to us.
Therefore, we find that His intercession is to us-ward, to bring us back to the Father, working in us, to meet with us, reveal the Father's love to us, that we might turn and serve Him with all of our heart. We are the ones that need to be interceded with - to be conversed with, to be told of this tremendous salvation, this life which is for us in Christ. Because He ever liveth, His ministry shall not cease until He has drawn every one of us back unto the Father, "saved to the uttermost."
Luke 3: 6 (Amp)
And all mankind shall see (behold and [a]understand and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God (the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).


Are you born again because you have received Jesus as savior which is actually in most cases justified by faith; not born again. Born again is a catch all phase with many fundamental religions; I believe it is much deeper.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God
doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I sure do not fit this mode I still sin.

1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.


Here the word born speaks of to procreate, conceive and what I have seen of most evangelical fundamental religions this would be much more appropriate. It takes nine more months in a mothers womb to be born; the baby is in a deep dark place.

Born: NT:1080
gennao (ghen-nah'-o); from a variation of NT:1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:

 
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I'm spelling out what God has said about judgment AFTER DEATH -
using verses that apply to LIFE during God's period of grace and mercy to us - giving us time as He calls us to repentance, don't work for your cause.
When God tells you outright that He's judging a certain way, then trying to inject verses that apply to principles for LIFE here fail miserably.
You cannot manipulate them to cover how judges the lost after their death.

Matthew 25:44-46
44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45 "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

1 Cor 6:
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Galatians 5:21
envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:5
For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.


Rev 20:
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Mark 9:
43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Christ or Judgment

26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. (The Spirit and Father are both witnesses)
29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY " And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."
31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Rom. 9:
15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."
18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

Jude 1:7
just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Mat. 7:
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Rev 14:
10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (no rest = conscious/aware)

Rev 19:
20And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 21:8
" But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11 Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest to God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences.

Mt. 12:
35"The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil.

36"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, (not 2nd chances to try again).

Luke 12:
4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Mt. 8
12) But the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 8:11-12).

Luke 16:
27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

"you MUST be born again".

There are actually more verses that support eternal condemnation. These verses cannot be removed and rejected in order to use others.
Using verses to self refute one another only prove your Bible contradicts itself.

ALL SCRIPTURE WORKS TOGETHER TO BRING FULL TRUTH.​
That is what the Lake of Devine Purging is all about; to annihilate the sin; not the people (limited duration)
 
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I'm spelling out what God has said about judgment AFTER DEATH -
using verses that apply to LIFE during God's period of grace and mercy to us - giving us time as He calls us to repentance, don't work for your cause.
When God tells you outright that He's judging a certain way, then trying to inject verses that apply to principles for LIFE here fail miserably.
You cannot manipulate them to cover how judges the lost after their death.

Matthew 25:44-46
44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45 "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

1 Cor 6:
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Galatians 5:21
envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:5
For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.


Rev 20:
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Mark 9:
43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Christ or Judgment

26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. (The Spirit and Father are both witnesses)
29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY " And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."
31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Rom. 9:
15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."
18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

Jude 1:7
just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Mat. 7:
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Rev 14:
10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (no rest = conscious/aware)

Rev 19:
20And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 21:8
" But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11 Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest to God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences.

Mt. 12:
35"The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil.

36"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, (not 2nd chances to try again).

Luke 12:
4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Mt. 8
12) But the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 8:11-12).

Luke 16:
27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

"you MUST be born again".

There are actually more verses that support eternal condemnation. These verses cannot be removed and rejected in order to use others.
Using verses to self refute one another only prove your Bible contradicts itself.

ALL SCRIPTURE WORKS TOGETHER TO BRING FULL TRUTH.​
You obviously do not understand the dual nature of man which is both flesh and spirit; otherwise you would understand that it is the flesh (first Adam, or natural body, the goat) that is unrighteous and condemned. The Spirit within us (last Adam, or spiritual body, the sheep) is the righteous one that is saved.

1 Corinthians 15:42-49 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
 
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You obviously do not understand the dual nature of man which is both flesh and spirit; otherwise you would understand that it is the flesh (first Adam, or natural body, the goat) that is unrighteous and condemned. The Spirit within us (last Adam, or spiritual body, the sheep) is the righteous one that is saved.

1 Corinthians 15:42-49 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
You obviously can't accept God's statements of fact.
It isn't about MAN, IT'S ABOUT GOD'S STANDARD.

I don't need to know the "duality of man" when I have the CREED OF GOD who says that He will not allow the unbelieving and unrepentant lost into His kingdom.

What part of that is so confusing to you? IT IS BLACK AND WHITE in plain English (and Greek).

IF YOU LIVE THIS WAY, IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT, YOU WILL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
DO NOT BE DECIEVED.

It's not about US, it's about God's JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS.
 
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That is what the Lake of Devine Purging is all about; to annihilate the sin; not the people (limited duration)
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY? IT SAYS THEY GET THROWN IN, NOT THE SIN!

THEY are thrown in. again, you ignore God's words found everywhere -

IF YOU LIVE THIS WAY, IF YOU REJECT CHRIST/SALVATION YOU WILL NOT INHERIT HIS KINGDOM.
do not be decieved.

Again, accept God's plain words as they clearly state.
Or consider your bible a contradictory fallacy to remove these.
God cannot be any clearer. THIS is why people complain about "man made religion". Altering it to suit US.
 
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15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

(wouldn't it be BETTER if just the SIN was thrown in? This verse clearly shows it's the PERSON being cast in).

But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

not their SINS, them.
 
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Exactly!

When you give credit to man for ANYTHING, you are stepping out of the Spirit and into the flesh.
I have credited GOD in giving us His plain truth about how HE judges. It's His domain to judge and OUR job to accept whatever that is.

I can't personally reconcile how God is LOVE, yet is able to watch an infant molested by a brutal pervert! Could YOU do sit by and not rescue that infant??

If God is able in His sovereignty to allow things we see that go on down here, then we surely should be able to accept that His judgment can be forever on an unrepentant soul who chose to reject their ransom - to keep them from that very fate.
 
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Hi Ben12
Lets spell it out what you are saying


I says this

Hell is a correctional jail


People think; if one goes to hell, it will never leave there, this does not have sense.

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense
 
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Christ went down to the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who will hear will live." John 5:25 Jesus, " the Author of life," by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death , that is, the devil, and delivered all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage." Hebrew 2:14-15 (from the Catechism of the Catholic Church)
 
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Hi Ben12
Lets spell it out what you are saying


I says this

Hell is a correctional jail


People think; if one goes to hell, it will never leave there, this does not have sense.

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense
Hell GETS THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE - WHICH IS ETERNAL. Death, sin, unbelievers, Satan & his false prophet & antichrist also get thrown into the lake.

It is the 2nd death / eternal condemnation of the soul.

HELL is the temporary holding 'tank' for those who have died without Christ and await their final judgment before God - judged=sentence to punishment for all that is done IN the body (while alive).

Rev. 20:
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Are you guys even READING the verses provided here? Becuz you keep repeating your denials - all you're doing is showing your refusal to accept the Bible's claims.

They cannot be any clearer and detailed.
 
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15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

(wouldn't it be BETTER if just the SIN was thrown in? This verse clearly shows it's the PERSON being cast in).

But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

not their SINS, them.
Revelations is the most spiritual book written in the Bible; it is no wonder the carnal religous order has no clue. Revelation 2:11 ( 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; (not what it says literally/carnally/religiously but SPIRITUALLY) He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (or the Lake of Fire). This is what God’s purpose for the ages for God's called out, to overcome sin, death by the blood of the lamb. If you are an overcomer you are not effected by the Lake of Devine Purging; because you have overcome all.


I do believe the wicked punished (pruned) in the lake of fire; but not eternally. A careful study of the Greek word “aionios” (translated as “eternal,” “everlasting,” and “forever and ever” in our English translations) shows that it comes from the Greek noun “aion” which always means “an indeterminate period of time.” It is a most unfortunate thing that the translators of old chose to translate “aionios” from the Latin language rather than the Greek from which the word is derived. God’s punishment will not last forever as is commonly taught, but will only last for the ages and only UNTIL God’s purpose for it is complete.

I believe every word that the Bible says about the lake of fire; I don't believe what Rome says about it, nor what the apostate Churches say about it, nor what tradition says about it; but I certainly believe what the Bible says about it.

The teaching concerning the lake of fire does not appear anywhere in Scripture except in the book of Revelation (a book of symbols) where it is spoken of in the following passages: Rev. 14:10-11; 19:20; 20:10; 20:13-15 and 21:8. This last passage definitely states, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolators, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." There should be no question remaining as to the certainty of this lake of fire; neither should there be any doubt as to the awful consequence of having to be cast into it. These Scriptures with their dreadful foreboding should be a fearful warning to all unthinking and foolish people who, because of their love for the world, the flesh, and the devil, have dared to ask why we should serve God now if all are going to be saved eventually. Such people have no love for God nor fear of God, and they manifest by what they say that their professed serving of God is only a pretense, arising - not from any true love for Him - but from fear of punishment. If there were no prospect of hell these would promptly tell God to go to hell and they would, themselves, go to the devil. It is not thus with those who truly love God, for they serve not from fear, but from pure love and devotion. Remove punishment completely from the universe, and they would still serve God with all their hearts.


FIRE is the heat and light that you feel and see when something burns. It takes heat to start a fire, but once the fire is started it produces heat that keeps the process going. Thus, fire is really HEAT and LIGHT.

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I have credited GOD in giving us His plain truth about how HE judges. It's His domain to judge and OUR job to accept whatever that is.

I can't personally reconcile how God is LOVE, yet is able to watch an infant molested by a brutal pervert! Could YOU do sit by and not rescue that infant??

If God is able in His sovereignty to allow things we see that go on down here, then we surely should be able to accept that His judgment can be forever on an unrepentant soul who chose to reject their ransom - to keep them from that very fate.
It is God who does all these things.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

In Daniel 4, King Nebuchadnezzar claimed the kingdom he built was the work of his own hands. God brought disaster into his life, took everything from him, but left the “stump” until he acknowledged it was heaven that ruled.

You may say that disaster is Gods punishment for those who sin but think about Job who was perfect in Gods eyes. Job was a witness that both good and bad are from God and that we should accept it. We should trust that all God does is for His good purpose.

God does all these things you are talking about to bring man to his knees. And he leaves us there until we give all credit to Him, even credit for our salvation. No one can boast that their salvation is by choice; it is brought about by Gods "purifying fire".
 
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Look guys, you're REJECTING THE SCRIPTURES that spell the entire process out for you.
Not just Revelation either, Ben... 1 Cor 6:9 THOSE WHO LIVE THIS WAY WILL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
WILL NOT - it doesn't say "will enter later after they repent & God lets them back out". Adding, "DO NOT BE DECIEVED" to let you know, that they are NOT getting in EVER.

You guys continue rejecting what the Bible says, I'm done with you on it.
I posted the majority of all the verses thruout the entire NT that defeat your opinions and misuses of scriptures; yanking them from their proper contexts and inserting your own meanings into principles - ignoring what's already spelled out in how God judges the DEAD.

Just keep in mind that anyone you mislead with your opinions rather than what God's word says, you are responsible for once you've been shown the truth.

God wrote His word, let HIM tell you HIs truth - it's our job to comply and submit to His plan.
 
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Look guys, you're REJECTING THE SCRIPTURES that spell the entire process out for you.
Not just Revelation either, Ben... 1 Cor 6:9 THOSE WHO LIVE THIS WAY WILL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
WILL NOT - it doesn't say "will enter later after they repent & God lets them back out". Adding, "DO NOT BE DECIEVED" to let you know, that they are NOT getting in EVER.

You guys continue rejecting what the Bible says, I'm done with you on it.
I posted the majority of all the verses thruout the entire NT that defeat your opinions and misuses of scriptures; yanking them from their proper contexts and inserting your own meanings into principles - ignoring what's already spelled out in how God judges the DEAD.

Just keep in mind that anyone you mislead with your opinions rather than what God's word says, you are responsible for once you've been shown the truth.

God wrote His word, let HIM tell you HIs truth - it's our job to comply and submit to His plan.

Absolutely right, Nadiine. This is why I gave up on this thread a few days ago. Some folks can't be reached. My guess is, someone has a loved one or friend who isn't a believer, or who doesn't live by God's instructions. They try desperately to find a loophole so their loved one doesn't have to burn for eternity. In all the years I've been studying theology, it seems it always comes down to personal reasons why some can't accept what Scripture clearly states. They'll claim it isn't for these reasons, but deep down it usually is.

It is also clear you cannot change some folks ways of thinking.

Your effort was valiant and godly, but it has fallen on deaf ears. Thanks for trying to help show folks the truth of Scripture. Grace and Peace to you.
 
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Hi Ndiine

How you interpret what follows?

MATHHEW 24
15 9 "When you see the desolating abomination
10 spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then those in Judea must flee 11 to the mountains,
17 12 a person on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house,
18 a person in the field must not return to get his cloak.
19 Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.
20 13 Pray that your flight not be in winter or on the sabbath,
21 14 for at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will be.
22 And if those days had not been shortened, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect they will be shortened.
23 If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it.
24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will perform signs and wonders so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect.
25 Behold, I have told it to you beforehand.
 
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I says this

Hell is a correctional jail

Why do you say this ?

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense

Why would this make sense ? That says nothing about a relationship with the Lord but about things and actions - "do not handle ; do not taste ; do not touch" .
 
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Hell/lake of fire isn't CORRECTION - it's judgment and punishment of the deeds done in their life.
CORRECTION TIME IS HERE RIGHT NOW - while they can turn around from their sin and choose Christ.
RIGHT NOW is when they have correction & grace to accept Salvation.
Once it's over, it's judgment time. (see verse below).

Hell isn't actually where people STAY - death and hell are thrown INTO the Lake of Fire for eternity.
Hell is basically where the unsaved are awaiting their final judgment before God's throne. (White throne judgment).
When God is finished judging, Satan, his false prophets, the antichrist, all who rejected Jesus Christ as their Lord & Saviour along with death and hell are cast there.

ALL EVIL is put away and contained where it cannot get back out to corrupt life again.
Those who didn't want to submit to Christ and take His payment for their sin, STAND TO PAY THE PENALTY OF THEIR OWN SINS - they have no sacrifice.

God puts all evil away, so that all the creation can be restored and regenerated - all who accepted Christ's pardon for their sin and who live eternally in a restored world, are no longer affected by evil - it's been judged.

The fact that God would actually allow people who did all they wanted in this life - who mocked & persecuted God's people, who sacrificed NOTHING for the Lord - out of their judgment --while the believers had suffered and died to self to please the Lord and serve Him (LOSING this life for the next one), makes no sense.
It isn't JUST at all!
Hey, you guys forego this life and don't indulge in your very sin nature - carry your crosses, take the hateful world's mocking and persecution of you - and when it's all over, I LET THEM BACK OUT SO THEY CAN LIVE WITH YOU GUYS IN BLISS.

What is that??? Their PARDON & FORGIVENESS IS RIGHT NOW. Not AFTER God is proven to them visually - when they're in discomfort.
The blood pardon is for the SOUL - it is only available in THIS LIFE to take it or leave it to pay the penalty.
JUDGMENT COMES AFTER DEATH.
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

It isn't correction, IT'S SENTENCING TIME.

There's no 2nd chance after VISUALLY SEEING GOD and where you go! And what would they do upon this "correction"? SATAN IS PUT AWAY after all is judged - they don't get out and then retry life without rejection of God or "being good" after they're released!
IT'S OVER BY THEN. Satan & evil are judged & contained eternally.
What are they "correcting" as if they get back out & go thru life again?

It actually makes LESS SENSE that they get back out once put into the lake of fire [POND]
IF HELL IS THIS LOVELY POND, THEN WHY DID JESUS BOTHER TO WARN ANYONE OF HELL AND JUDGMENT???
Another thing to ponder.
If it's no big deal what happens, they get eternal life anyways, and it's just some happy pond, THEN WHY THE URGENCY of God having a bible written for some 4000 yrs., Christians going to their deaths in droves as martyrs from heinous persecutors and us dying to Self and suffering... all for eternal life -WHEN WE ALL GET IT ANYWAYS, EITHER WAY!~???
:doh: :confused: :doh:

It utterly makes no sense at all.
Lastly, what if you're wrong! You guys have no idea if your'e actually right. You're manipulating some verses (most outside their proper context) to apply it where you want and to mean what you want it to mean.
Matthew 5:13


13"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
 
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