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Still waiting, Erwin.

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Erwin: You still haven't answered any of the real questions we have.

1: Why do you think it is OK to hide Christ's name from the title of the website in an effort to get more people to come here? That means that in your eyes the name of God is a negative taint to the forums and that getting people here is more important to you than representing He who saved His children. Why is it OK to be ashamed of his name?

2: Why do you ignore the massive outrage that has been brought upon the forums as a result of this decision? In scanning this thread alone, the majority of both Christian's AND non-Christians seemed to prefer the site the way it was. Why do you ignore all of us? Because you spent so much money on the new domain? Sorry, but that was your bad decision, it doesn't mean that returning to the Christian Forums name wouldn't be the right thing to do.

3: Why do you not set a standard by which those who call themselves Christian must behave according to the guidelines set in the Bible? In refusing to do this, you invite any immature myspace punk in here and allow them to wear the mask of a Christian while acting completely in contrast to the teachings of Christ, therefore misrepresenting not only the Lord, but also this site to any one who comes here truly seeking help. It isn't spiritually healthy, it isn't smart, and it can't be allowed.

4: Why do you allow poll results to dictate how you represent Christ in your website? Why do you allow PEOPLE to change how you follow through with your own beliefs? If it were my site, I wouldn't have cared if the poll was %100-%0 in favor of the change, I wouldn't have done it because it isn't what the site is all about. Serving the Lord is more important than gaining new members, Erwin. If you do what's right for Him, he would've ensured that the website continued with or without new members. So why do you follow people before God?

5: How can you guarantee that this degeneration of the Christian society we once had here won't continue as the myspace generation filters in? You've already removed Christ from both the name and the appearance of the site to attract more members. How can you guarantee that you won't also remove him from your new "vision" that you keep touting? How are we to believe you?

6: Why don't you care that places like Christ Centered Forums have already nearly doubled their membership numbers because of those of us who are dissatisfied with what CF has become? Many members put their hard earned money into this place, and others like myself have come here routinely and referred people here and met a number of good friends. Why does our loyalty mean so little that you'd just as soon throw it away rather than listen too our requests?

7: I’m going to add this one for snoochface - “Please address the issue of how new CHRISTIANS will find this site, and why they would ever want to join it if they did. Many, many Christians came to this site through searching for Christian forums - you acknowledge that yourself in your FAQ. You also acknowledge that the site has lost many members since these changes, and after reading your responses you are very likely going to lose even more. So how are new Christians, or any Christians at all, going to come here to participate in your Joel Osteen-ish outreach program? And if they don't come, and you're losing the Christians who are here already, who is going to be doing this outreach?”

Those are the main questions I want answered, and I know a lot of other people here do, too. It would be nice if you stopped dancing around the subject and gave us some kind of explanation about these instead of that vague FAQ that really only explained your vision and answered none of the above questions.
 
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It IS an us and them issue

We as CHRISTIANS (Us who are speaking out) are being FORCED now to compromise doctrine we hold dear that comes from scripture, and this board NOW embraces doctrine saying that Jesus is not the only way, nor is he the only door, nor is He God. Pre 777 this was considered a heresy and false unchristian doctrine because it is anitbiblical... NOW it is legitimized as 'christian' doctrine, and we as christians understand that believing such things will damn a soul for all eternity
 
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It IS an us and them issue

We as CHRISTIANS (Us who are speaking out) are being FORCED now to compromise doctrine we hold dear that comes from scripture, and this board NOW embraces doctrine saying that Jesus is not the only way, nor is he the only door, nor is He God. Pre 777 this was considered a heresy and false unchristian doctrine because it is anitbiblical... NOW it is legitimized as 'christian' doctrine, and we as christians understand that believing such things will damn a soul for all eternity
No one if forcing you to believe anything, allow others the same respect.
 
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Originally Posted by The Bellman
And here is why the abolition of the Nicene-Creed acceptance to call yourself Christian doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because whatever restrictions you put on who can call themselves Christian, you will still fight among each other and call each other heretics. It seems to be an inevitable trait of just about all theologies. A person can fully accept the Nicene Creed and hold that homosexuality is not a sin; yet you would happily say that they are terribly wrong and endanger their own soul and those to whom they teach their 'heresy'. And the same is true of many other beliefs. A person can fully accept the Nicene Creed and hold the femism is a great or a terrible thing; that abortion should be legal or illegal; that works is more important than faith or vice versa and so forth. In the end, it doesn't matter what criteria you put on who can call themselves 'Christian', you'll still find something about them which will make them 'heretics'.

The Creed is just as much to set a standard for the Christians here, AS IT IS TO LET NONCHRISTIANS KNOW WHAT THE WEBMASTER IS DEFINING A CHRISTIAN AS.

I've gone to many religious websites, and my first page I hit is the "statement of beliefs". The minute I read any claims that are opposite what the Bible clearly teaches, I'm OUTTA THERE. I don't need to learn from false teachers.
A Christian coming here to join needs to know what type of christian community is here. If they want a watered down version that allows anyone who calls themself one, then THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THEM.

I never said the Nicene Creed would END all infighting, guess why ----- Becuz the people in the Christian sections that joined already agreed to it and the fights still went on - BUT THEY REJECTED THE BIBLE'S INSPIRATION FROM GOD and wouldn't accept it as any truth when we quoted it to them.
And THAT is why I said that clause of agreement to accepting the Bible is Inspired by God needs to be there.

That would draw a line for some - (and they know it and have been fighting against that).
The other Christian sites hold the proper standard of Christianity - and that's why a mass exodus happened here and integrity was lost.

Just becuz "Christians" fight, doesn't mean all of them do, and in fact, the truth is, many do not fight at all - so does that undermine your theory that since many don't fight that Christianity is right?

I see alot of nasty atheists, does that mean atheism or all atheists are evil? You tell me.
 
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Still waiting, Erwin.

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Erwin: You still haven't answered any of the real questions we have.

1: Why do you think it is OK to hide Christ's name from the title of the website in an effort to get more people to come here? That means that in your eyes the name of God is a negative taint to the forums and that getting people here is more important to you than representing He who saved His children. Why is it OK to be ashamed of his name?

2: Why do you ignore the massive outrage that has been brought upon the forums as a result of this decision? In scanning this thread alone, the majority of both Christian's AND non-Christians seemed to prefer the site the way it was. Why do you ignore all of us? Because you spent so much money on the new domain? Sorry, but that was your bad decision, it doesn't mean that returning to the Christian Forums name wouldn't be the right thing to do.

3: Why do you not set a standard by which those who call themselves Christian must behave according to the guidelines set in the Bible? In refusing to do this, you invite any immature myspace punk in here and allow them to wear the mask of a Christian while acting completely in contrast to the teachings of Christ, therefore misrepresenting not only the Lord, but also this site to any one who comes here truly seeking help. It isn't spiritually healthy, it isn't smart, and it can't be allowed.

4: Why do you allow poll results to dictate how you represent Christ in your website? Why do you allow PEOPLE to change how you follow through with your own beliefs? If it were my site, I wouldn't have cared if the poll was %100-%0 in favor of the change, I wouldn't have done it because it isn't what the site is all about. Serving the Lord is more important than gaining new members, Erwin. If you do what's right for Him, he would've ensured that the website continued with or without new members. So why do you follow people before God?

5: How can you guarantee that this degeneration of the Christian society we once had here won't continue as the myspace generation filters in? You've already removed Christ from both the name and the appearance of the site to attract more members. How can you guarantee that you won't also remove him from your new "vision" that you keep touting? How are we to believe you?

6: Why don't you care that places like Christ Centered Forums have already nearly doubled their membership numbers because of those of us who are dissatisfied with what CF has become? Many members put their hard earned money into this place, and others like myself have come here routinely and referred people here and met a number of good friends. Why does our loyalty mean so little that you'd just as soon throw it away rather than listen too our requests?

7: I’m going to add this one for snoochface - “Please address the issue of how new CHRISTIANS will find this site, and why they would ever want to join it if they did. Many, many Christians came to this site through searching for Christian forums - you acknowledge that yourself in your FAQ. You also acknowledge that the site has lost many members since these changes, and after reading your responses you are very likely going to lose even more. So how are new Christians, or any Christians at all, going to come here to participate in your Joel Osteen-ish outreach program? And if they don't come, and you're losing the Christians who are here already, who is going to be doing this outreach?”

Those are the main questions I want answered, and I know a lot of other people here do, too. It would be nice if you stopped dancing around the subject and gave us some kind of explanation about these instead of that vague FAQ that really only explained your vision and answered none of the above questions.

1) How do you know what Erwin sees "That means that in your eyes the name of God is a negative taint to the forums and that getting people here is more important to you than representing He who saved His children. Why is it OK to be ashamed of his name?"

2) How many are posting vs how many members ? is it above 50% (Required to be a Majority)

3) Even in the old site "christians" didn't behave themselfs.

4) You must not of read the FAQ Erwin posted, this WAS Answered, and It's not your site.

5) There is no Guarantee in life. Or are you special, and you've got one ?

6) CCF Total Member Count 724 so in all this hub bub only 362 Signed up ?? hardly a major defection of CFs member count of over 200,000 (In fact that's less than 0.2%)

7) Well I guess Christians (like churches) will reach out to the people they know and introduce them to the site (like they do to there local churches)
 
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Your position seems to be valid only if we do not believe or follow the entire gospel, because it is also written (From 2nd John)

9Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
 
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I don't believe it was ever a christian board. The name of the thing is not the thing itself. What it should be is a board with a lot of christians.

you can translate it to what ever you want. but the truth is we all became members of CHRISTIAN forums. but now suddenly we are a 200,000 member strong social network forum.

to be honest erwin should shut the cf site down and open his new site to membership.
 
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It IS an us and them issue

We as CHRISTIANS (Us who are speaking out) are being FORCED now to compromise doctrine we hold dear that comes from scripture, and this board NOW embraces doctrine saying that Jesus is not the only way, nor is he the only door, nor is He God. Pre 777 this was considered a heresy and false unchristian doctrine because it is anitbiblical... NOW it is legitimized as 'christian' doctrine, and we as christians understand that believing such things will damn a soul for all eternity

Do you have proof of that in any official document? I have copies of most versions of the CF Rules since the beginning of 2006 in my archives and I don't see it in there.
 
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It IS an us and them issue

We as CHRISTIANS (Us who are speaking out) are being FORCED now to compromise doctrine we hold dear that comes from scripture, and this board NOW embraces doctrine saying that Jesus is not the only way, nor is he the only door, nor is He God. Pre 777 this was considered a heresy and false unchristian doctrine because it is anitbiblical... NOW it is legitimized as 'christian' doctrine, and we as christians understand that believing such things will damn a soul for all eternity

Only superficial Christians will say "us and them" issue when it should be that we ourselves should be accountable to God and serve Him.
 
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We can no longer stand here and say that doctrine is not Christian... they have their own subforum here and are being endorsed as christian... the passage i posted above shows that if we wish to remain obedient to the bible we may have to leave here because we are not to fellowship with those who endorse such things
 
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you can translate it to what ever you want. but the truth is we all became members of CHRISTIAN forums. but now suddenly we are a 200,000 member strong social network forum.

to be honest erwin should shut the cf site down and open his new site to membership.

Do you have a copy of the site's baptismal record? I understand baptism (whether by water, blood, or desire) is how one becomes a a christian.
 
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We can no longer stand here and say that doctrine is not Christian... they have their own subforum here and are being endorsed as christian... the passage i posted above shows that if we wish to remain obedient to the bible we may have to leave here because we are not to fellowship with those who endorse such things

Cornelius?
 
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If you will look in the subforum section of the non-nicene forum in theology, youll see that UU's now have a hapopy home here. They are being passed off as 'christian' when pre 777 this never could have happened. We arent even supposed to fellowship here under these circumstances nor are we to welcome it according to 2nd john. Erwin has created new things here which now embraces these heresies as christian doctrine
 
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CaDan said:
Do you have proof of that in any official document? I have copies of most versions of the CF Rules since the beginning of 2006 in my archives and I don't see it in there.


(dont forget repent and believe) ;)
 
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We can no longer stand here and say that doctrine is not Christian... they have their own subforum here and are being endorsed as christian... the passage i posted above shows that if we wish to remain obedient to the bible we may have to leave here because we are not to fellowship with those who endorse such things

You don't personally need to endorse anything.
But the fact is there are people who identify themselves as Christians that believe differently then others who also identify themselves as Christians.

That is life my friend.
 
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It IS an us and them issue

We as CHRISTIANS (Us who are speaking out) are being FORCED now to compromise doctrine we hold dear that comes from scripture, and this board NOW embraces doctrine saying that Jesus is not the only way, nor is he the only door, nor is He God. Pre 777 this was considered a heresy and false unchristian doctrine because it is anitbiblical... NOW it is legitimized as 'christian' doctrine, and we as christians understand that believing such things will damn a soul for all eternity
You know, the fact is on the other sites, the site owners & moderators are guarding the integrity of God's word and making sure it's staying where it should stay - not bringing in a bunch of Christians that all believe whatever they want and slap the name "Christian" to it.

The CARM forum actually removed any Universalism debates altogether. The owners refused to allow a doctrine to be preached that led people to the error of thinking that they didn't need salvation, and that we could live any way we wanted.
So that doctrine is forbidden there.

I SAY, PRAISE GOD for ending confusion and error. CF at least moved Universalism debating to a specific area and made it a violation to debate it outside the area.
NOW IT'S WIDE OPEN.

(I think the Creed would of stopped that too)
 
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We can no longer stand here and say that doctrine is not Christian... they have their own subforum here and are being endorsed as christian... the passage i posted above shows that if we wish to remain obedient to the bible we may have to leave here because we are not to fellowship with those who endorse such things

Based on whose doctrines?
 
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If you will look in the subforum section of the non-nicene forum in theology, youll see that UU's now have a hapopy home here. They are being passed off as 'christian' when pre 777 this never could have happened. We arent even supposed to fellowship here under these circumstances nor are we to welcome it according to 2nd john. Erwin has created new things here which now embraces these heresies as christian doctrine

Biblically, we are to fellowhip but NOT conforming to this world.

There is a differences between "seperation" and "living" in this world.
 
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Do you have a copy of the site's baptismal record? I understand baptism (whether by water, blood, or desire) is how one becomes a a christian.

you do not have to agree with me, but could you please quit pretending that you don't understand?
 
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