Foru.ms - a new beginning and a fresh start (2)

[rushingwind62]

Are we glorifying God by complaining? You mean those of us who are standing up to defend the name of Christ and are lobbying for His name to be returned to the name and appearance of the site?

I see, so the old CF had too much arguing because it was called "Christian" but now that its not there will be no more arguements? Perhaps that will true - when the myspace generation filters out all the remaining believers and makes this place into just another forum.

I'm sorry, this is not an attack, but I can't make sense of your reasoning.

And people who say that "things happen as they happen and we have to make the best of it" give over to easily to defeat. I won't sit down while the name of the Lord is steamrolled by the myspace generation.

I am not meaning to attack you either. We just disagree about how things should be handled now that the change is in place. I am staying regardless of what happens from here on out. But I will be spending most of my time in the missions threads.No hard feelings and God Bless You!!

 

[No Swansong]

You mean the same one as is in my sig?

That is the one I was referring to yes.

 

[joebudda]

The "old way" was intolerant of people who didn't believe as the lemmings. A Christian who didn't blindly follow and actually thought for themselves was outcast and labeled as not a "true Christian".

This can only be explained as fear of people who think for themselves.
It is truly sad really.

To return to that would be a real crime.

 

[The Bellman]

Well great, thanks for not faking what you don't believe! (you're basically harming yourself or wasting your own time by it anyways)...
Sinful behaviour doesn't "KEEP" people from being Christian! We don't profess that at all. We claim that refusing to accept that it IS sin or repenting of it SHOWS FRUIT THAT YOU PROBABLY WERE NEVER A CHRISTIAN in the first place.

Regular/continual, unrepented sin in someone's life who claims to be Christian imo from scripture is 1 of 2 things: they're in a temporary backslidden spiritual condition where they're going thru some struggles or carnality (still feeling conviction by God for sin, just not doing anything about it),
Or, they aren't actually saved.

We only focus on sin here BECUZ PEOPLE (who call themselves Christian) ARE LITERALLY PROCLAIMING THAT SEXUAL PERVERSIONS AREN'T SIN AT ALL.

If people weren't coming in denying things are sin, why would we sit and hammer people about sin??? I wouldn't have to bring it up, nor would I.
Don't give false teachings, AND YOU WON'T HEAR OUR CORRECTIONS using the Bible.
We'd love to be more positive and 'funloving', but at every turn, we're battling false teachings being thrown around.
Trust me, we get just as tired of saying it as others get tired of hearing it. No one likes it, but it's our duty.

And here is why the abolition of the Nicene-Creed acceptance to call yourself Christian doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because whatever restrictions you put on who can call themselves Christian, you will still fight among each other and call each other heretics. It seems to be an inevitable trait of just about all theologies. A person can fully accept the Nicene Creed and hold that homosexuality is not a sin; yet you would happily say that they are terribly wrong and endanger their own soul and those to whom they teach their 'heresy'. And the same is true of many other beliefs. A person can fully accept the Nicene Creed and hold the femism is a great or a terrible thing; that abortion should be legal or illegal; that works is more important than faith or vice versa and so forth. In the end, it doesn't matter what criteria you put on who can call themselves 'Christian', you'll still find something about them which will make them 'heretics'.

 

[ravendta]

The "old way" was intolerant of people who didn't believe as the lemmings. A Christian who didn't blindly follow and actually thought for themselves was outcast and labeled as not a "true Christian".

This can only be explained as fear of people who think for themselves.
It is truly sad really.

To return to that would be a real crime.

Wow, this is an example of just how close-minded people can be. To think I actually thought we might be able to have a rational discussion. I'm glad you didn't PM me when I invited you to.

 

[ravendta]

And here is why the abolition of the Nicene-Creed acceptance to call yourself Christian doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because whatever restrictions you put on who can call themselves Christian, you will still fight among each other and call each other heretics. It seems to be an inevitable trait of just about all theologies. A person can fully accept the Nicene Creed and hold that homosexuality is not a sin; yet you would happily say that they are terribly wrong and endanger their own soul and those to whom they teach their 'heresy'. And the same is true of many other beliefs. A person can fully accept the Nicene Creed and hold the femism is a great or a terrible thing; that abortion should be legal or illegal; that works is more important than faith or vice versa and so forth. In the end, it doesn't matter what criteria you put on who can call themselves 'Christian', you'll still find something about them which will make them 'heretics'.

Just because you believe your way to be a more peaceful way (which I don't necessarily agree with) doesn't make it the right way.

I love how people discount the beliefs of Chrisitians or any other spiritual group simply because there are disagreements amongst each other and radicals who cause fights. So because people are imperfect, that must mean that God doesn't exist, right?

Your logic makes no sense.

 

[The Bellman]

Just because you believe your way to be a more peaceful way (which I don't necessarily agree with) doesn't make it the right way.

It has nothing to do with what is the more peaceful way; I'm not even proposing a 'way'.

I love how people discount the beliefs of Chrisitians or any other spiritual group simply because there are disagreements amongst each other and radicals who cause fights. So because people are imperfect, that must mean that God doesn't exist, right?

I nowhere discounted anything. Did you even read my post? Your paragraph above bears no relationship to anything I wrote.

Your logic makes no sense.

I don't think you even partially understood my post, judging by your response.

 

[ravendta]

It has nothing to do with what is the more peaceful way; I'm not even proposing a 'way'.


I nowhere discounted anything. Did you even read my post? Your paragraph above bears no relationship to anything I wrote.


I don't think you even partially understood my post, judging by your response.

I did read your response - it was a disgusting generalization of something you obviously think you know everything about. You claim that all Christians fight each other - and that all religions do the same - and brand each other as heretics and that no matter what creeds or beliefs we adapt we'll still do the same thing.

What disgusts me is that you think you know every Christian simply by watching the actions of a few. We are well aware our church leaders have false teachers amongst them, and we are well aware of those who would deceive the world into hating us by making them believe things like you do. Hate to tell you this, but you've been deceived by a lie - and unless you've met and interacted with every Christian on the planet, your generalization holds no water. Many are as you say they are, but MANY are not.

 

[invisible trousers]

No, the horrible, horrible unbeliever has got it completely right. His initial post was right, and his observation that you don't [partially] understand it is right. I also think it's pretty obvious he's talking about a specific subset of christians, not christians as a whole.

Any time you make up arbitrary standards to determine who is christian there is going to be fighting.

 

[The Bellman]

I did read your response - it was a disgusting generalization of something you obviously think you know everything about. You claim that all Christians fight each other - and that all religions do the same - and brand each other as heretics and that no matter what creeds or beliefs we adapt we'll still do the same thing.

What disgusts me is that you think you know every Christian simply by watching the actions of a few. We are well aware our church leaders have false teachers amongst them, and we are well aware of those who would deceive the world into hating us by making them believe things like you do. Hate to tell you this, but you've been deceived by a lie - and unless you've met and interacted with every Christian on the planet, your generalization holds no water. Many are as you say they are, but MANY are not.

Wow. You have some anger issues, don't you? I should have realised from your replies to others who happen to disagree with you that I wouldn't get a civil reply...my mistake. Have a nice life.

 

[joebudda]

Wow, this is an example of just how close-minded people can be. To think I actually thought we might be able to have a rational discussion. I'm glad you didn't PM me when I invited you to.

I apologize, but the intolerance and arrogance that striped people from what they identified themselves with disgusts me. I see it as method of dehumanizing others.

I admit this is an emotional position I am taking. But I also believe it is completely reasonable. This "us and them" mentality is the problem, and I also admit I just fell in to the same line of thinking being I classified a group of people. But being intolerant of intolerance is the only intolerance I can tolerate.

I believe anyone can believe anything they want, and I will support them 100%, but when someone starts enforcing what they believe on to others I see that as just plain wrong.

I am sorry if you took it personally, my point was meant to point to the behavior not a particular belief.

I do think we would have a stimulating conversation if we ever were too though.

 

[Nadiine]

No, the horrible, horrible unbeliever has got it completely right. His initial post was right, and his observation that you don't [partially] understand it is right. I also think it's pretty obvious he's talking about a specific subset of christians, not christians as a whole.

Any time you make up arbitrary standards to determine who is christian there is going to be fighting.

Define what you consider arbitrary!
When so many erase the Bible's standards... those who hold to those aren't using arbitrary standards.
Those who are ignoring the bible ARE - placing opinion and self will over scripture.

I'll take God's standards written out for me - thank you.
Unless you're my judge and I give an account to you for my life?

 

[Doubtless]

Foru.ms - a new beginning and a fresh start


Hi everyone

Yes, as you can see, Christian Forums is now called Foru.ms, and the new web address is the same as the name, "foru.ms" - short, simple and to the point.

This name change has been suggested to me by several members and is in line with the recent changes to the direction of the website.

In summary:

Name:
Foru.ms

Slogan:
Forums-based Social Networking For You

Vision:
An online forums-based self-governing social networking community guided by Christian principles for everyone.

Mission:

1. To establish and grow a self-governing community that is open to everyone guided by rules driven by Christian principles which are collaboratively agreed upon by all members, keeping in mind:
Gal 5:22-23 GNT But the Spirit produces love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, humility, and self-control. There is no law against such things as these.

2. To provide a meeting place for Christians to fellowship with one another and outreach to non-Christians, keeping in mind:
2 Cor 5:17-18 GNT Anyone who is joined to Christ is a new being; the old is gone, the new has come. All this is done by God, who through Christ changed us from enemies into his friends and gave us the task of making others his friends also.

The above statements summarises the new direction and vision of the site.

What does it all mean?

1. It means that all members will be given the power to self-govern by collaboratively working together with coming up with the rules for this whole community, including voting for their own moderators.

2. It means that members who want their particular forums to have certain restrictions may do as this is part of self-governance. Sub-forums members will be able to develop their own rules and choose their own moderators.

3. It means that this site will be continue to be open to people from all backgrounds and give them the opportunity to interact.

From a practical point of view, everything should really function as before prior to the name and vision change, except that now we have a much broader vision and goal than before.

Thank you for all your patience. It's 12:30 am here now and I have an all-day medical conference tomorrow (yes, on Sunday) to attend so I need to sleep - I hope to check up on Foru.ms to ensure everything is going okay.

Feel free to discuss this change in this thread.

Jesus said "A city on a hill cannot be hid." Not, "If the people will move into the valley, instead of on the hill, they'll be more influential in the lives of sinners, and they'll be able to convert more people." Something I learned from a youth pastor I once met: it's harder to pull someone up than it is for them to pull you down. Stand on a chair (righteousness), and see how easy it is for someone (the wicked) to pull you off. The only way you can get someone to get up on the chair, is by standing proudly on it, and showing them how great it is: then, they'll get up on it themselves. That's what free-choice is. Do one thing for me, Erwin and any of you who believe in this new and Godless site, go to Yahoo! and search under VIDEOS for "My Jesus by Todd Agnew." Or, just search for the song. Listen to it. Listen hard.

Our (true Christians) full purpose in life is to glorify Jesus, not to save souls. If you turn, for one second, from looking at Jesus, to look at the man next to you, you'll start walking towards that man, rather than towards Jesus. If we glorify God, others will see how great He is, and they too will glorify Him. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify the Father, which is in heaven." Pure and simple, my friend: you walk towards the light, and others will see you, and think "Wow! That guy's really neat! There must really be something to this 'Christian' stuff!" Nobody's going to listen to a man tell them how to get saved, who won't even put the Name of Christ in the name of his supposedly Christian website. You've taken the God out of my Church, the "In Jesus' Name" out of my prayer, the blood off of that beautiful cross, the nails out of His hands, the crown of thorns off of His head. I won't stand for it.

One last comment:

"What fellowship hath the children of light, with the children of darkness?"

EDIT: There once was a day, when even burning martyrs could cry out with all truth, "I'm proud to be a CHRISTIAN!" You, Erwin and others, untortured, uncursed, unjailed, unburned, have taken down the Holy Plaque that was once nailed to the very top of this site that read "Christian".

 

[lostStarlight]

well after few mins in the shout box i started to look up what is the big deal it seems that the name of this site as changed so why you fussing over it its just a name. dont you know its not the name that makes up what this place is. in other words its not the buding that makes the church its hte ppl and the actions they take and the hearts of the ppl.

So its not the name that makes this site its the ppl who post on here and what they do and whtas in thire hearts.

btw i am new so i came under this name so yeah it doe not bug me.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Its not just the name, not at all

This board is now not only no longer a christian board, but ir has embraced and allowed a home for heresies including Jesus is not God nor is He the only door

 

[D'Ann]

You are not wrong there - I think we need to come up with a set of Christian principles that are non-negotiable - then people can develop a set of rules via the collaborative wiki process BASED on the principles.

That would be a good direction to start. A strong foundation to build on is always a good direction to go with.

Something like the 5 pillars of Wikipedia which their rules are based on - we can come up with 7 Christian principles.

What kind of Christian priniciples would we start with, good question. I know that some suggested the 10 commandments. I like the Matthew 5 - Beattitudes, but I don't know if the Beattitudes would all work, but maybe they can be a good start to help support behind the 7 principles. I do believe that the 2 commandments that Jesus stated are good to use as a foundation that we can build on... just thinking out loud.

I think the superadmins might be able to help out in this area too.

But how do we come up with these 7 principles? I could just come up with them I suppose.

Maybe a joint effort with your input and the superadmins input as well. This is something that you and those you trust can work on via prayers and then input.

I need to catch up on this thread, so if I have repeated anything that someone else has said... ooops.

Although, I did read the post(s) that someone suggested the 10 commandments.

 

[CaDan]

"What fellowship hath the children of light, with the children of darkness?"

Table fellowship.

Try the shrimp--it's excellent!

 

[joebudda]

well after few mins in the shout box i started to look up what is the big deal it seems that the name of this site as changed so why you fussing over it its just a name. dont you know its not the name that makes up what this place is. in other words its not the buding that makes the church its hte ppl and the actions they take and the hearts of the ppl.

So its not the name that makes this site its the ppl who post on here and what they do and whtas in thire hearts.

btw i am new so i came under this name so yeah it doe not bug me.

Welcome.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Its not just the name, not at all

This board is now not only no longer a christian board, but ir has embraced and allowed a home for heresies including Jesus is not God nor is He the only door

Can you imagine how many years God went through this? He don't need us to control heresies because He can do it Himself. What He want most from us is submitting to Him and His plans (whatever that may be).

Of course, our "flesh" prefer to follow own's plans.

 

[CaDan]

Its not just the name, not at all

This board is now not only no longer a christian board, but ir has embraced and allowed a home for heresies including Jesus is not God nor is He the only door

I don't believe it was ever a christian board. The name of the thing is not the thing itself. What it should be is a board with a lot of christians.