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So no one can change there mind ?

I know a few cities in the Bible are glad God had a change of heart.

For me, it isn't about the changing of his mind, I can totally understand and relate to that myself, it's how to reationalize it being only that, when he bid on the domain foru.ms the day before he even posted the poll where he said he'd abide by the outcome of the vote. Why would he sink $7000 into a new domain for CF, unless he'd already decided to do it? If he'd already decided to do it, why post a poll? Why say it's up to the membership?
 
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Did those smiley's have butts?

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And it's just those kinds of sinful statements that send people to destruction!:preach:







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(I haven't beat the pulpit in a few posts... I didn't want people to think we let up or smiled):mad:
 
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yeah, but there is no rule 1.3
Yep, you're right. There is no 1.3 or 1.6 anymore...

OK, now I'm getting upset all over again... These don't look anything like the rules I read when I signed up only 3 weeks ago -- when incidently, I was looking to become a member of a CHRISTIAN forum.
 
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For me, it isn't about the changing of his mind, I can totally understand and relate to that myself, it's how to reationalize it being only that, when he bid on the domain foru.ms the day before he even posted the poll where he said he'd abide by the outcome of the vote. Why would he sink $7000 into a new domain for CF, unless he'd already decided to do it? If he'd already decided to do it, why post a poll? Why say it's up to the membership?
Not sure why, but that is a full-on lie. If what you said is true, it can't even be debated. It's pure deception.
 
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For me, it isn't about the changing of his mind, I can totally understand and relate to that myself, it's how to reationalize it being only that, when he bid on the domain foru.ms the day before he even posted the poll where he said he'd abide by the outcome of the vote. Why would he sink $7000 into a new domain for CF, unless he'd already decided to do it? If he'd already decided to do it, why post a poll? Why say it's up to the membership?
That's the $7000 question!
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For me, it isn't about the changing of his mind, I can totally understand and relate to that myself, it's how to reationalize it being only that, when he bid on the domain foru.ms the day before he even posted the poll where he said he'd abide by the outcome of the vote. Why would he sink $7000 into a new domain for CF, unless he'd already decided to do it? If he'd already decided to do it, why post a poll? Why say it's up to the membership?
I don't know why he didn't just open a SECOND forum if he wanted to radically alter the site like this... It doesn't make good business sense either, IMHO.

OK, I'm going to beg off this thread for now. I don't need to feel more hostility at this point.
 
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Not sure why, but that is a full-on lie. If what you said is true, it can't even be debated. It's pure deception.
what he said IS true, and thats why many have already left and why we are standing. If people who supported this site with their time efforts and money were made these promices, plus the promice we would always keep at least the standard of the nicene creed, which was also promised and then renegged upon, they temnd to lose4 confidance, and when God is attacked, those who love Him tend to stand
 
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Not sure why, but that is a full-on lie. If what you said is true, it can't even be debated. It's pure deception.

Not posting this with maliciousness, just wanting to get to teh bottom of what's really going on, and why.

Erwin's post on 7/27/07 starting his poll.
http://foru.ms/t5787680-at-crossroads-cfs-vision-poll-vote-only-here.html


Erwin's bid on the foru.ms domain, put in the day before the poll started, 07/26/07.
http://www.afternic.com/bidhist.php?id=13805887

Erwin saying on 08/19/07 that he never thought about changing the name until seeing the results of the poll.
http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37891292&postcount=194
 
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For me, it isn't about the changing of his mind, I can totally understand and relate to that myself, it's how to reationalize it being only that, when he bid on the domain foru.ms the day before he even posted the poll where he said he'd abide by the outcome of the vote. Why would he sink $7000 into a new domain for CF, unless he'd already decided to do it? If he'd already decided to do it, why post a poll? Why say it's up to the membership?
No, he sank 7K into a domain name.

How many sites does he run / is he allowed to run ?

Did you know I own about 6 domain names ?

I was reading some of the postings, and it sounded like he had other possible uses also for the domain name.
 
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I posted this earlier, and I want to keep it fresh on the forum pages so that whenever Erwin checks in, he'll see it. Sorry for the repost, but until these questions get answered, many of us will feel betrayed and left in the dark.

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Erwin: You still haven't answered any of the real questions we have.

1: Why do you think it is OK to hide Christ's name from the title of the website in an effort to get more people to come here? That means that in your eyes the name of God is a negative taint to the forums and that getting people here is more important to you than representing He who saved His children. Why is it OK to be ashamed of his name?

2: Why do you ignore the massive outrage that has been brought upon the forums as a result of this decision? In scanning this thread alone, the majority of both Christian's AND non-Christians seemed to prefer the site the way it was. Why do you ignore all of us? Because you spent so much money on the new domain? Sorry, but that was your bad decision, it doesn't mean that returning to the Christian Forums name wouldn't be the right thing to do.

3: Why do you not set a standard by which those who call themselves Christian must behave according to the guidelines set in the Bible? In refusing to do this, you invite any immature myspace punk in here and allow them to wear the mask of a Christian while acting completely in contrast to the teachings of Christ, therefore misrepresenting not only the Lord, but also this site to any one who comes here truly seeking help. It isn't spiritually healthy, it isn't smart, and it can't be allowed.

4: Why do you allow poll results to dictate how you represent Christ in your website? Why do you allow PEOPLE to change how you follow through with your own beliefs? If it were my site, I wouldn't have cared if the poll was %100-%0 in favor of the change, I wouldn't have done it because it isn't what the site is all about. Serving the Lord is more important than gaining new members, Erwin. If you do what's right for Him, he would've ensured that the website continued with or without new members. So why do you follow people before God?

5: How can you guarantee that this degeneration of the Christian society we once had here won't continue as the myspace generation filters in? You've already removed Christ from both the name and the appearance of the site to attract more members. How can you guarantee that you won't also remove him from your new "vision" that you keep touting? How are we to believe you?

6: Why don't you care that places like Christ Centered Forums have already nearly doubled their membership numbers because of those of us who are dissatisfied with what CF has become? Many members put their hard earned money into this place, and others like myself have come here routinely and referred people here and met a number of good friends. Why does our loyalty mean so little that you'd just as soon throw it away rather than listen too our requests?

7: I’m going to add this one for snoochface - “Please address the issue of how new CHRISTIANS will find this site, and why they would ever want to join it if they did. Many, many Christians came to this site through searching for Christian forums - you acknowledge that yourself in your FAQ. You also acknowledge that the site has lost many members since these changes, and after reading your responses you are very likely going to lose even more. So how are new Christians, or any Christians at all, going to come here to participate in your Joel Osteen-ish outreach program? And if they don't come, and you're losing the Christians who are here already, who is going to be doing this outreach?”

Those are the main questions I want answered, and I know a lot of other people here do, too. It would be nice if you stopped dancing around the subject and gave us some kind of explanation about these instead of that vague FAQ that really only explained your vision and answered none of the above questions.
 
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No, he sank 7K into a domain name.

How many sites does he run / is he allowed to run ?

Did you know I own about 6 domain names ?

I was reading some of the postings, and it sounded like he had other possible uses also for the domain name.

That's a fair enough opinion, but I haven't seen anything alluding to that. If that's the case, how does he expect to have time for another forum site, when he professes (believably, mind you) to have such little time for this one?
 
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No, he sank 7K into a domain name.

How many sites does he run / is he allowed to run ?

Did you know I own about 6 domain names ?

I was reading some of the postings, and it sounded like he had other possible uses also for the domain name.
OK, one more post on this! LOL

I don't understand why Erwin would turn this place upside-down and risk losing suporters and such when if he wanted to run a secular site he could've done so.

I mean he's losing members, supporters, search engine ranking, etc... etc... It just doesn't make any sense to me. If this truly is for outreach then why on the slogan threads is he making such a big deal about the suggestions that are still "too Christian" and not focused enough on outreach?

OK, these are all the same issues I though about on Saturday. I thought I was over it all and moving forward, but I guess not... I would very much like to have been able to enjoy a truly Christian web forum for more than 3 weeks. It was like a huge tease to think I would be "safe" from the harassment in the "real world" only to have it forced back upon me.
 
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I don't know why he didn't just open a SECOND forum if he wanted to radically alter the site like this... It doesn't make good business sense either, IMHO.

OK, I'm going to beg off this thread for now. I don't need to feel more hostility at this point.
Erwin already answered this question directly - he said something to the effect of it's too much to run 2 separate forums w/ staff etc. and handle 2 sites.

I can understand that too.
 
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Erwin already answered this question directly - he said something to the effect of it's too much to run 2 separate forums w/ staff etc. and handle 2 sites.

I can understand that too.
Ah, I wasn't aware he had addressed that. I agree it would be incredibly challenging for someone not doing it on a full-time basis as their primary job.
 
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I would very much like to have been able to enjoy a truly Christian web forum for more than 3 weeks. It was like a huge tease to think I would be "safe" from the harassment in the "real world" only to have it forced back upon me.

Those of us who've wanted to continue in that kind of an atmosphere have gone here:

http://www.christcenteredforums.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=948

It's not as active as CF is/was, but if you look in the "Welcome to New Members" forum, you'll see an endless string of people who've gone there from here, and the more people that go, the more active it will be.

Hope to see you there!
 
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what he said IS true, and thats why many have already left and why we are standing. If people who supported this site with their time efforts and money were made these promices, plus the promice we would always keep at least the standard of the nicene creed, which was also promised and then renegged upon, they temnd to lose4 confidance, and when God is attacked, those who love Him tend to stand
thats why i left, this is actually the only thread i read, and i used to be here for hours every day.

i have been lied to so many times in my life, so even a little lie will get me mad, this kind of behavior from a webmaster, now i will never be able to trust him, Lord forgive me, but i am hurt enough
 
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