chuck was mad that mcdonalds breakfast ends at eleven oclock so he roundhouse kicked the restraunt into a Denny's.
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
How the Democratic Party opposes Christian Principles
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christalee4
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I thought I would repost this one more time for Clirus, just in case he got the courage to post his views on the most important issues of Biblical law, which is
Punishment:
"Originally Posted by christalee4
So since the Bible mandates such laws, are you for laws that punish people who are homosexual, who are adulterers, who are heretics and blasphemers, and children who wilfully disobey their parents, with Biblical judgements such as stoning, burning to death, the sword or hanging?
Please be honest, and hopefully then we can put this controversial issue to rest."
And again:
I'll keep moving this up for Clirus, in case he missed it on the second or third go-around.
Clirus, why do you side-step these issues? Are they too controversial for you? If Biblical Law is indeed mandated, then these laws need to be taken into consideration, especially when there are so many Atheists and heretics doing harm to our society.
Your thoughts on the specifics?"
Is Punishment and Biblical Law enforcement that difficult of an issue for you?
Why not come clean?
Punishment:
"Originally Posted by christalee4
So since the Bible mandates such laws, are you for laws that punish people who are homosexual, who are adulterers, who are heretics and blasphemers, and children who wilfully disobey their parents, with Biblical judgements such as stoning, burning to death, the sword or hanging?
Please be honest, and hopefully then we can put this controversial issue to rest."
And again:
I'll keep moving this up for Clirus, in case he missed it on the second or third go-around.
Clirus, why do you side-step these issues? Are they too controversial for you? If Biblical Law is indeed mandated, then these laws need to be taken into consideration, especially when there are so many Atheists and heretics doing harm to our society.
Your thoughts on the specifics?"
Is Punishment and Biblical Law enforcement that difficult of an issue for you?
Why not come clean?
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Nathan Poe
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While playing soccer, Chuck Norris kicked a shot that sailed over the goal and never hit the ground. Until recently, the ball was known as "Pluto."
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KomissarSteve
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"Angels sang out...in immaculate chorus...
Down from the heavens...descended Chuck Norris..."
Down from the heavens...descended Chuck Norris..."
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When I confronted him the a conflict between what he says about helping the poor and those in need and what the Bible tells us, Clirus grew silent and did not answer. There seems to be a pattern here.
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christalee4 quote
I thought I would repost this one more time for Clirus, just in case he got the courage to post his views on the most important issues of Biblical law, which is
Punishment:
"Originally Posted by christalee4
So since the Bible mandates such laws, are you for laws that punish people who are homosexual, who are adulterers, who are heretics and blasphemers, and children who wilfully disobey their parents, with Biblical judgements such as stoning, burning to death, the sword or hanging?
Please be honest, and hopefully then we can put this controversial issue to rest."
And again:
I'll keep moving this up for Clirus, in case he missed it on the second or third go-around.
Clirus, why do you side-step these issues? Are they too controversial for you? If Biblical Law is indeed mandated, then these laws need to be taken into consideration, especially when there are so many Atheists and heretics doing harm to our society.
Your thoughts on the specifics?"
Is Punishment and Biblical Law enforcement that difficult of an issue for you?
Why not come clean?
Response
Already answered in discussion three level of action, however I will restate because you insist.
The Old Testament provides laws and punishments for any nation that wants to have perfect purity before God and the Old Testament laws are mandated for Jews.
The New Testament provides tolerance as a way Christians can live in a secular society. Christians can live in a secular society by Christians advocating good and evil (being salt and light), but never punishing. Punishment is to be done through Civil Law that is determined by congress, the authorized representatives of all the people.
If congress decides Civil Law should be consistent with Old Testament law, then the nation will have purity before God. If congress decides Civil Law will not be consistent with God's Law, then the nation will be judged by God.
I thought I would repost this one more time for Clirus, just in case he got the courage to post his views on the most important issues of Biblical law, which is
Punishment:
"Originally Posted by christalee4
So since the Bible mandates such laws, are you for laws that punish people who are homosexual, who are adulterers, who are heretics and blasphemers, and children who wilfully disobey their parents, with Biblical judgements such as stoning, burning to death, the sword or hanging?
Please be honest, and hopefully then we can put this controversial issue to rest."
And again:
I'll keep moving this up for Clirus, in case he missed it on the second or third go-around.
Clirus, why do you side-step these issues? Are they too controversial for you? If Biblical Law is indeed mandated, then these laws need to be taken into consideration, especially when there are so many Atheists and heretics doing harm to our society.
Your thoughts on the specifics?"
Is Punishment and Biblical Law enforcement that difficult of an issue for you?
Why not come clean?
Response
Already answered in discussion three level of action, however I will restate because you insist.
The Old Testament provides laws and punishments for any nation that wants to have perfect purity before God and the Old Testament laws are mandated for Jews.
The New Testament provides tolerance as a way Christians can live in a secular society. Christians can live in a secular society by Christians advocating good and evil (being salt and light), but never punishing. Punishment is to be done through Civil Law that is determined by congress, the authorized representatives of all the people.
If congress decides Civil Law should be consistent with Old Testament law, then the nation will have purity before God. If congress decides Civil Law will not be consistent with God's Law, then the nation will be judged by God.
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KomissarSteve
Basileus
Then logically you must believe that slavery and stoning disobedient children to death are both acceptable practices under a perfectly pure society before God, since the Book of Leviticus makes allowances for both.
Ah, but whose interpretation of Old Testament law? A literalist interpretation, as the Christian Right espouses?
Personally, I think that the only way one can claim to understand the Old Testament enough to claim that practicing it will make one pure before God is to interpret it as Jesus interpreted it: "Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbor as yourself."
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Nathan Poe
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So you want civil laws that require death by stoning to homosexual, Atheists, and other heretics? After all, wouldn't want the nation judged by God, would we?
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I don't know whats worse.
A) A nation of atheists, homos, adulterers, sinners, drug abusers, drug dealers, theives and crooks.
or.
B) A nation that executes atheists, homos, adulterers, sinners, drug abusers, drug dealers, theives and crooks.
A) A nation of atheists, homos, adulterers, sinners, drug abusers, drug dealers, theives and crooks.
or.
B) A nation that executes atheists, homos, adulterers, sinners, drug abusers, drug dealers, theives and crooks.
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KomissarSteve
Basileus
The latter, easily. The death penalty already fails as a deterrent in our society; the only remaining application behind executing people, at least for the "crimes" you've listed, would be to take revenge against those who are guilty of sins of which we ourselves just happen not to be guilty - and that, to me, would be the work of an extremely un-Christlike society.
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Well, if our govt was as fascist and totalitarian as the one I described, then there not only be dissention but a giant civilwar between all people, ie, mother against duahgter, father against son, brother against sister, etc. The very SAME scenario described in the Book of Revelations. If anything, the devil would be behind such policies involving such irrational totalitarianism, not Christ.
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Are you for real? Why on earth would you group atheists with homosexuals, adulters, drug abusers, drug dealers, theives, and crooks.
Your ignorance is shining bright.
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uhmmm did you read the rest of the thread?
tulc(Welcome to CF by the way!)
No, I was just skimming and this caught my attention. I take it that I took something out of context.
Thanks for the welcome
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lol I'm on your side with this one!Are you for real? Why on earth would you group atheists with homosexuals, adulters, drug abusers, drug dealers, theives, and crooks.
Your ignorance is shining bright.
because in the early biblical times they would have executed all those people, thus, why I lumped them into one pile.
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If I took your statement out of context, then I apologize for stating that you are ignorant.
I was unaware that atheists, homos, adulterers, sinners, drug abusers, drug dealers, theives, and crooks would be executed during ancient biblical times. That consititutes a lot of people and there must have been plenty of bloodshed.
I was unaware that atheists, homos, adulterers, sinners, drug abusers, drug dealers, theives, and crooks would be executed during ancient biblical times. That consititutes a lot of people and there must have been plenty of bloodshed.
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Excuse me?
Ok, What part of taking care of those things God gives you do you not understand? You will find it very difficult to gain Christian support on NOT taking care of the environment.
I am not even going to attempt to understand that illogic.
Of course, because we all know God is sexist, especially with spiritual gifts .. silly us.
I dont know one Christian democrat that advocates pornography but with your line of reasoning I can only imagine where that is derived.
Did God personally come down and explain this to you? If so due tell? I have already addressed this issue with you in another thread. It is not your job to discern anothers heart in this matter. Certainly not on a general level.
You know who is deceived? You are. This is a perfect example of Christian ignorance and elitism that completely destroys what true Christianity stands for.
Know what? With this sort of preaching Im all for government crack down on it. In fact, thanks to you, I get to sit in my history, ethics, and political science classes defending the fact that not all Christians are extremist, elitist, judgmental, rude, and brainless morons.
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