Science is bothering me.

[Fodera]

I have trouble accepting the faith due to the scientific boundaries... I just need some sort of scientific stance on the whole thing to believe. I feel terrible about this, but in another sense I feel its justified. If someone told me that kangaroos could talk I wouldn't just sit and believe it without investigating it myself.

Are there any materials (books, videos, websites) that make a case for the existence of God as scientific (ie intelligent design and so forth). What can I do to ease the scientific boundaries that just wont leave my thoughts?

note: I still believe in God regardless, but I MUST strengthen my faith...its dieing out because of this.

 

[texastig]

I have trouble accepting the faith due to the scientific boundaries... I just need some sort of scientific stance on the whole thing to believe. I feel terrible about this, but in another sense I feel its justified. If someone told me that kangaroos could talk I wouldn't just sit and believe it without investigating it myself.

Are there any materials (books, videos, websites) that make a case for the existence of God as scientific (ie intelligent design and so forth). What can I do to ease the scientific boundaries that just wont leave my thoughts?

note: I still believe in God regardless, but I MUST strengthen my faith...its dieing out because of this.

Fodera, when I hear things about science all I hear is this:
"maybe, possible, could, may, etc..."
There is nothing concrete.
Here are some websites:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/
http://www.icr.org/
www.johnankerberg.com
http://www.answersincreation.org/
Those will keep you busy for a while.
Blessing to you.
Thanks,
TexasTig

 

[jesussaves1234567]

The Answers in Genesis web site has lots of answers and a Q & A style of audio clips that are very interesting to listen to, like where did the races come from and other points. The ministry founder also preaches at LIberty University on frequent basis. They also have just opened up a Creation Museum.

One other course of study that helped me was studying christian history, also a little bit about the history of the Jews. Christian persecutions were also actually encouraging to read about. The persecuted ones seem to be very strong in faith.

 

[dbot]

http://www.reasons.org/

Thats another one. I remember they talked about the reason why people dont live to be like 1000 anymore, and they argued something like a stellar explosion's radiation washed over the earth and mutated our mitochondria or something wierd like that. I got a little confused, but it was definately interesting. They also had another article about a man who was legitimately swallowed by a whale and survived around the turn of the 1900s.

 

[Johnnz]

veritas.org (american) & bethinking.org (UK) have excellent material on a variety of topics by Christian scholars.

John
NZ

 

[Elijah2]

I have trouble accepting the faith due to the scientific boundaries... I just need some sort of scientific stance on the whole thing to believe. I feel terrible about this, but in another sense I feel its justified. If someone told me that kangaroos could talk I wouldn't just sit and believe it without investigating it myself.

Are there any materials (books, videos, websites) that make a case for the existence of God as scientific (ie intelligent design and so forth). What can I do to ease the scientific boundaries that just wont leave my thoughts?

note: I still believe in God regardless, but I MUST strengthen my faith...its dieing out because of this.

Go to www.creationontheweb.com and you will find all you need.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

http://www.thegodargument.com/?gclid=CMmdve6A240CFQlQWAod-we5mQ

some of this stuff might take a bit of thinking to comprehend it all, as it is confusing, but it is certainly all concrete logic

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I have trouble accepting the faith due to the scientific boundaries... I just need some sort of scientific stance on the whole thing to believe. I feel terrible about this, but in another sense I feel its justified. If someone told me that kangaroos could talk I wouldn't just sit and believe it without investigating it myself.

Are there any materials (books, videos, websites) that make a case for the existence of God as scientific (ie intelligent design and so forth). What can I do to ease the scientific boundaries that just wont leave my thoughts?

note: I still believe in God regardless, but I MUST strengthen my faith...its dieing out because of this.

Hi,
try to strengthen your faith by building your relationship with Christ, that is more reliable. Build the foundation on rock, not on sand... sometimes its hard to let go, but I've really benefited from this in my 'journey'. God really shows you more about Himself if you choose to believe even if you do not 'see'. ..because then God helps you 'see' and shows you He's real.

However, there is nothing wrong with expanding your mind and reading about the scientific side of it all
maybe...Try Lee Strobel and CS Lewis; not exactly science but logical and makes God's existence seem more probable...at least it did for me.

God bless


monica

 

[Tiberius]

Just remember that science is the study of God's creation, so by studying science (valid science, that is), you are studying God;'s creation first hand, instead of from the perspective of people who lived 2000 years or more ago.

I've noticed that websites like AiG often don't give an accurate view of science. They ignore some science which disproves what they have to say. It's a risky thing, getting your science from an apologetic website, because they often filter what they have through their opinion that the Bible must be true, and this leads to them having incorrect information. Try to find several different sources - including some non-Christian sources - that all agree to give you the best chance of finding the most accurate information.

 

[R3quiem]

I have trouble accepting the faith due to the scientific boundaries... I just need some sort of scientific stance on the whole thing to believe. I feel terrible about this, but in another sense I feel its justified. If someone told me that kangaroos could talk I wouldn't just sit and believe it without investigating it myself.

Are there any materials (books, videos, websites) that make a case for the existence of God as scientific (ie intelligent design and so forth). What can I do to ease the scientific boundaries that just wont leave my thoughts?

note: I still believe in God regardless, but I MUST strengthen my faith...its dieing out because of this.

Yeah, pesky science..... always getting in the way of things....

Seriously though, there's no way to prove God exists with science, or at least not yet. There are things that may be interpreted to allude to his existence, but nothing that proves it. I mean, science HAS proven that the universe as we know if really did have a beginning; it wasn't always here. I can try to give a more meaningful argument for his existence, but it would still be subjective.

 

[RenaeN]

Sorry, wasn't done yet.

 

[RenaeN]

Just remember through all your studies of the wonderful science of God's creation, these words

Hebrews 11: 1-2
1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. 2This is what the ancients were commended for.

God Bless,
Renae

 

[ephraimanesti]

It's a risky thing, getting your science from an apologetic website, because they often filter what they have through their opinion that the Bible must be true, and this leads to them having incorrect information.

But it is an even risker proposition getting information from an atheist/agnostic Website in that the agenda there is a desperate--if laughable--attempt to prove that the Bible must be false.

As mentioned in a previous post, science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God, and it is by faith that we either believe or disbelieve. However, as Pascal's Wager points out, it makes infinitely more sense to choose, in faith, to believe in God than to choose to disbelieve in His existence. If you believe and are wrong, you have lost nothing but have, in reality, gained a satisfying and fulfilling life full of love and blessings; if you disbelieve and are wrong, you have lost EVERYTHING--no meaningfull life beyond that of an evolved animal (which is how atheists see themselves) now, with eternal darkness to follow.

Atheists, of all God's creatures, are to be pitied!
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A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[Johnnz]

We must never put faith and reason into mutually exclusive categories. That denies the Lordship of Jesus over all creation, His claim to be Truth, and his injunction to love God with all our hearts, minds and strength.

In the NT we see Jesus and Paul showing and using cultural concepts in their teaching and understanding of the Gospel. It is interesting that both Jesus and Paul never referred to any OT scripture whenever they were speaking to Gentile. They both worked from within a person's cultural understanding.

John
NZ

 

[R3quiem]

But it is an even risker proposition getting information from an atheist/agnostic Website in that the agenda there is a desperate--if laughable--attempt to prove that the Bible must be false.

As mentioned in a previous post, science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God, and it is by faith that we either believe or disbelieve. However, as Pascal's Wager points out, it makes infinitely more sense to choose, in faith, to believe in God than to choose to disbelieve in His existence. If you believe and are wrong, you have lost nothing but have, in reality, gained a satisfying and fulfilling life full of love and blessings; if you disbelieve and are wrong, you have lost EVERYTHING--no meaningfull life beyond that of an evolved animal (which is how atheists see themselves) now, with eternal darkness to follow.

Atheists, of all God's creatures, are to be pitied!
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A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim

You say that to believe and be wrong is better than not to believe at all. What do you think happens to people who believe and are wrong after death?

 

[ephraimanesti]

You say that to believe and be wrong is better than not to believe at all. What do you think happens to people who believe and are wrong after death?

Perhaps i didn't explain the Wager clearly--

If i believe and am wrong--i.e., if it turns at that there is no God--than i have lost nothing because i will have lived a fulfilling and happy life and will die peacefully and without fear due to my belief in God. If there is no God, then nothing happens after death--you just cease to exist.

There IS, however, a God, and due to this fact those who refuse to believe in Him live meaningless lives because they have cut themselves off from God Who alone gives meaning to the lives He has created, THEN they die, THEN they face eternal darkness as a result of their disbelief.

So, in effect, those who believe in God cannot lose.

ephraim

 

[R3quiem]

Perhaps i didn't explain the Wager clearly--

If i believe and am wrong--i.e., if it turns at that there is no God--than i have lost nothing because i will have lived a fulfilling and happy life and will die peacefully and without fear due to my belief in God. If there is no God, then nothing happens after death--you just cease to exist.

There IS, however, a God, and due to this fact those who refuse to believe in Him live meaningless lives because they have cut themselves off from God Who alone gives meaning to the lives He has created, THEN they die, THEN they face eternal darkness as a result of their disbelief.

So, in effect, those who believe in God cannot lose.

ephraim

Well in some ways I agree. I've pondered that before- that by being religious as opposed to non-religious, you can't really lose because you never find out that you are wrong, whereas if an atheist is wrong he finds out that he is wrong. But that only works out like that if there is one religion, there are only two choices, believe or dis-believe.

There are many religions though. You can believe in God, but then find out when you die that you were using the wrong source, the wrong holy book, and then face whatever comes at you.

 

[ephraimanesti]

Well in some ways I agree. I've pondered that before- that by being religious as opposed to non-religious, you can't really lose because you never find out that you are wrong, whereas if an atheist is wrong he finds out that he is wrong. But that only works out like that if there is one religion, there are only two choices, believe or dis-believe.

There are many religions though. You can believe in God, but then find out when you die that you were using the wrong source, the wrong holy book, and then face whatever comes at you.

Well, my brother, my Lord Jesus has certainly proved Himself to me to the extent that there is no doubt in my mind that there is a God, that Jesus Christ is His Son, and that through belief in Him i have become an adopted son of God. My life is as joyful and fulfilling as i believe a human life can be--given the surroundings in which we find ourselves--so all i can do is just praise God for what i have been given and leave the future--whatever it turns out to be--in His hands.

A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[R3quiem]

Well, my brother, my Lord Jesus has certainly proved Himself to me to the extent that there is no doubt in my mind that there is a God, that Jesus Christ is His Son, and that through belief in Him i have become an adopted son of God. My life is as joyful and fulfilling as i believe a human life can be--given the surroundings in which we find ourselves--so all i can do is just praise God for what i have been given and leave the future--whatever it turns out to be--in His hands.

A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim

But don't you feel sadness for the other two thirds of the world that don't believe Jesus is God? Many of them are just as kind as you seem to be. Many of them think he is a great guy, or even a prophet sent by God, and that his teachings are good, but they grew up in a different religion.

 

[ephraimanesti]

But don't you feel sadness for the other two thirds of the world that don't believe Jesus is God? Many of them are just as kind as you seem to be. Many of them think he is a great guy, or even a prophet sent by God, and that his teachings are good, but they grew up in a different religion.

Well, my brother, i hesitate to answer your question because i know what my answer will lead to as far as endless arguments from other posters, but you seem like an honest young man with a good heart so i will tell you what i think:

i think that anyone who, to the best of his/her knowledge and ability, follows the light they are given--whether Buddhist, Hindu, Muslem, Taoist, etc., etc., etc.--will have the worship they give to the god(s) they know and believe in attributed to the only true God--the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

i believe in a God of Love, Justice, and Mercy, and to condemn those who have not had a chance to accept or reject the Salvation offered through Christ would neither be Loving, Just, or Merciful--in my ignorant opinion. Scripture states that our Lord died for the sins of the whole world--"HE IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS, AND NOT ONLY FOR OURS BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD." (I John 2:2) i do not believe that anyone will be condemned until they have had an opportunity to, by the exercise of their freewill, willfully either accept or reject God's proffered Salvation through Christ our Lord. In other words, i believe that ignorance is a viable defense before our God who IS Love.

How this will play out, i haven't a clue. i think perhaps it might have something to do with Peter's reference to the Gospel being preached to the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19).

Again, i speak only for myself, although many Eastern Orthodox Saints have speculated along the same lines. The Chruch, however, has neither condemned or supported these speculations. GOD ALONE KNOWS THE TRUTH!

WITH LOVE IN CHRIST,
ephraim