At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision - Poll Vote only here

[intricatic]

Yes. Neither the thesis nor the antithesis, but rather the synthesis. Further, the synthesis cannot be rushed.

Nah, dialectic is for communists.

 

[sc4s2cg]

I only just found this thread.


My heart sank.

Aye.



G-d bless,
sc

 

[*Rob*]

I agree and that is because we need to better define our mission statement here on CF which is what my friend TLF is talking about and be more realistic and in conjunction with Christ's prophecy and how it is effecting us now...

Christ prophesied the divisions among men and that they would not be done away with until he returned. This is what is being shown to us now and has been further amplified by these changes I think in reality.

I think in order for us to come together in anyway we need to realize that we have differences amongst us that will not dissipate until we agree that the common factor we have to all of us is we believe in God and Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and promote Him first on this website.

Agreed

 

[thereselittleflower]

If we stop striving for unity, and instead start striving for understanding, I believe our time here will be much more productive and fruitful . . . .


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[FriendsFellowship]

I only just found this thread.

My heart sank.

I've had a sinking feeling ever since Erwin announced the New CF!

 

[Jim47]

Option 2 should not exclude unbelievers but only return this site to its Christian roots. Afterall, witnessing to unbelievers should be our central focus.

 

[Lisa0315]

If we stop striving for unity, and instead start striving for understanding, I believe our time here will be much more productive and fruitful . . . .


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[Debi1967]

If we stop striving for unity, and instead start striving for understanding, I believe our time here will be much more productive and fruitful . . . .


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agreed Sister and I love you it has been a long time since we have been in the same thread together .....

 

[FriendsFellowship]

Option 2 should not exclude unbelievers but only return this site to its Christian roots. Afterall, witnessing to unbelievers should be our central focus.

Unfortunately, when Erwin worded these options, I think he intended to poison option number 2.

 

[thereselittleflower]

agreed Sister and I love you it has been a long time since we have been in the same thread together .....

It has been a VERY long time!

I hope CF will be able to put the horse in front of the cart again and deal first with creating a workable, attainable, realistic vision for this site.


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[Brimshack]

I have always appreciated the mix there has been ever since I have been here.

It hasn't been a general site with a restricted area for Christians. It has been a Christian site with an open are to share with seekers, searchers, debaters, undecideds, etc.

If I go to a place named "Hooters" and am offended by the atmosphere, I can choose not to go there. But if they offer me a section where I can feel safe and welcome and not see anything that offends me, then I may like their food enough to stay. But if I try to get them to change to please me, I am not being reasonable.

If a person comes to a place called "Christianforums" and is not happy being here, they can choose not to return. But if we make them an area where they can be happy, they may choose to stay. If they want the place to change to suit them, they are not being reasonable.

I agree that both options are valid. But there is only one that continues to provide what I have always come here for, Option 2.

CF is oten compared to a church. Do you want a church that is unapologetically Christian and uncompromisingly true to the faith? Or do you want a church that is a safe place with much historical Christian influence. Let's see, I think I know a place like that... It's called the YMCA. The YMCA & YWCA were the Young Men's Christian Association and the Young Women's Christian Association. Now they are safe environments with a historical strong Christian influence. But if you want a Bible study, you are not very likely to find it at the Y.

Erwin, this might be a task that is bigger than you are willing to take on, but have you thought about running 2 sites? Do both. Make everyone who is a member automatically a member of both sites. Make the rules clear on both sites. Then from that point forward, they are two sites, a person joins and/or uses one or both. Then in a truly democratic way, you will see whether either one dwindles away in disuse.

I do get what you are saying though about being either one or the other. It agrees with what God says here:[bible]Revelation 3:15-16[/bible]

The analogy is quite misleading.

For example, asking Hooters to stop with the T-Shirts and sex marketing is one thing. Asking them to serve better wings or to charge for food actually served without running up the bill, etc. would be entirely reasonable. Telling a manager that a staff member has been rude is also quite reasonable from a customer.

To the extent that those of us who come here do ask for changes they are more in tune with things like that. What we have argued is points of fairness and specific procedures. We haven't asked CF to change its mission or to stop being a Christian forum. The sweeping changes have come from Erwin; the denial that this should be considered a Christian forum has largely come from conservative members on the forum.

The suggestion that the reforms, or that option 1 are somehow the responsibility of non-Christians trying to negate the purpose of the site is simply not true.

 

[JolieHeart]

If we stop striving for unity, and instead start striving for understanding, I believe our time here will be much more productive and fruitful . . . .


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Well said... but I feel the two are intertwined.

 

[sparklecat]

Please continue voting in the poll in this thread.

Ok people; we're coming up on 800 posts here, and when the thread hits 1000, it'll be automatically locked, along with the poll. I've set up a thread here:
http://www.christianforums.com/t579...sion-thread-please-vote-in-poll-thread-2.html

for discussion of the poll options. Please only post in that thread so that the poll may remain open. Any posts in here after this one will be moved over.

 

[sparklecat]

[rule3.4]

Please do not continue posting in this thread once you have seen my first notice; as I have said, all posts will be moved (not deleted) to the other thread. I really don't want to have to close this thread, but if this keeps up, it'll happen.


Again, please vote in this thread and discuss in the other thread.

 

[tapero]

Please Read Mod Hats (2) previous posts

Voting in Poll is done here in this thread that you are now in as you are reading this. Only Voting on the POLL is done in this thread. Please do not post Disussion in this thread; as this is only for the poll.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5787680-at-crossroads-cfs-vision.html


Discussion of topic is in this thread shown below (which will eventually split to another thread.)

http://www.christianforums.com/t579...ussion-thread-please-vote-in-poll-thread.html

Thanks.

(*note: saw post here, which I see has been removed; so am posting this to clarify.*)

 

[sparklecat]

Please continue voting in this thread.


First discussion thread has reached 1000 replies and been automatically locked; please now carry out all discussion of this poll in this thread:
http://www.christianforums.com/t579...sion-thread-please-vote-in-poll-thread-2.html

 

[Erwin]

Officially closing this thread and poll - interesting results, I'll catch up on posts this weekend. I have a fairly reasonable idea as to what I intend to do and will implement the final changes this weekend.

 

[Ben johnson]

Hi members

This poll, started by drstevej, was PMed to me recently. I think that it does make a good point and I wanted it moved out of the Conservative Christians forum to the Announcement forum to gather input from other members as well.

The issue here is whether CF's name should be changed and its vision modified to reflect its current framework.

This site at the moment is at a cross-roads, and can go either way. It can either become:

1. A safe social community site with a heavy and strong Christian influence (with the vision being to offer a safe online community, and a secondary vision being to allow Christians to outreach to non-Christians) - which will allow for a name change;

OR

2. Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.

Bear in mind that options 1 and 2 are both valid - there is a place for either forums.

I think that at this moment members are frustrated because CF is halfway between options 1 and 2, so members are confused as we have a vision that belongs to option 2 but a setup that is more like option 1.

Therefore, I think we need to make a decision.

I'm going to leave this up to the community. I've extended the above poll to 3rd of August.

I will listen to the members here, and will defer to the final decision.

Please feel free to discuss this issue in this thread.

The community spoke --- "option 2, keep the name".

Officially closing this thread and poll - interesting results, I'll catch up on posts this weekend. I have a fairly reasonable idea as to what I intend to do and will implement the final changes this weekend.

The "final changes", is "no more Christian Forums" --- but a "forum-based social networking".

Please help us to understand --- why would you post a poll, and "leave it up to the community", if you had already decided otherwise?
You said: "I will listen to the members here, and will defer to the final decision."

This is not a belligerant or argumentative post; many of us really want to understand --- why the changes? Why disregard this poll?

Why is the board no longer "Christ centered"?

Hope I can be forgiven for posting in a "closed thread".