This bugs me...the chosen people

[JEBofChristTheLord]

FYI:

We do not convert people.

I was born and raised as a Jew without the Son of God, and I know very well that your rabbis convert many every year.

I am not a messianic christian. I am a jew. You as a christian dont believe in Israel or the jews, or whatever you said. That is sad. Read the bible again.

We do read what is written. And we find that the Lord threw the children of Israel out of their land, because of their sin, and promised a return -- and that the return was given...and that the children of Israel did much evil again, and God did the same.

So far as Law Verses Tradition. Law is Torah. The Talmud just helps explain it and apply it to our lives.

I was given seven years Jewish private schooling. I am well aware of the common saying among those without the Son: "What is Torah, without Talmud...or Talmud, without Torah? One must be read with the other."

Thank you who defend us, and I hope those who dont believe in us and israel wake up.

I shall believe in God, and not in people, and not in any of the nations God has promised to destroy for their sin. Do you know Psalm 110?

Secondly, Bashing Israel and my brothers and sisters. Not cool. We dont see christ as the messiah, becuase he didnt fulfill the prophecy (It no where in the Tanakh says he will be the son of god)

Daniel 3:25 is very helpful.

We believe in god. We follow his precepts. We came first, without us you wouldnt have christianity.

It is written that if the people of Jerusalem -- the Jews -- had not welcomed the Lord shortly before He was killed for us, the rocks would cry out. God is not dependent upon Jews or any other human beings. God will cause all of His Word to be respected.

Ok the Talmud is not from our generation.

So why do the Jews without the Son respect such a book, if it is not extremely relevant to them? Why are all of their rabbis required to study it so very much?

Secondly we aknowledge he existed, but he is not the son of god. You forget friend, he was a jew. We dont have the concept of hell as you christians do. There is no hell. The truly evil are destroyed. The rest go to heaven. But alas I am not here to fight with you

Alas? You would rather fight?

I am not interested in fighting. I shall simply speak that which the Lord has said, until He takes me from this world.

J.E.B.

 

[visionary]

And Here we have two chosen people bickering.... on this thread of all threads. One is defending the rights of the Jews and the other bashing them.

 

[Nimrauko]

And Here we have two chosen people bickering.... on this thread of all threads. One is defending the rights of the Jews and the other bashing them.

I defend his religion and rights too. But the sad thing is, he tosses out the bible, and goes on his own volition.

The Jews are the chosen people. The rabbis dont FORCE conversions on anyone BTW. There was 1 conversion at our temple in the past 2 years.

The anti-semitism is really sickening. My people have suffered enough (Not directed to you visionary)

 

[Henaynei]

The anti-semitism is really sickening. My people have suffered enough (Not directed to you visionary)

alas, it is a growing trend in some Christian circles .... believing the twist that they are taught because it supports an envy they would rather not name ....

 

[Nimrauko]

alas, it is a growing trend in some Christian circles .... believing the twist that they are taught because it supports an envy they would rather not name ....

They are entitled to their opinion but it doesnt make them any more right. They want to throw away their jewish heritage, and they are more than welcome to . I dont care.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

And Here we have two chosen people bickering.... on this thread of all threads. One is defending the rights of the Jews and the other bashing them.

For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

J.E.B.

 

[Nimrauko]

This is a question for someone to answer. Why do Christians quote the new testament when they are trying to prove something to jewish people?

I listen to Torah. Nothing More. Nothing Less.

 

[Nimrauko]

[wiki]Despite the numerous mentions of Edom which may refer to Christendom, the Talmud makes little mention of Jesus directly or the early Christians. There are a number of quotes about individuals named Yeshu that once existed in editions of the Talmud; these quotes were long ago removed from the main text due to accusations that they referred to Jesus, and are no longer used in Talmud study. However, these removed quotes were preserved through rare printings of lists of errata, known as Hashmatot Hashas ("Omissions of the Talmud"). Some modern editions of the Talmud contain some or all of this material, either at the back of the book, in the margin, or in alternate print. These passages do not necessarily refer to a single individual and many of the stories are far removed from anything written in the New Testament. Many scholars are convinced that these people cannot be identified with the Christian messiah.[/wiki]

For whoever said the talmud was anti-jesus, he was rarely mentioned in it, and most ALL things that could be misconscrewed as talking about him, have been removed. So try again

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

This is a question for someone to answer. Why do Christians quote the new testament when they are trying to prove something to jewish people?

I do so because I know that that is how I, who was first born a Jew, was brought to a knowledge of the immediate presence of God.

I listen to Torah. Nothing More. Nothing Less.

If you listen to Torah, why do you think the Hebrews should still be in their land, when God has cast them out twice now, in punishment for sin?

 

[Nimrauko]

I do so because I know that that is how I, who was first born a Jew, was brought to a knowledge of the immediate presence of God.

If you listen to Torah, why do you think the Hebrews should still be in their land, when God has cast them out twice now, in punishment for sin?

could it not be gods will? is that such a far stretch? Perhaps it was gods will that after our mass execution we paid enough of a price to regain our land and set in to motion events that would bring that around. Is it so hard for people to believe in the will of god anymore?

 

[cmarieh]

The thing to remember and keep in the front of your mind is that God is all knowing and all powerfull. He chose the Jews knowing that they would reject Him and salvation would come to the gentile. His plan is salvation for all! When you read about the blessings or the heritage of Israel, it applies to gentiles as well, because through our belief we were "grafted" in. Through faith we are the seed of Abraham and also joint heirs with CHRIST!

 

[cmarieh]

One more thing....sometimes it's ok not to understand why or how God has does something. Just accept the fact that God is God, He will do as He wills. He is a loving, merciful God and knows what is best, even if we never understand, we should trust and have faith in Him that He knows best and has a purpose for everything!

 

[onelessgod]

Don't be ashamed to asked the question you did, its one of many, many others that just point out the flaws of a human created concept. There are gaps and mistakes all in the bible that clearly point to man's flaws. A just all knowing god would not have created a universe if he knew half of them were going to burn forever. An all knowing perfect god wouldn't order his men to rape virgins and kill children like he does in the old testament. An all knowing perfect god wouldn't sit back and watch his creation fight needless wars about him while people die of starvation. I hope that helped!

 

[toddsgurlforever27]

well that is adifficult question and unfortunately you will get many different answeres. my personal answere to you is that yes our GOD is big enough for us all. i am pentocostal and my faith says that once you are saved and invite JESUS into your heart, you then have an obligation to go forth and spread the gospal for all to hear. if you have other questions or you would like to talk further with me about this subject just let me know. I will say a prayer that the lord will grant you the clarity to understand your question and give you wisdom on how to go out and do what you feel you are being called to do

 

[ElElena]

It seems inevitable that it is hard to understand why God has a chosen people that He will call His Own.

God knows best is the best quick response I have for you to ponder on.

A response that isn't as quick goes more like this:

All people have a right to choose whom they will serve. God has made it clear that the freedom of choice is ours. We can choose to seek His face and know Him better. We can choose to call upon Him while He is near. Once the decision is made to choose the Lord Jesus Christ as Your personal Lord and Saviour then you become adopted into the kingdom of God in such a way that you are of the chosen generation the royal priesthood.

 

[ElElena]

God knows best is the best quick response I have for you to ponder on.


DITTO

 

[craezi4christ]

Hey, I've totally questioned that myself, as well... But I have an answer for you, and it's hard to understand, so please, try to bear with me... if you like.

If you read in the bible, in Genesis (chapters 11-17ish), you will read about the story of Abram (later, named Abraham). Abram was a man who was not willing to compromise his life in any way for God, and he was willing to be obedient to God, and Abram honored, and loved God. Through a series of events, when Abram showed God, and proved to Him (God) that he was quite possibly the only man on earth who was completely wanting to love, and obey God, God blessed Abram, re-named him Abraham, and promised him that he would be the father of many.

Genesis 17:3 says, "Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 'As for me, this is my covenant (promise) with you: You will be the father of man nations. No longer will you be called Abram: your name will be Abraham (means father of many in Hebrew) for I have made you a father of many nations. I will make you very fruitful (God is saying that He will have many children, and be blessed... this was a huge deal back then... it was a life-goal to raise generations): I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covnant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you..."

I quoted all of this to show you where the whole Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish people came from... these people were ALL descendants of Abraham, like God had promised. The reason that God called them His "chosen" people is because they were the ones whose ancestor (Abraham, primarily) was devoted to God.

All through the Old Testament, you read scripture where God is keeping His people safe, and guarding them against other God-hating nations. Throughout all this time, God is continuing to honor His promise to Abraham. (An example of this is when God delivered His chosen people as Moses led them from Pharoah, across the Red Sea, through the desert, and into the promised land).

Now, I hope you're still reading, because here's where it gets good!!!

Jesus said, in the New Testament, that He came to save ALL people, as "God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only Son..." God is desperate for every person to come to know Him, and He loves every single child He created (Psalm 139:13-16). It shocked the people in Jesus' time that He was not only hanging-out with the Jews, who were known as God's chosen people, but ALSO the Gentiles, who clearly had not been chosen for God. Jesus made it clear that ANYONE who received Him as Lord and Saviour would live eternally in heaven (Romans 10:9-10). That is the AMAZING thing about God. He redeemed not only those who we already trying to please Him, but He also did everything He could at a final attempt (except for Jesus soon second-coming) to reach out to every person on this earth, regardless of their background, or current belifs.

Many Gentiles (non-Jews) came to know Jesus, and became Christians, and loved God very much. They are in heaven now, and many of us are descendants of Gentiles who became Christians. Praise God that He is so loving that regardless of how many times we refuse Him, as long as we are still on earth, we can still choose to live for Him. He never makes it too late. If you're not a Christian, I encourage you to know that no matter what you may have ever done, or no matter where you may be, God has CHOSEN YOU! He loves you, and He is desperate to be with you!

I really hope that helps you out. Be Blessed in your search for Him.

 

[kj7gs]

I suppose we could approach this from the other direction and ask ourselves why God hasn't just destroyed everybody with the fall of Adam and his complete loss of fellowship with God, carried to all generations as a sin nature that does not merit heaven. You have to remember that God would be GLORIFIED in this, and that same glorification can also be found in his mercy toward those he loves.

 

[visionary]

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Have you ever really considered this verse... what did Yeshua mean? It is in the sacred texts that the Jews hold dear.. the story of salvation.. which Yeshua was a large participant.

Acts 7:38 This is he [Yeshua, which you may know as Jesus], that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

So why did Yeshua say that the salvation is of the Jews... because..

Romans 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

So why is salvation of the Jews? because where else are you going to go to learn but from a good teacher.

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

So why is it so important to learn the oracles of God that were given to the Jews?

1Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yhwh cast out His Own People in punishment for their sin,
and
Yhwh said He Himself will restore His Own People to the land Yhwh's Word says is theirs forever...
not because they deserved it (the price of sin is death),
not because of any mortal nor temporary reason or reasoning,
...
but because Yhwh said it.
.
. He simply said it, and it cannot be changed (not even if Yhwh feels different, if that is possible; Yhwh said He will deal with His People Justly because of Who He Is, not because of how He feels)
.
and, again, joyfully and wholly (and holy!) and completely
Yhwh gives back to His People the Land He says is Theirs just
because He said it. (Yhwh is not a man that He could lie)