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and where anywhere in my post did I say that woman are evil?
She insists that someone, somewhere, said this to her, even though no such oppinion has presented itself.

Husbands are the head of the household. God holds them to a higher standard in many things.
That is a good point. Most men fully understand that if they act in a manner that is too self centered and thoughtless that all of their friends, and their male family members even, will disown them, possibly even with desicive blows on parting. Women on the other hand can act catty, cagey, manipulative and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]y and fully expect to get away with it because they are held to a lower standard of conduct. If you want the authority then you are going to have to face the music when it comes to how your conduct is judged as well.

Such as in raising thier children. We see in scripture that God addresses the Fathers when it comes to the discipline of the children and not mothers.
I know from personal experience in my family that when the women tried to give the discipline they would scream and yell and turn into hags. Men *tend* to be more judicious in their imparting of discipline, even as they are much more effective than women at taking punishment beyond angry banshee screaming to punishments of real consequence.

The witchcraft came with us women not obeying what Gods word tells us to do. To submit to our husbands. Scripture tells us that rebellion is as witchcraft.
Now this really gets right to the heart of the matter!! It is not that all women are evil, that is an absurd parody of no one's argument, but rather that contumacious women let the devil in just like that *snap*.

IaA, that was a magnificent post!
 
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Agreed, Mike.

The point of "submitting", ladies, is that eventually the submission isn't even necessary - you and your husband are thinking with one accord, supporting and loving each other!

Howard Dean - your situation was horrible. I can't even imagine it. :hug: But when someone loves you as much as you love him, the situation can certainly change! :hug:

Oh, and widowed and celibate for 6 years. :thumbsup: Who'da thunk it? :)
 
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Maybe it is time to look around again? I had a great aunt who married three Baptist ministers in a row and took them all to the grave. The last one died on the pulpit just like he always said that he wanted to! :lol:

I have another great aunt who is still alive who is twice widowed to marines. The women in my family tend to go for a particular type!
 
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IF we go back to the curse that was brought because of sin. One of the curses of the sin was that the man would rule over her. Now our Husbands are not to rule over us any more and this is why Husbands are instructed to Love their wives.
Gen 3:16 To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you."
let's talk about the word "desire." What does it mean? It's an interesting word. It comes from an Arabic root. And I have continued to survey this passage because it's been a passage of some controversy. But it is an Arabic root meaning "to seek control." Literally, it could read you shall seek control over your husband. You will desire to exert your will. That is a sign of the curse. Now this is why we see in the epistles that we are to submit to our husbands Authority. We see this so much in the lives of married people. We want our husbands to Love us and submit to us and if they don't we say they are being unloving. When in fact scripture never tells a husband to submit to their wives. Here we read this.
Gen 3:17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.
We see what happens when we go out of Gods created roles for us. Sin enters in and it will bring death. Eve went out from her husbands protection and was deceived and then Adam listened to the voice of His wife and sin entered in to the picture and death was brought upon all mankind and also the curse. Now through Christ we are to line back up with the creation way of things. Men being the head and woman being the submissive all to the Glory of God. Men ruling with Love and Woman submitting with Love for we also see in scripture that Older woman are to teach younger woman to Love their husbands and children.
 
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And if they do not agree then what?

Which reminds me of a story ....Animated strictly for your entertainment and good pleasure (and simply because Ive been bored lately)
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1Sam 25:3 Now the name of the man was Nabal; and the name of his wife Abigail: andshe was a woman of good understanding,
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and of a beautiful countenance: but the man was churlish and evil in his doings;
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and he was of the house of Caleb.


David was going to kick HIS BUTT for what He did


1Sam 25:4 But one of the young men told Abigail, Nabal's wife, saying, Behold, David sent messengers out of the wilderness to salute our master; and he railed on them.
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She was Made to COVER HIS BUTT


1Sam 25:17 Now therefore know and consider what thou wilt do; for evil is determined against our master, and against all his household:
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for he is such a son of Belial,
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that a man cannot speak to him.
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1Sam 25:18 Then Abigail made haste,
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and took two hundred loaves, and two bottles of wine, and five sheep ready dressed, and five measures of parched corn, and an hundred clusters of raisins, and two hundred cakes of figs, and laid them on asses. And she said unto her servants, Go on before me; behold, I come after you. But she told not her husband Nabal.
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1Sam 25:23 And when Abigail saw David, she hasted, and lighted off the ass, and fell before David on her face, and bowed herself to the ground,

And where Adam PASSED the BUCK

1Sam 25:24 And fell at his feet, and said, Upon me, my lord, upon me let this iniquity be:
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and let thine handmaid, I pray thee, speak in thine audience, and hear the words of thine handmaid.


1Sam 25:25 Let not my lord, I pray thee, regard this man of Belial, even Nabal: for as his name is, so is he; Nabal is his name, and folly is with him:
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but I thine handmaid saw not the young men of my lord, whom thou didst send.


1Sam 25:26 Now therefore, my lord, as the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, seeing the LORD hath withholden thee from coming to shed blood, and from avenging thyself with thine own hand, now let thine enemies, and they that seek evil to my lord, be as Nabal.
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1Sam 25:32 And David said to Abigail, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel which sent thee
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this day to meet me
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1Sam 25:33 And blessed be thy advice,
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and blessed be thou,
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which hast kept me this day from coming to shed blood, and from avenging myself with mine own hand.


1Sam 25:35 So David received of her hand that which she had brought him, and said unto her, Go up in peace to thine house; see, I have hearkened to thy voice,
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and have accepted thy person.


1Sam 25:36-38 And Abigail came to Nabal; and, behold, he held a feast in his house, like the feast of a king; and Nabal's heart was merry within him, for he was very drunken:
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wherefore she told him nothing, less or more, until the morning light. But it came to pass in the morning, when the wine was gone out of Nabal, and
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his wife had told him these things, that his heart died within him,
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and he became as a stone. And it came to pass about ten days after, that the LORD smote Nabal, that he died.
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1Sam 25:39 when David heard that Nabal was dead, he said, Blessed be the LORD,
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that hath pleaded the cause of my reproach from the hand of Nabal, and hath kept his servant from evil:
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for the LORD hath returned the wickedness of Nabal upon his own head.
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And David sent and communed with Abigail,
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to take her to him to wife
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SMART MAN ...How romantic huh? He saw her butt covering abilities
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Men need their wives
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Peace

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BTW, I assume that you were agreeing with me on the 90%/10% rule, Contented?

Just to repeat, because it keeps getting ignored, I think that good women should get their way 90% of the time, but on those 10% occasions when a man really puts his foot down, there should be no argument, or at least, not harsh demands made with fire in their eyes by the wife. All a wife has to do is submit on those 10% occasions, where she really doesn't even know what is going on, and she will get her way the rest of the 90% of the time, if the man is a really a good man of virtue.

WA keeps going on and on about submission as if that were a demand that women be slaves and that men need not listen to women at all. In fact every world religion equates female submission with male sensitivity. For example, in Taoism the image of Influence and Wooing is of a mountain lake. The mountain represents the husband or a king that rules over the populace, while the water represents the wife or the populace. It is said that through his "emptiness" (that is to say his receptivity and openness) he receives the people, or his wife.

Unwise people today think of strength as being invulnerable like superman, even though the greatest aspects of strength are love and receptivity. It is an ironic fact that vulnerability is the greatest aspect of strength. Influence is not a one way street, if the people don’t think that you can be influenced by their desires and needs then you loose all influence over them in turn.

(WA, these are matters of the heart, not the head. You told me that someone who could see auras said that you had a yellow aura. You falsely thought that meant knowing God, when in fact yellow is the color of the intellect divorced from the heart. You can’t know God with your head, not in any meaningful way. To truly know God you have to have a malleable heart that is “made of clay”. Your thoughts on God are all dry and stringy intellectual thoughts with no understanding of the heart and no malleability that allows your heart to be influenced. Your heart is made of stone.)
 
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I have no issues with men, I was a good wife. My former husband was horrible, trust me.
You beat me! I've only been celibate for 12.:thumbsup:

Yeah I hear ya, some women (like in the story of Nabal) have crappy husbands. I sympathize with your situation. You deserved better then that.

Peace

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Ah, you really are a woman of virtue! I was very touched by your response to my childhood spiritual trauma that I posted yesterday.

By contrast, when I asked WarriorAngel for sympathy during a recent spiritual trial all she did was sneer at me and tell me that I am insane. I do not know whatever possessed me to think that she was my friend or a virtuous person.

Ya know mike....why do you involve your personal pm's...?
So stop making this thread about YOU when NO ONE mentioned your name.

Since not a single person has taken up the assertion that women are evil, and in fact this was nothing but a distorted attack on my PM's to you, which said nothing at all about women being evil, it is just a typically trollish strawman argument. You are searching for evil men who believe that all women are evil, and there just aren't any here. It is in fact you who thinks that most men are evil, but it is really just a conspiracy theory.

I addressed this twice, in the 90%/10% argument that I made in which men submit to good women 90% of the time. But obviously that isn’t good enough for you, men must submit 100% of the time to women, in your opinion. This is the very definition of a contumacious woman.

She insists that someone, somewhere, said this to her, even though no such oppinion has presented itself.


That is a good point. Most men fully understand that if they act in a manner that is too self centered and thoughtless that all of their friends, and their male family members even, will disown them, possibly even with descive blows on parting. Women on the other hand can act catty, cagey, manipulative and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]y and fully expect to get away with it because they are held to a lower standard of conduct. If you want the authority then you are going to have to face the music when it comes to how your conduct is judged as well.

I know from personal experience in my family that when the women tried to give the discipline they would scream and yell and turn into hags. Men *tend* to be more judicious in their imparting of discipline, even as they are much more effective than women at taking punishment beyond angry banshee screaming to punishments of real consequence.

Now this really gets right to the heart of the matter!! It is not that all women are evil, that is an absurd parody of no one's argument, but rather that contumacious women let the devil in just like that *snap*.

IaA, that was a magnificent post!

You have yet to make a sound argument in light of ALL the scriptures I posted.

AND AGAIN, the words and hateful descriptions of women are amazing.

Did you forget this.......??

[bible]Ephesians 6:1-2[/bible]

So now you are saying children do not need to obey their mothers???

 
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Yeah I hear ya, some women (like in the story of Nabal) have crappy husbands. I sympathize with your situation. You deserved better then that.

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[bible]Colossians 3:19[/bible]

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So now you are saying children do not need to obey their mothers???

This is an interesting question. In one place it says...

Prov 1:8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

And in another...

1King 22:52 And he did evil in the sight of the LORD, and walked in the way of his father, and in the way of his mother, and in the way of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin:

I dont think everything is so cut and dry as some like to make it.

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You have yet to make a sound argument in light of ALL the scriptures I posted.
Perhaps if you would stop distorting everything I say, ignoring the scriptures that I posted and trying to wiggle out of every context like a cagey manipulative lawyer, we could actually have a conversation rather than the shouting match that you have disintegrated this into.

AND AGAIN, the words and hateful descriptions of women are amazing.
Now you are claiming that IaA hates herself…?

So now you are saying children do not need to obey their mothers???
We are talking about adults here, not children, madam lawyer.
 
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BTW, I assume that you were agreeing with me on the 90%/10% rule, Contented?

Probably, Mike - though I never thought about any sort of ratio. I do believe that sometimes the spouses cannot agree on the issue or convert the other to their "side". In that case, it's up to the husband to love his wife but do things as he sees fit. Edited to add: And it's up to the wife to know that her husband loves her and that even though she disagrees with his decision, she trusts him.

Once again, as I relinquished "control" of my life, my husband picked up the reins and made better decisions. He grew into the responsibility. He also spoiled me outrageously. I was a pretty happy camper!

Mike, maybe it is time for you to look around again for a wife. Find someone who puts God first as you do. Be yourself and love her to pieces. I have a feeling she'll do the same for you! :wave:
 
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Actually, that was what the whole dispute with WA was about, in a somewhat complex way. I've had an avalanche of unpleasant mystical experiences after something imploded inside of me a few weeks ago in which it suddenly became clear to me that I will be married before the end of my 40th year of life.

By imploded I mean that it has been drawing things to me at a level I had never imagined, not just female attention in all sorts of ways, but all sorts of unsavory spiritual phenomena as well. My final testing, I suspect. If I can get through all of this crazy stuff, which prompted my false friend to sneer at me contemptuously, I feel that I will be able to recognize the right one for me instantly, and possibly even be able to feel her coming before she is physically in my presence. I’ve always sensed women coming before I met them, so that wouldn’t be so unusual for me, but if I could actually sense whether or not it was the RIGHT one, that would be infinitely more helpful!
 
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I don't disbelieve when you say you will know her before. :)
That is the way it has got to be for me if it is truly a sacred love. Sacred love can't be less than the false loves I have had in the past, that would not do at all!

(Then again... Maybe she will slip in completely under my radar like none of the others could...? I don't try to give it too many predefined expectations, but I do test everything with an extremely vigilant attitude.)
 
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Well, AFTER discussing the facets in a good relationship.

And not leaving all final decisions solely to men, without a wife's input and regard to which should be both listened to and acted upon....
You should stop stop looking for anyone. Its when you stop, is when you find.

AND finally, marriage, a good marriage is a 50/50 input. Whereas women also make big input on big decisions, and not just men.

Also submitting in small details [for men] is not the only time men should heed their wives. They should love their opinions and value them, and work with that.

Its not just one person's life it affects, but both.

And if one is more prone to follow God, then that person should be the example which leads the other.

Had my husband listened to me in some instances, he would have been happier with the results. BUT as it is, he has regrets.

I guess, without seeming bias, that Catholic men are more apt to treat their wives equally in all matters, and this is why the divorce rate is lower in our Church.

The happiest couples I know are both Catholic.

Not saying anyone else is miserable, but from the ones I have experienced, the women don't feel important.
 
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The Women are the ~weaker vessel~

There are some ~vessels~ for honour
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and others vessels to dishonour.
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The honour is to the wife
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Lest men ~dishonour~ ~their Head~

HIS POWER is made PERFECT in WEAKNESS therefore watch out boys
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1Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, ~giving honour~ unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. :prayer:

No honour sounds like hindered prayers:help:


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Because Eve fell by satan's snares, does this mean women are evil? Are are the two equally at fault?


Ecclesiastes 7


26 I find more bitter than death
the woman who is a snare,
whose heart is a trap
and whose hands are chains.
The man who pleases God will escape her,
but the sinner she will ensnare.
27 "Look," says the Teacher, "this is what I have discovered:
"Adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things-

28 while I was still searching
but not finding—
I found one upright man among a thousand,
but not one upright woman among them all.


There you have an answer. Funny how he finds the snare of a woman worse then the snare of satan.
(Bet I ruined my chances of getting a date on this board :D)
 
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The Women are the ~weaker vessel~

There are some ~vessels~ for honour
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and others vessels to dishonour.
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The honour is to the wife
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Lest men ~dishonour~ ~their Head~

HIS POWER is made PERFECT in WEAKNESS therefore watch out boys
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1Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, ~giving honour~ unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

No honour sounds like hindered prayers


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Amen!

...uhmmm this is the only thing I disagree with, a good marriage is made up of 100%/100% input of both partners. (IMHO)
tulc(other then that, well said!)

Thank you, and I agree. it is 100% from both. Sounds like you know how to treat a woman...your wife. God Bless.
 
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