Apparitions of "Mary"

[HisBelovedMelody]

Aren't you the one who's demanding to know the reasons why God does things the way He does and not the way you think it should be done (i.e. apparitions of Mary and not Paul)?

wasn't DEMANDING anything friend...ease up on the attitude. I don't think these appraritons are of Mary to be honest...so...there you have it.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I used to believe in soul sleep, but nowadays, I believe that we go to Heaven.

of course we do...and when we get there...WHY would one want to COME BACK HERE?? No thanks..I am going to be worshipping the King...not fussing about life on earth...sorry.

 

[Merciel]

wasn't DEMANDING anything friend...ease up on the attitude. I don't think these appraritons are of Mary to be honest...so...there you have it.

That's a possibility. Heck, I think most "visions" are hallucinations. Even visions of Jesus.

 

[~RENEE~]

I used to believe in soul sleep, but nowadays, I believe that we go to Heaven.

Yes but to get you did what?




Died.

It's called being dead here alive there. Here your dead if you come back your a ghost.

 

[Merciel]

of course we do...and when we get there...WHY would one want to COME BACK HERE?? No thanks..I am going to be worshipping the King...not fussing about life on earth...sorry.

Well, Elijah and Moses appeared on Earth for the Transfiguration.
I think it'd be awesome to be an apparition on Earth that draws people toward Christ. Heck, if I could save the soul of a loved one by appearing to them in a vision, I would!

 

[~RENEE~]

Well, Elijah and Moses appeared on Earth for the Transfiguration.
I think it'd be awesome to be an apparition on Earth that draws people toward Christ. Heck, if I could save the soul of a loved one by appearing to them in a vision, I would!

Or scare them to death.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Well, Elijah and Moses appeared on Earth for the Transfiguration.
I think it'd be awesome to be an apparition on Earth that draws people toward Christ. Heck, if I could save the soul of a loved one by appearing to them in a vision, I would!

thing the begger that begged Abraham tried that trick already...didn't work then either....people have their chance NOW with Jesus..if they don't..well...too bad for t hem !

 

[Merciel]

Yes but to get you did what?




Died.

It's called being dead here alive there. Here your dead if you come back your a ghost.

Then Moses, Elijah, and Mary came to the world as ghosts. Well, not Elijah, 'cause he was assumed entirely into Heaven.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Or scare them to death.

LOL..........made me spit pop on the screen!!

 

[Merciel]

thing the begger that begged Abraham tried that trick already...didn't work then either....people have their chance NOW with Jesus..if they don't..well...too bad for t hem !

I'm sure I wouldn't be able to come to Earth on my own accord, just as I'm sure Moses and Elijah didn't come back down to Earth on theirs.

 

[Merciel]

Or scare them to death.

I'm sure I'd have as much of a chance to scare them to death as Jesus or an angel did. I mean, it's not like if somebody saw Jesus appear in front of them, they'd be able to act all nonchalant and say, "Hey, Jesus. What's up?"

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Hey Renee'..go check out the "What If" thread....goodness..in GT.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That's a possibility. Heck, I think most "visions" are hallucinations. Even visions of Jesus.

Hi. I debate a lot with the Muslims and here was a thread on Jesus changing a Muslim's life.
The only problem is I don't know if it was a vision or something he read or heard about. Pretty interesting. Peace.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5250404&page=3
How Lord Jesus Changed Radical Muslim Khalil's Life

Quote from Christian: Please take the time to watch this great video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_9OuOuzic

quote Muslim: Anyways, the video he posted was odd. Khalil makes false claims regarding Jesus (pbuh) in the Qur'an which are not true. There are numerous verses which would prove that he is either deluded or just chose to ignore the fact.

 

[hraedisc]

The thread really has been busy since I last checked.

A word about Moses and Elijah -
These two are scriptural exceptions to the rule. Elijah was taken up alive by God. Moses was apparently resurrected (see Jude 1) between his death and the transfiguration. Another exception would be Enoch. Some graves were opened when Jesus died (Matt 27). They came up after Jesus' resurrection and actually witnessed to people. We are not told specifically what happened thereafter, but it is my suspicion that those were taken to heaven and are the 24 elders before the throne (Revelation).

I know of no other exceptions allowed by scripture. All others are awaiting a resurrection from the dead.

Keep in mind these principles:

Rom 4
17... He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

Even though the dead saints are really dead, in God's eyes they are considered alive. Why? It is a certainty that they will be resurrected to immortality.

Our (eternal) life is in Christ - it is not naturally within ourselves.

Colossians 3
3...your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

1 John 5
11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

 

[Rhamiel]

Other saints have appeared besides Mary, St. Patrick has been seen a few times, the Archangels, other Saints have been seen through the ages as well as Jesus, but Mary was the most vissable throught the 20th century

 

[hraedisc]

Satan likes to pull the "Mary" card. There's something about Mary.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Other saints have appeared besides Mary, St. Patrick has been seen a few times, the Archangels, other Saints have been seen through the ages as well as Jesus, but Mary was the most vissable throught the 20th century

And that is why there are more Catholics than non-Catholics and I wonder how many Muslims have seen the vision of her. I may have to ask them about that.
This link was posted on a Muslim board I was on awhile back concerning "Jinns"

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=75

(Benjamin B. Wolman. ed., Handbook of Parapsychology, New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1977, pp, 579-580)] with those seeking information among the idol-worshippers, Christians, Jews, and heretical Muslims driven astray by the devils.

This has happened to many people some of whom are known to me. The devils will often respond while talking the form of the one besought, whether dead or alive, even if he is unaware of those who call on him. Those committing Shirk in this fashion believe that the person beseeched has actually replied when in fact it is the JINN replying. This frequently happens to Christians who call on those whom they edify, whether dead or alive, like George or other holy figures [ROME, Feb 24 1989 (AFP) -

A retired Italian roadman Renato Baron claims that he has been seeing and talking to the Virgin Mary for nearly three years now. Visions by Baron and about THIRTY others have attracted tens of thousands of people from Italy, France, Belgium, and West Germany to a hill near Venice, causing huge traffic jams.

A retired Italian roadman Renato Baron claims that he has been seeing and talking to the Virgin Mary for nearly three years now. Visions by Baron and about THIRTY others have attracted tens of thousands of people from Italy, France, Belgium, and West Germany to a hill near Venice, causing huge traffic jams.

 

[Peaceful Dove]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How can those who believe in man's consciousness in death reject what comes to them as divine light communicated by glorified spirits? Is this a channel regarded as sacred, through which Satan works for the accomplishment of his purposes? Do the fallen angels who do his bidding appear as messengers from the spirit world? [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Paul testifies that before the second advent of Christ there will be manifestations of satanic power. The coming of the Lord is to be preceded by "the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:9,10. And the apostle John, describing the miracle-working power that will be manifested in the last days, declares: "He doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do." Revelation 13:13, 14. No mere impostures are here foretold. Men are deceived by the miracles which Satan's agents have power to do, not which they pretend to do.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The prince of darkness, who has so long bent the powers of his mastermind to the work of deception, skillfully adapts his temptations to men of all classes and conditions. To persons of culture and refinement he presents spiritualism in its more refined and intellectual aspects, and thus succeeds in drawing many into his snare.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]God has expressly forbidden all pretended communication with departed spirits. In the days of the Hebrews there was a class of people who claimed, as do the spiritualists of today, to hold communication with the dead. But the "familiar spirits," as these visitants from other worlds were called, are declared by the Bible to be "the spirits of devils." (Compare Numbers 25:1-3; Psalm 106:28; I Corinthians 10:20; Revelation 16:14.) The work of dealing with familiar spirits was pronounced an abomination to the Lord, and was solemnly forbidden under penalty of death. Leviticus 19:31; 20:27.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Satan has long been preparing for his final effort to deceive the world. The foundation of his work was laid by the assurance given to Eve in Eden: "Ye shall not surely die." "In the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:4, 5. Little by little he has prepared the way for his masterpiece of deception in the development of spiritualism. He has not yet reached the full accomplishment of his designs; but it will be reached in the last remnant of time. Says the prophet: "I saw three unclean spirits like frogs; . . . they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." Revelation 16:13, 14. [/FONT]

I am trying to get the point of this thread.
Do you feel pressued to believe in any apparition?
We Catholics aren't and you certainly are not asked to.

The Church hasn't even begun examining Medjugorje, yet. Mary is still said to be appearing there.

I know many folks including Clergy that haven't accepted these appearances.

Why the curiosity?

 

[Merciel]

This has happened to many people some of whom are known to me. The devils will often respond while talking the form of the one besought, whether dead or alive, even if he is unaware of those who call on him. Those committing Shirk in this fashion believe that the person beseeched has actually replied when in fact it is the JINN replying. This frequently happens to Christians who call on those whom they edify, whether dead or alive, like George or other holy figures [ROME, Feb 24 1989 (AFP) -

A retired Italian roadman Renato Baron claims that he has been seeing and talking to the Virgin Mary for nearly three years now. Visions by Baron and about THIRTY others have attracted tens of thousands of people from Italy, France, Belgium, and West Germany to a hill near Venice, causing huge traffic jams.

A retired Italian roadman Renato Baron claims that he has been seeing and talking to the Virgin Mary for nearly three years now. Visions by Baron and about THIRTY others have attracted tens of thousands of people from Italy, France, Belgium, and West Germany to a hill near Venice, causing huge traffic jams.

And that's probably why people see Jesus. Because it's actually Satan appearing to them trying to get them to worship God, just like Mary does to Catholics.

 

[Renton405]

In Guadalupe, Juan Diego was told by Our Lady to build a Church.
He told the Bishop who wanted proof.
The Virgin appeared again and told him to open his cloak when he returned to the Bishop.

Keeping in mind this was the winter, I do believe, and flowers were not in bloom. [and this happened in 513 AD. I think that is the date]
And he returned to the Bishop, opened his cloak and not only did dozens of fresh roses fall out, but before the eyes of the Bishop and witnesses, his cloak started forming a picture of Our Lady.

Now this is very important to note. Our Lady wanted this done so the pagans would be converted.

AT that time in Guadalupe, pagans were killing children as sacrifices....and so she wanted to give a full message.

Not only did the apparition appear on this cloth, but the average like of the material is 8 years and it disintegrates.

The cloth is still with us today without disintegrating.
So it is now 1500 years old and the picture is very interesting as well.

The picture that appeared, as per the recent studies, shows that the picture appeared like a polaroid and amazingly the eyes actually give a reflection of the Bishop and two witnesses.

I will suggest googling it.
The eyes of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

Wow, I read about ,, there are some videos too..

http://www.sancta.org/videos.html

Very amazing..