This bugs me...the chosen people

[divine137]

God chose the jewish people to work out his salvation through them. Why would God need to chose "A" people. Isn't our God big enough to chose all people? And wouldnt' that make more sense

He actually chose the "man" Abraham who obeyed and believed Him. So He found the "family" that God needed to bring a Son in order to save the world, legally, according to His Laws/Word. That's all that was.

Through them, the prophets prophecied that God's plan was to save the "whole world". But He needed an obedient and holy culture. So He chose Abraham. That's all.

So since He chose Abraham. He made a covenant with Him and his descendants. Thus, Israel. But God also removed those of Abraham's children who disobeyed and replaced them with "whosoever believes and obeys". Thus, US, the Church.

 

[Imscared34]

I need god.

 

[Imscared34]

to the max.

 

[Imscared34]

help me find him?

 

[Imscared34]

please

 

[GodsElect]

If you are in search for God, He has already found you! He is the reason for your searching. He is what has made your will to want to search after Him. And without Christ, there is no hope for the wrethed sinners like us to even stand before God on that day of Judgement. So your heart has already been changed! If it wasn't, you wouldn't even look to God.

John 15:16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.

Ezekiel 36:27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

 

[stutiw]

According to my perspective every one is special in the sight of God. Whether they are believers or non believers. Only thing that non-believers need to know that, God loves them and wants them. Yes God chooses his children to serve him. We should just believe he is God and he send his son to die for us and Holy Spirit intervenes for us.

 

[didot]

"It doesn't make sense to me." I love that line, having used it so many times before. There are many incongrueties in life, and God chosing a particular people back in the OT is just one in 1000s. Therefore, we must know Him, not know about Him, so we don't rest on what makes sense to us. He'll answer your questions in way you can understand and give you faith for the rest.

 

[stutiw]

God loves every one equally, he does not perform favoritism on anyone. He accepts every one just as they are.

Your understanding is right. He chose 'Jew' that goes to a theological understanding, and you will have to have a deep study to understand that.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

God loves every one equally, he does not perform favoritism on anyone. He accepts every one just as they are.

Why do you think this is true?

 

[cheryljones]

God chose the Hebrew people due to one man's obedience. Abraham left false gods to follow the Lord's voice. It says in scriptures that God knew Abraham would teach his household to follow as well. That led into a whole nation following God's guidance to become a purer people than the nations around them from which to bring forth the Messiah. Other nations were in idolatry. Many are called, few are chosen, not because God has favorites, but because only a few pay the price to be chosen. There are requirements. God loves everyone....but has standards by which people and nations experience blessings and or cursings. He set up the rules. He is God. Salvation by faith in Jesus Christ is free....growth and experiencing the blessings of God comes with the price of obedience.

 

[AnnieBanannie]

to answer mr jon...questionread James 2:1-13..listen to this one " ...has G-d not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom.....you shall love your neighbor as yourself" ..no matter who he is...God is no respector of persons, what makes God act is how much faith we have in HIM just my thoughts with the wordSHALOM SHALOM!

 

[lucaspa]

God chose the Hebrew people due to one man's obedience. Abraham left false gods to follow the Lord's voice. It says in scriptures that God knew Abraham would teach his household to follow as well.

Why didn't God talk to others? You can't be serious that only Abraham would teach his household to follow.

That led into a whole nation following God's guidance to become a purer people than the nations around them from which to bring forth the Messiah.

All the OT says that the Hebrews were not "purer". The prophets are continually complaining about how impure Israel is. Also, right after God has shown His power in freeing the Hebrews from servitude in Egypt, what do they do? They abandon God and make a false idol -- the golden calf!

Let me submit that you are using "chosen" in an inappropriate fashion. You are looking for qualities in the Hebrews that set them apart from other people.

That isn't the case. God "chooses" the Hebrews in order to demonstrate His existence by intervening in their history. In a very dramatic fashion. Basically, God creates a nation -- Israel -- ex nihilo, out of nothing.

Other nations were in idolatry.

Not at the time. At the time of Exodus and Abraham, the Bible accepts that other gods exist. The Hebrews are simply not to worship them, because Yahweh is their god. It was only after the Babylonian Conquest that we see the new theological idea that there is only one deity -- Yahweh.

Many are called, few are chosen, not because God has favorites, but because only a few pay the price to be chosen. There are requirements. God loves everyone....but has standards by which people and nations experience blessings and or cursings.

This lessens God's love and forgiveness. It also goes against everything Jesus teaches about inclusion. You are being exclusive.

God chose the Hebrews not because of anything THEY did. The choice was solely God's to intervene in their history.

And remember, after God "chose" the Hebrews, Jesus ends up disobeying most of the tenets of the faith they had built up over the past 1,500 years.

Also, if you look in the OT, there are several instances where people "disobey" God by arguing with Him. Moses in Exodus and David are good examples. In both cases they get God to change His mind. In Exodus God "repents". Even Jesus argues with God by asking to be let off the hook in the Garden of Gethsemane.

So, blind and complete obedience is not what God wants.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

boy that last one is bizarre! someone please show from Scripture that it is not so....
Jonathan, how you been ?

 

[visionary]

Just as we are chosen by God today, individuals have been chosen throughout human history. God seeing the faithfulness (comparitively speaking) of the Hebrews throughout the generations, was able to be revealed (poorly sometimes) to the world through them. They did preserve the Word of God, have individuals that became prophets of His Word, and for those things God has blessed them.

They are cursed for their failures and blessed for their faithfulness. Just as we are. God is not a respecter of groups, but a dear friend of His friends.

What is revealed in prophecy and in truth is the truth spoken by prophets come to pass, and since it is about and centers on the Jerusalem and Hebrew descendents, it is because God knowing the beginning to the end, knows that the end will be again with the Hebrew nation. He fortold of the time of the gentiles, because He knew where the light of His Word would shine, and for how long.

Ezekiel 30:3 For the day is near, Even the day of the LORD is near; It will be a day of clouds, the time of the Gentiles.

From the first coming of Yeshua to the second coming has been the time of the Gentiles. But the grand finally....is back centered on the Jews and Jerusalem.

Luke 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Which we are seeing develop to its fulness in Jerusalem today.

 

[BARAKGIRL7]

Hello & God bless!

God's sense is not man's sense. He is high and holy and His thoughts are higher than ours. He could have chosen anyone. Since He is the only true wise and living God, He knows what's best -Father knows best-

Plus Jesus is Jewish. What difference does it make? God was not trying to please any one race or group of people. He does EVERYTHING WELL!

Don't allow small insignificant things to draw you away from the real thing. Keep the real thing - the real thing.

 

[BARAKGIRL7]

TO: I'm scared

What a wonderful place to be in. Help is right there where you are. All you need to do is ask Him to come into your heart, make you a new creature and be Head of your life. He will do that and we will rejoice because you have decided to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. It's 'COLD' out there. Living in a mean and evil world with satan as the god of this world, you really need Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God the Father to lead, guide, direct and protect you.

If you make the decision to ask Jesus to come into your heart, and I pray that you do, WELCOME to the family. God bless you!

 

[BARAKGIRL7]

Elenyil,
Some love to argue about the bible. It's because they don't know Him or His Word. The bible says not to argue or to defend it but to contend. It is impossible to speak spiritually to a person who is carnal - unsaved. Some will always have questions but in the safety of His Arms, we rest assured - in Him. love to you and yours.

 

[BARAKGIRL7]

the egyptians wouldn't have been told about Christianity because it didn't exist yet...

as to the question, does God love (or weigh) the one man more than those 75 children? No, he views everyone as equal. Each person is given the time they need to choose whether or not they would accept Christ. God knows how long we are here, and knows the decision we will make. He has chosen us, which allows us to choose him.

You made a point about how we view all that God did as just. Looking from your perspective, heck no, God isn't just in murdering those people. But, what if I told you that those nations who God destroyed were not just regular people? These were people who did horrible things, including worshiping idols, committing adultry, committing homosexual acts, even going so far as to offer up their own children as sacrifices. God destroyed their children not because they did anything wrong, but because as a nation, they had done so much wrong that there was no hope for them to turn back to God.

I hope that makes sense.

Pat D

ps. I don't believe in an "age of accountability." All, from those who die at day 1 to those who die at 93 all are under judgement for their sin, which is passed on from Adam. However, I do believe that since God chooses His elect, I believe that God chooses those who are young, and those who are even mentally incapacitated to choose.

It seems that you are believing what you think. What we think is not reality. Have you ever said "Oh, I thought this or I thought that?" That means that we can be wrong. On the other hand, God is never wrong about anything! Once we know Him and His Word, we leave behind all those arrogant thoughts we used to have prior and try to align ourselves and thoughts with His. luv

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Why didn't God talk to others? You can't be serious that only Abraham would teach his household to follow.

God spoke to many at the time of Abraham. Just as one example, Lot! And Abraham gave a tithe to a person called Melchizedek. A tithe is not rightly given to an idolator.

At the time of Exodus and Abraham, the Bible accepts that other gods exist. The Hebrews are simply not to worship them, because Yahweh is their god. It was only after the Babylonian Conquest that we see the new theological idea that there is only one deity -- Yahweh.

Although it is true that multiple persons called "gods" are discussed in Genesis and Exodus, with the Hebrew word "Eloheem", there is one Person cited in these books which cannot be found in idolatrous theologies. In the earliest books of the Bible, in Hebrew, it is "Yahweh Eloheem"; in English it is usually, somewhat poorly, translated to "Lord God". I would suggest that the best rendering in English, is probably "Lord of the Eloheem". This is identical in grammatical pattern to "Melech Yisroel", which is rendered "King of Israel". It is useful to know that this word "Eloheem" can be translated fairly well to all of "God", "gods", and "angels".