This bugs me...the chosen people

[Amanda_4ever]

God Loves everyone the same no matter if you are rich or poor etc... i dont agree with that abrham bit abraham was just the same kind of person as us in gods eyes

 

[Amanda_4ever]

read the abraham story

 

[bo dull04]

is it a sin have sex before marrige

 

[oworm]

is it a sin have sex before marrige

Whats that got to do with the OP??

 

[gallykid08]

keep in mind...no one knows the mind of God.

sometimes you can look and look and look...but answers arent always there. trust me, i know.

God chose the Jews. and he used the Jews for the future messiah, Yeshua (Jesus) now...salvation is open to everyone.

why the Jews? i dont know. im not God, and i dont know his mind.

 

[gallykid08]

is it a sin have sex before marrige

kinda doesnt fit into this topic lol.

read the bible...in there it says it is a sin.

 

[Lighthouse1]

Then God put some certain conditions to them , after they disobied God and Moses , in many things , not only God , but also Moses became angry from them , they caused by their disobedience , to prevent Moses from entering the holy land , and he died out of it .

It wasn't the faults of the people that stopped Moses from entring the Holy Land. Moses disobeyed God. The second time they needed water from the rock God told Moses to speak to the rock, but instead he struck it, like the first time. God was still faithful and made the water appear.

more than that , they denied Jesus the Christ , and complained about him to the Roman governor, which caused to Jesus many troubles .
can any one think , after all that bad things in doings and sayings , that the saying "" "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curse thee"
"" is still valid ! i donot think that .

That the Messiah would die is foretold in the jewish scriptures. It was not a sin that caught God by suprise. In fact the time of his death at Passover was exactly as was foretold, and as the rule for the passover lamb was that not a bone was to be broken, so with Jesus our passover lamb, not a bone was broken.

God does not change and is unconditional promise to the Jews still holds true. Consider Israel, without a homeland of their own since it was conquered by the babylonians. Now God is collecting them back there as promised

"22 Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD , declares the Sovereign LORD , when I show myself holy through you before their eyes. 24 " 'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. 28 You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God.

 

[Yoffi]

Just some quick thoughts in passing...these couplets have various claims of authorship and have been revamped and de-anti-semitized quite successfully I think. In Scripture the uniqueness of the calling of the Jewish people is compared with the uniqueness of the calling of all born again Believers. Truely the ways of the L-rd are marvellous.

How odd of G-d to choose the Jews!
How odder still that He should die

For such a one as you and I.

How odd of God to choose the Jews, But not so odd as those who choose the Jewish God and Spurn the Jews.
Deuteronomy 7:6 "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God; the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth...."

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

 

[Gamecock]

Thanks, but it didn't really answer my question. I know about the NT new covenant.


But why would our God choose A people in the OT? He's big enough to choose ALL people, isn't He?

It's never made sense to me.

Somethings are done by God because he is God. If he has a choosen people that's his perogitive.

 

[elenyil]

I apologize, I'm kind of new here. Hehe, go figure.

Let's say for instance, Joe (no coincidence intended) commits arson, and in doing so, effectively murders 75 little children. Thusly, a commandment is breached. However, on his deathbed, he, through meditation and acceptance of Christ as his personal savior, repents wholeheartedly. Joe ascends to Heaven.

However, my question is in regards to the 75 children. What happens to them? Do they ascend to Heaven, or fall to Hell? I am fairly certain that in those 75 children, a large majority of them should be non-believers. Some of them may have downright refused the contradictive logic of the Gospel, and many others have never had the opportunity for exposure to Christianity. I ask you this now. Does God not effectively weigh this one man's life above that of the children? What of these little ones who lost their chance at eternal salvation? What of the wives and children of Job whom the Lord allowed to be murdered to prove Job's loyalty? Is the Lord not casting them by the wayside?

Many of my friends take to the philosophy that they accept whatever the Lord does with an open mind and an open heart. However, they will not commit to the statement that the Lord is evil. Therefore, by default they believe that whatever the Lord does is just and good for His Children. Then by the beliefs of my friends...murder is good. "...dash[ing] the infants against the rocks..." is good, murdering the Egyptian firstborn whom did not have the opportunity of Christian exposure...is good.

Murder is good...because the Lord commands it.
Murder is bad...because the Lord commands it.

Is Christianity then, not a dictatorship? He offers us free will, yet knows exactly what we are going to choose. There is not ethical meaning, because it changes to his will. Christianity encompasses blind faith...in which one must not ask for proof. What difference is God then, from a conquering tyrant who's word becomes law, and whom punishes those that displease him?

 

[OldShepherd]

I apologize, I'm kind of new here. Hehe, go figure.

Let's say for instance, Joe (no coincidence intended) commits arson, and in doing so, effectively murders 75 little children. Thusly, a commandment is breached. However, on his deathbed, he, through meditation and acceptance of Christ as his personal savior, repents wholeheartedly. Joe ascends to Heaven.

However, my question is in regards to the 75 children. What happens to them? Do they ascend to Heaven, or fall to Hell? I am fairly certain that in those 75 children, a large majority of them should be non-believers. Some of them may have downright refused the contradictive logic of the Gospel, and many others have never had the opportunity for exposure to Christianity. I ask you this now. Does God not effectively weigh this one man's life above that of the children? What of these little ones who lost their chance at eternal salvation? What of the wives and children of Job whom the Lord allowed to be murdered to prove Job's loyalty? Is the Lord not casting them by the wayside?

Many of my friends take to the philosophy that they accept whatever the Lord does with an open mind and an open heart. However, they will not commit to the statement that the Lord is evil. Therefore, by default they believe that whatever the Lord does is just and good for His Children. Then by the beliefs of my friends...murder is good. "...dash[ing] the infants against the rocks..." is good, murdering the Egyptian firstborn whom did not have the opportunity of Christian exposure...is good.

Murder is good...because the Lord commands it.
Murder is bad...because the Lord commands it.

Is Christianity then, not a dictatorship? He offers us free will, yet knows exactly what we are going to choose. There is not ethical meaning, because it changes to his will. Christianity encompasses blind faith...in which one must not ask for proof. What difference is God then, from a conquering tyrant who's word becomes law, and whom punishes those that displease him?

I have found that it is dangerous to make broad generalizations about most subjects and very ill advised to make disparaging comments and accusations on a subject that one has not studied. Have you actually read the Bible to know anything about the things you just posted?

[bible]Romans 4:15[/bible]
[bible]Romans 5:13[/bible]

 

[Katydid]

is good, murdering the Egyptian firstborn whom did not have the opportunity of Christian exposure...is good.

Ok, we all know that an adult that is of accountable age, that doesn't accept Christ is left unforgiven. But, there are verses in the Bible that seem to point out that we are judged according to what we know. Children have not been taught, and perhaps the Egyptian firstborns being killed was merciful in a sense. Basically, they will never grow up to hate God, which being raised Egyptian would almost certainly ensure that they worship many gods, not the one true God. Does that make sense?

 

[elenyil]

But where would the Egyptian children go?

 

[OldShepherd]

But where would the Egyptian children go?

The Egyptian, and any other children, who die are not condemned, they do not, cannot, have the law, see scripture I posted, Rom 4:15, 5:13, above. They go where all uncondemned people go.

As for adults read Romans 1:17-25. You probably don't have a Bible but in the top search bar is a "Search/Bible" link.

 

[S Walch]

Read Romans Chapters 9-11 for information on god's Chosen People.

 

[chrislife]

In response to the original chosen people question, all I can say is that as a mother I find a certain perspective that helps me to understand why God chose the Israelites. Choosing the Israelites should not be confused with unchoosing everyone else. It was a reward, a sign of love, a gift, to a child of His who had shown great faith: Abraham. The greatest part of the gift was simply that through his line would be born the Savior. Did God "need" a chosen people? No. But He wished to give a special blessing to Abraham, and I believe that for a parent there is no greater blessing than to see your children blessed. The gift I most pray for is my children's faith.

 

[patdryburgh]

the egyptians wouldn't have been told about Christianity because it didn't exist yet...

as to the question, does God love (or weigh) the one man more than those 75 children? No, he views everyone as equal. Each person is given the time they need to choose whether or not they would accept Christ. God knows how long we are here, and knows the decision we will make. He has chosen us, which allows us to choose him.

You made a point about how we view all that God did as just. Looking from your perspective, heck no, God isn't just in murdering those people. But, what if I told you that those nations who God destroyed were not just regular people? These were people who did horrible things, including worshiping idols, committing adultry, committing homosexual acts, even going so far as to offer up their own children as sacrifices. God destroyed their children not because they did anything wrong, but because as a nation, they had done so much wrong that there was no hope for them to turn back to God.

I hope that makes sense.

Pat D

ps. I don't believe in an "age of accountability." All, from those who die at day 1 to those who die at 93 all are under judgement for their sin, which is passed on from Adam. However, I do believe that since God chooses His elect, I believe that God chooses those who are young, and those who are even mentally incapacitated to choose.

 

[1_live_4_god]

jews rock teh mic, that is all. oh yea, god loves everyone so s_t_f_u

 

[ragdolly]

It's true, God has a special place in his heart for the Jewish race, and they are given special dispensations. But we are equal to them through Jesus Christ because He said "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God". "For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish but have eternal life. When we accept Christ we become the Children of God, what more can we ask for? He laid down His life for us. Praise God! I wouldn't worry about the Jewish People. God loves you enough I guarantee it.

 

[unlucky-core]

I wouldn't consider God choosing jewish people from the beginning... he chose those who were meant for power and victory... the obedient children of his holy land.
If it's anyone he chooses is those who stand still and accept him as their personal saviour.
People who strive forward for power are condemned by their words, by their actions, and by their thoughts. Why not stand still and let him come to you?
He will instruct you in the ways of virtues... if you want a head start, the greatest virtues of life are - love, forgiveness, trust, honesty, loyalty, obediance, hope, unity, peace, harmony, kindness, charity, compassion, patience, prudence. yup.
In demonstrating these virtues, you are bound for good fortune. Even as a non-believer, you must think of it as good karma.

Peace,
UC