3abn Continued

[Pickle]

Ellipses are never evidence that a quote is out of context. They merely show that words have been left out, but that is not the same as being taken out of context.

 

[Sophia7]

We are going to have to ask everyone to stop posting about people's identities at BSDA. We as CF staff cannot take action based on what has happened at BSDA. Our jurisdiction is limited to what happens here, so all of the talk in the thread about who is who at BSDA and whether people were banned there causes some difficulty for us in moderating and in addressing people's concerns.

However, if any of these people have become members here, we have an obligation to protect their privacy, regardless of their views on these matters. Continual questioning about people's identities, whether in real life or at BSDA, will not be tolerated here.

We would appreciate it if you would all move on to other topics and avoid personal attacks and accusations in the future. Thank you.

 

[bonedealer]

you are wrong . . . editing changes context - at the very least it creates the appearance that you are manipulating text to serve your purpose . . . i believe you do - based on looking at your work on the website you are involved in and evaluating your interpretation and posts . . . now, your statement may be true in your head - but though you have convinced yourself otherwise, you are wrong . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

Ellipses are never evidence that a quote is out of context. They merely show that words have been left out, but that is not the same as being taken out of context.

 

[bonedealer]

let's start the most recent one, robert, . . . the information about the flight to minnesota by danny . . . your information comes from johann, who according to the posts, received his information from a source who received it from a source . . . go back, read the series of posts . . . that is the most recent . . .

did you talk to anyone who saw danny get on the plane, who saw the flight plan, who saw dr. thompson get on an airplane . . . what did you actually witness yourself making your testimony first hand information . . . to date, i don't know of anything that you have actually seen or heard first hand . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

On either of your allegations, when? When have I done any of this? Please enlighten me.

 

[Pickle]

Excellent. I think it is always helpful to get specific.

Just to let you know, I did verify the information by checking out sources before posting it. So I wasn't going on mere hear say.

 

[tomatoe]

Excellent. I think it is always helpful to get specific.

Just to let you know, I did verify the information by checking out sources before posting it. So I wasn't going on mere hear say.

Sources? Plural? According to what you said earlier Johann didn't know the original source that told his source so....What sources did you check out? The only one that counts is the original one and since they were unnamed how did you talk to them? If you didn't, then we are back to checking with second and third hand sources again.

 

[noahswife]

Hi Tomatoe

What do you think about the fact that Steffan has posted several times that Judge Rowe states in her decision that Linda lied concerning the royalty payments. Do you believe that is an accurate statement of what Judge Rowe actually said in her decision?

 

[Rosie55]

We are going to have to ask everyone to stop posting about people's identities at BSDA. We as CF staff cannot take action based on what has happened at BSDA. Our jurisdiction is limited to what happens here, so all of the talk in the thread about who is who at BSDA and whether people were banned there causes some difficulty for us in moderating and in addressing people's concerns.

However, if any of these people have become members here, we have an obligation to protect their privacy, regardless of their views on these matters. Continual questioning about people's identities, whether in real life or at BSDA, will not be tolerated here.

We would appreciate it if you would all move on to other topics and avoid personal attacks and accusations in the future. Thank you.

Thank you!

 

[Pickle]

Sources? Plural?

That time I used "sources" in a generic way, so my use there could have been singular or it could have been plural.

Sorry I can't get more specific. You can kind of guess what might happen to the "sources" if I divulged anything. I don't want to get in trouble.

 

[Peach45]

BP:
That time I used "sources" in a generic way, so my use there could have been singular or it could have been plural.
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Huh?!?

must be a case of

"cogito eggo sum" I think, therefore I am a waffle.

 

[tomatoe]

That time I used "sources" in a generic way, so my use there could have been singular or it could have been plural.

Sorry I can't get more specific. You can kind of guess what might happen to the "sources" if I divulged anything. I don't want to get in trouble.

Yes, right Mr. Pickle. You know the old Elvis song, "caught in a trap, can't walk out?" Maybe you should borrow that as your theme song.

 

[Pickle]

Not trapped at all. Not at all. Not one bit. And if you knew the whole story you'd know that that's true.

Any particular reason why you're so concerned about who I talked to on this one?

Call up Danny, Walt, and Mollie and see if they have any ideas.

Or do you know for certainty that the trip never took place?

 

[Peach45]

Not trapped at all. Not at all. Not one bit. And if you knew the whole story you'd know that that's true.

Any particular reason why you're so concerned about who I talked to on this one?

Call up Danny, Walt, and Mollie and see if they have any ideas.

Or do you know for certainty that the trip never took place?

I just think it was sweet that you were concerned about keeping their identities private.

 

[truthmagnet]

For those of you who have posted in the past 48hrs.- Please tell me what has been concluded or resolved. I've seen nothing but bloviating and arguing. If any of you can tell me anything productive that has come out of these posts for the last 48 hrs. I beg to hear it.

 

[dclem]

Why has Dryden done what he has done for years. And why hasn't he been disciplined for the way he has handled all of this?

I can't answer that.

Also DC. You said you have worked at 3abn. That being the case, if any kids programs were filmed while you were there then you know the circumstances. People everywhere, parents, camera crew, directors, baby sitters for the kids that are not on the set right then etc, etc. Can you honestly say from your heart that even if those weren't the circumstances, that any of those little ones on tiny tots or kids time would have been in danger from TS when he came over once in a while (at the request of the Mitcheff sisters) to play a few songs for them?

I don't remember saying that they were. I wouldn't. however, let a child of mine be in his presence unsupervised.

 

[tomatoe]

I can't answer that.


I don't remember saying that they were. I wouldn't. however, let a child of mine be in his presence unsupervised.

I appreciate your honest answer. That leads me to ask though, in all fairness, why haven't you spoke up here on bsda when people have went on and on about 3abn allowing children to be in danger? You knew that wasn't the case but said nothing.

Also I read where you only wanted an apology> I saw the letter on joy's site that is allegedly from Tommy. He gave you one. But I was told that besides that, you received an apology face to face and what might have been an offer of counseling for you if you felt you had been harmed. You have stated several times you were 19 or 20 years old at the time of the alleged incidents which was said to have happened 20 or more years ago. So, If it is true that you had a face to face apology, an offer for counseling and a letter of apology, what exactly are you seeking and why did you go public with this? We know it is not for crimnal charges since you were not underage and you were not threatened or forced so I am just trying to understand what you want? Biblically speaking once you were ask for forgiveness (if this is true) and some kind of restitution offered (counseling) then it seems to me it should have ended there. Definitely not coming on a public forum with these allegations then saying you just want an apology when you supposedly already had that. If you just wanted to punish you have more than succeeded. Having one's life, mistakes, sins and alleged sins on a public forum for all to see would be the height of humiliation and shame. If that was your intent, then congratulations, you have done well....

 

[truthmagnet]

I appreciate your honest answer. That leads me to ask though, in all fairness, why haven't you spoke up here on bsda when people have went on and on about 3abn allowing children to be in danger? You knew that wasn't the case but said nothing.

Also I read where you only wanted an apology> I saw the letter on joy's site that is allegedly from Tommy. He gave you one. But I was told that besides that, you received an apology face to face and what might have been an offer of counseling for you if you felt you had been harmed. You have stated several times you were 19 or 20 years old at the time of the alleged incidents which was said to have happened 20 or more years ago. So, If it is true that you had a face to face apology, an offer for counseling and a letter of apology, what exactly are you seeking and why did you go public with this? We know it is not for crimnal charges since you were not underage and you were not threatened or forced so I am just trying to understand what you want? Biblically speaking once you were ask for forgiveness (if this is true) and some kind of restitution offered (counseling) then it seems to me it should have ended there. Definitely not coming on a public forum with these allegations then saying you just want an apology when you supposedly already had that. If you just wanted to punish you have more than succeeded. Having one's life, mistakes, sins and alleged sins on a public forum for all to see would be the height of humiliation and shame. If that was your intent, then congratulations, you have done well....

tomatoe,
if tommy is suffering, he brought it on himself. that is not the victims fault. it sounds like you are trying to make them feel guilty because tommy is going through a hard time. have you thought about how hard a time these boys have gone through and how hard a time they will continue to go through? it doesn't matter to me if tommy apologised and made offers of counseling to his victims. he could buy them each a lotus and that would not make things all better. he should be punished for what he's done (alleged) by civil law. any suffering he is going through right now is of his own doing and these young men are NOT responsible for that. they have a right to yell from the highest hill for as long as they want in my opinion. whatever they have to do,
that helps them recover as long as it's honest, is fine in my book. This is not their shame. It belongs to their abuser.

 

[Cliff2]

For those of you who have posted in the past 48hrs.- Please tell me what has been concluded or resolved. I've seen nothing but bloviating and arguing. If any of you can tell me anything productive that has come out of these posts for the last 48 hrs. I beg to hear it.

Do not worry about the last 48 hours.

This issue has been going on now for about 12 months and still after all that time not one issue has been settled at all.

Tommy has been send to "coventry" by most people.

We have no idea of what is true and what is false.

But the acussers keep it going and all of us have to keep putting up with it.

 

[Cliff2]

tomatoe,
if tommy is suffering, he brought it on himself. that is not the victims fault. it sounds like you are trying to make them feel guilty because tommy is going through a hard time. have you thought about how hard a time these boys have gone through and how hard a time they will continue to go through? it doesn't matter to me if tommy apologised and made offers of counseling to his victims. he could buy them each a lotus and that would not make things all better. he should be punished for what he's done (alleged) by civil law. any suffering he is going through right now is of his own doing and these young men are NOT responsible for that. they have a right to yell from the highest hill for as long as they want in my opinion. whatever they have to do,
that helps them recover as long as it's honest, is fine in my book. This is not their shame. It belongs to their abuser.

Then tell me in plain simple English why isn't Tommy charged and sent to serve time as it should be if he is guilty.

It seems pretty simple to me, charge him and get it over and done with.

Or are you going to come up and say it is too stressful for the vitims to take him to court.

For crying out loud, there is enough of them to make it stick.

That is if it is all true.

After 12 months you would have to doubt what is being said about Tommy.

 

[Pickle]

Then tell me in plain simple English why isn't Tommy charged and sent to serve time as it should be if he is guilty.

It's rather simple.

• You need alleged victims who are willing to brunt the criticism and bear the shame of coming forward and testifying.
• You need alleged victims that will do that within the time limits given by the statute of limitations in the states in question.
• You need alleged victims who will not buckle under the pressure or bend under the manipulation brought to bear by Danny and Tommy.