3abn Continued

[PeacefulSDA]

Perhaps you know something I don't. Do you know for a fact that he did not report them?

No, I sure don't. I haven't seen any documentation that Dryden has or has not reported these allegations to the authorities. I was responding to dclem's statement that he should have turned the information over to the authorities. What dclem said seemed to infer that it hadn't been done.

 

[Pickle]

No, I sure don't. I haven't seen any documentation that Dryden has or has not reported these allegations to the authorities. I was responding to dclem's statement that he should have turned the information over to the authorities. What dclem said seemed to infer that it hadn't been done.

It's all pretty hush, hush over there, so it might be difficult to find out if it has or not.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Duane, that would only be for allegations that concerned minors, correct? The ones involving adults would have to be handled in house, correct?

That depends on the state laws that apply. Some state penal codes read very differently. In Texas and in the case of adults ( 18 years of age and over ) an unwanted request for sex could be considered as a simple assault or in the worse case senario leud conduct if it is made to a person of the same sex. The initial charge could be very minor and come with a small fine , the latter carries a lot more kick to it.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Jimlarmore]

It's all pretty hush, hush over there, so it might be difficult to find out if it has or not.

If it was investigated, the documents and reports can be had believe me. Just because charges were not filed does not mean there was or wasn't evidence of anything. Law enforcement agencies like P.D.'s and sheriff's offices are all about filing any charge that they can to bring criminal's to justice. The fact that this has not happened to me indicates a few possibilities.


God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Pickle]

That depends on the state laws that apply. Some state penal codes read very differently. In Texas and in the case of adults ( 18 years of age and over ) a request for sex could be considered an a simple assault or in the worse case senario leud conduct if it is made to a person of the same sex. The initial charge could be very minor and come with a small fine , the latter carries a lot more kick to it.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Interesting, Jim. Do you know how the laws in Virginia read?

 

[Pickle]

If it was investigated, the documents and reports can be had believe me. Just because charges were not filed does not mean there was or wasn't evidence of anything. Law enforcement agencies like P.D.'s and sheriff's offices are all about filing any charge that they can to bring criminal's to justice. The fact that this has not happened to me indicates a few possibilities.


God Bless
Jim Larmore

So how would one go about getting paperwork regarding whatever investigations were done or complaints were filed in either Virginia or Illinois?

 

[Peach45]

I see that Johann posted something at BSDA about Danny and Walt going to Minneapolis last month to talk to lawyers. Is that true?

If so, how did Johann find out? Who leaked that information? Danny? Walt, Mollie? Some other insider?

Why don't you do the normal thing and ask Johann who told him that, if you want to know where it came from? Then you can tell us...

 

[Peach45]

No, I sure don't. I haven't seen any documentation that Dryden has or has not reported these allegations to the authorities. I was responding to dclem's statement that he should have turned the information over to the authorities. What dclem said seemed to infer that it hadn't been done.

It's all pretty hush, hush over there, so it might be difficult to find out if it has or not.

Interesting, Jim. Do you know how the laws in Virginia read?

So how would one go about getting paperwork regarding whatever investigations were done or complaints were filed in either Virginia or Illinois?

What does Dryden's allegedly seeking people out after returning to Dunn Loring in 2005 or thereabouts have to do with Tommy's ordination being suspended in 1985?

Tomatoe, there are some facts that we should be able to agree on. But to bring in points that appear diversionary and irrelevant, it's just not helpful.

Can we not agree on the fact that Tommy's ordination was suspended in 1985 while Dryden was nowhere around, and that thus Walt's statement is inaccurate when it blames the allegations on Dryden?

My understanding is that that is not how the allegations in Virginia came to light.

He certainly had a lot of reports from Illinois, didn't he?

Seems to me there was something before Dryden got there, but the details on that haven't been clear to me.

But we should be clear that even if Dryden cooked up everything in Dunn Loring, we still have allegations in Illinois spanning a number of years, totally unrelated to Dryden, with names that are known, and testimony that agrees as to what Tommy would allegedly say to the ones he was trying to victimize.

Plus we also have an eye witness account of a lady that says she caught Tommy in a house with a boy. It wasn't even Tommy's house.

And we also have an eye witness that has Danny in Tommy's presence when an alleged victim and his parents were coming to return a car. Thus we have an eye witness that testifies that Danny knew about the allegations around 1985.

Plus we have a witness who claims that Danny told them that Tommy had approached Danny himself.

Plus we have another relative, a male, that claims that Tommy approached him too.

Given all of this, whatever allegations there are in Dunn Loring are the more credible. And two of those three or four allegations are coming from individuals who were adults at the time.

Given all of this, it is totally inexcusable for Walt to still not have contacted any of the alleged victims to get their side of the story, and then to maintain that he did an adequate investigation. I just can't fathom why he has dealt with this situation this way.

Duane, that would only be for allegations that concerned minors, correct? The ones involving adults would have to be handled in house, correct?

Let me clear one thing up for you what happened in 1985 was taken care of then. The DA was informed and No charges were ever filed. That had nothing to do with Dryden.

The recent allegations are mostly to do with Glen Dryden. And that is what you need to worry about.
Because you have written it out and reported every peice of dirt and accusation you could find as if it was truth. People believe you. Look at Princess Di repeating what you've reported as if it's been proven in a court of law.



Then you have two Clems, one accused by Dryden of the same things he accuses Tommy of. and the other who has been doing awhole lot of talking and even threatening but will not make a statement even to you, and sign his name on it.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Interesting, Jim. Do you know how the laws in Virginia read?

No, I don't but I can assure you sexual molestation is very specifically spelled out in Virginia. It wouldn't be too hard to find out the penal code for that state, it may even be on-line. The leud sexual acts laws are mostly under the sections listed as crimes against the family. The age of the child is also important as well, for instance in most states a child under 16 cannot consent to sex with any adult and any leud act with a minor under that age is a felony. Now that Jessica's law is going nation wide they may be changing a lot of things.

I'll check and see what I can find out.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[dclem]

The point I was making is Dryden's involvement is self-serving.

 

[dclem]

Duane, that would only be for allegations that concerned minors, correct? The ones involving adults would have to be handled in house, correct?

That's true. But even then, it's between the victim and the abuser, not Glenn Dryden.

 

[Pickle]

Why don't you do the normal thing and ask Johann who told him that, if you want to know where it came from? Then you can tell us...

I don't think Johann knows where the information originally came from because his source won't tell him.

 

[Pickle]

I'll check and see what I can find out.

Thanks, Jim.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Here's some information to look at for the commonwealth of Virginia for sexual crimes.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+TOC18020000008000000000000

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Jimlarmore]

Why not stay on the issues at hand and try not to worry so much who a posters is but what that poster is saying? Just a suggestion that may save you a lot of grief later on.

God Bless

Jim Larmore

 

[tomatoe]

This has been my point from the beginning. Glenn Dryden has a history of getting in everyone's business. Furthermore, the list of suggested "action items" he wrote up absolutely infuriates me every time I read it. Who is he to make up such a list? He doesn't have a clue what the victims need as far as closure is concerned.

That being said, Tommy Shelton IS guilty of sexual abuse.

Why has Dryden done what he has done for years. And why hasn't he been disciplined for the way he has handled all of this?

Also DC. You said you have worked at 3abn. That being the case, if any kids programs were filmed while you were there then you know the circumstances. People everywhere, parents, camera crew, directors, baby sitters for the kids that are not on the set right then etc, etc. Can you honestly say from your heart that even if those weren't the circumstances, that any of those little ones on tiny tots or kids time would have been in danger from TS when he came over once in a while (at the request of the Mitcheff sisters) to play a few songs for them?

 

[tomatoe]

Perhaps you know something I don't. Do you know for a fact that he did not report them?

THat is a good question. Obviously, if he did, the authorities found nothing to substantiate it or we would certainly know about it.

 

[tomatoe]

So how would one go about getting paperwork regarding whatever investigations were done or complaints were filed in either Virginia or Illinois?

Why does it matter? Your internet campaign, your insinuations, allegations and your different scenerios have pretty much ruined the man and his family no matter what is really truth and what's not. Just the claims would be enough. So..why do you keep looking? In my opinion, exposing any alleged misdeeds to the world is punishment enough. Why do you keep kicking someone when they are already down and all in the name of christianity.

 

[Princessdi]

I thought TS "retired" a little early due to health concerns, elevated Choleterol, wasn't it? I thought it had nothing to do with the allegations made...seeing they were either 30 years old, or just the propaganda of Dryden?

Why does it matter? Your internet campaign, your insinuations, allegations and your different scenerios have pretty much ruined the man and his family no matter what is really truth and what's not. Just the claims would be enough. So..why do you keep looking? In my opinion, exposing any alleged misdeeds to the world is punishment enough. Why do you keep kicking someone when they are already down and all in the name of christianity.

 

[Pinkpanther007]

THat is a good question. Obviously, if he did, the authorities found nothing to substantiate it or we would certainly know about it.

CNN Anchor, Thomas Roberts says "
When I was in college, another boy, Michael Goles, came forward and reported his abuse at the hands of Father Jeff. I knew I could help Michael if I, too, revealed Father Jeff's abuse, but out of a feeling of self-preservation, I remained quiet. Michael wasn't believed, and his case was thrown out of court.
Nearly 20 years after the abuse started, I became strong enough to go back and confront what had happened to me. I was strong enough to tell my family the truth. I was strong enough to report it to the archdiocese. And I was strong enough to call Michael Goles and tell him, "I am sorry," and that I believe him because it happened to me, too.
Together, we were strong enough to see our abuser finally admit his crimes. Father Jeff was charged with 10 criminal counts of child sexual abuse in relation to my case. He asked for a plea and admitted his guilt in court. He was sentenced to five years in jail but only served 10 months. He was released early to serve eight months in home detention."

The full story can be found at http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/09/roberts.btsc/index.html