3abn Continued

[Princessdi]

Whoa Peaches!!! How did I get in this? What did I repeat?

Mr Pickle
The recent allegations are mostly to do with Glen Dryden. And that is what you need to worry about.
Because you have written it out and reported every peice of dirt and accusation you could find as if it was truth. People believe you. Look at Princess Di repeating what you've reported as if it's been proven in a court of law.



Then you have two Clems, one accused by Dryden of the same things he accuses Tommy of. and the other who has been doing awhole lot of talking and even threatening but will not make a statement even to you, and sign his name on it.

 

[bonedealer]

so . . . let's map this out . . . someone told johann's source . . . who told johann . . . who told you . . . with that kind of distance between you and the information, seems like there may be a lot of rather faulty information in your work . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

I don't think Johann knows where the information originally came from because his source won't tell him.

 

[bonedealer]

it's simple . . . stress! . . . stress is well documented to raise cholesterol, cause high blood pressure, and cause serious damage to the heart . . . now, if your life, princessdi, were being played out on the internet (doesn't matter if any of it is the truth or not) and you were continually accused of what he has been accused of . . . chances are rather good that you would also be in the same condition of health as tommy . . . there is an unmistakable connection to the false allegations and his health . . .

just two cents from the bonedealer

I thought TS "retired" a little early due to health concerns, elevated Choleterol, wasn't it? I thought it had nothing to do with the allegations made...seeing they were either 30 years old, or just the propaganda of Dryden?

 

[Pickle]

And we have an alleged victim of Tommy Shelton that just came forward for the first time on January 24, 2007, who claims to have been 8 years old at the time of his victimization.

With all these allegations, it is absolutely inexcusable for Walt Thompson to claim that he did a thorough investigation when he didn't contact the alleged victims, their families, or the two ordaining associations that had given Tommy credentials.

 

[tomatoe]

I thought TS "retired" a little early due to health concerns, elevated Choleterol, wasn't it? I thought it had nothing to do with the allegations made...seeing they were either 30 years old, or just the propaganda of Dryden?

I hope you didn't mean those remarks as "snide" as they appeared to be. What you are saying about his health had nothing whatsoever to do with what I was saying. The allegations put on the net obviously can ruin a person regardless if the allegations are true or not. Sadly people believe what they read on the internet.

As far as his "elevated cholestrol"..I think you have selective memory. Joe smith had stated that TS has had one massive heart attack, 3 stint surgerys done to his heart, extreme blood pressure problems...Joe even named the hospitals these procedures were done in and the dates. Seems like a little more than "elevated" cholestrol doesn't it.

 

[tomatoe]

so . . . let's map this out . . . someone told johann's source . . . who told johann . . . who told you . . . with that kind of distance between you and the information, seems like there may be a lot of rather faulty information in your work . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

Let's see, that would be at least 3rd hand information wouldn't Mr. Pickle? Maybe 4th. Lets see, the presumption would be that Linda is Johann's source so...X told Linda, Linda told Johann, Johann told Pickle. Yep 4th hand information. That makes sense and fits perfectly with the rest of your investigations.

 

[Peach45]

And we have an alleged victim of Tommy Shelton that just came forward for the first time on January 24, 2007, who claims to have been 8 years old at the time of his victimization.

With all these allegations, it is absolutely inexcusable for Walt Thompson to claim that he did a thorough investigation when he didn't contact the alleged victims, their families, or the two ordaining associations that had given Tommy credentials.

WE? who is we, please? I thought that was one of Dryden's unsupported claims, that you don't know about?

Is this something you have verified and documented Pickle? Is it credible or just a unsupported claim?

 

[Peach45]

Whoa Peaches!!! How did I get in this? What did I repeat?

I'm sorry, was I miskaken? I thought you believed all that Mr Pickle has put on his save3ABN website and were referring to T.S. as if he is guilty.

If that wasn't you I apologise.

 

[Pickle]

Let's see, that would be at least 3rd hand information wouldn't Mr. Pickle? Maybe 4th. Lets see, the presumption would be that Linda is Johann's source so...X told Linda, Linda told Johann, Johann told Pickle. Yep 4th hand information. That makes sense and fits perfectly with the rest of your investigations.

You are incorrect.

 

[Pickle]

WE? I thought that was one of Dryden's unsupported claims, that you don't know about?

Is this something you have verified and documented Pickle?

Of course. I've talked to the guy myself, and as far as I know, Dryden doesn't know about him.

 

[Pickle]

As far as his "elevated cholestrol"..I think you have selective memory. Joe smith had stated that TS has had one massive heart attack, 3 stint surgerys done to his heart, extreme blood pressure problems...Joe even named the hospitals these procedures were done in and the dates. Seems like a little more than "elevated" cholestrol doesn't it.

Since Tommy is alleged by Roger Clem's letter and others to suddenly have health problems when allegations are raised, and to suddenly recover when allegations blow over, and to lie and manipulate, we really need to have documentation that such procedures really took place.

 

[tomatoe]

Since Tommy is alleged by Roger Clem's letter and others to suddenly have health problems when allegations are raised, and to suddenly recover when allegations blow over, and to lie and manipulate, we really need to have documentation that such procedures really took place.

Mr. Pickle, your games need to stop. Not believing such as a heart attack and surgeries is absolutely ludicrous. You constantly want people to give you information then show us over and over you can't be trusted. You have went way beyond the bounds of impropriety and have shown time and again that you have no love for your fellowman. Only those that agree with you, that is.

 

[bonedealer]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/lacrosse/2007-04-11-duke-caseclosed_N.htm

this case has a parallel here, in regards to tommy issues . . . think about how this case (against these young men) have harmed them . . . not just in public opinion, but the health ramifications . . . i hope all of you bother to take the time to read the story at the link above and consider its ramification for what has gone on here and everywhere robert has spread his stories . . . false accusations can irreparable damage a persons life, not to mention the toll it takes on their health . . .

"There were many points in the case where caution would have served justice better than bravado," Cooper said. "In the rush to condemn, a community and a state lost the ability to see clearly . . . He said the charges resulted from a "tragic rush to accuse and a failure to verify serious allegations."

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

it's simple . . . stress! . . . stress is well documented to raise cholesterol, cause high blood pressure, and cause serious damage to the heart . . . now, if your life, princessdi, were being played out on the internet (doesn't matter if any of it is the truth or not) and you were continually accused of what he has been accused of . . . chances are rather good that you would also be in the same condition of health as tommy . . . there is an unmistakable connection to the false allegations and his health . . .

just two cents from the bonedealer

 

[Pickle]

Mr. Pickle, your games need to stop.

It's not a game at all. It's for real. When you have someone that not only is an alleged pedophile but also an alleged liar, manipulator, and faker of medical conditions, you don't just take his word for it.

How would you feel if a judge simply took an alleged murder's word for it that he was somewhere else at the time, without his providing any support for his assertion?

Certainly you're not that naive, are you?

That being so, Joe Smith ought to be able to secure the proper documentation that we can use to show people that Tommy really has had all these health problems, and that it isn't an act.

 

[Pickle]

http://www.save3abn.com/tribute-to-tommy-shelton-choice-quotes.htm quotes Danny as saying the following:

"Like I said, It doesn't mean he's going to be gone from 3ABN. As long as his health holds up. And and we want you to just spend some time and get your health ...." (Danny Shelton, 9:42)
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So which is it? Is he going to be at 3ABN in the days ahead as long as his health holds up? Or is he going to have to be gone because of his health?

Did Danny just get his words mixed up, or was he admitting that Tommy's health isn't as bad as they were saying?

 

[Pickle]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/lacrosse/2007-04-11-duke-caseclosed_N.htm . . . false accusations can irreparable damage a persons life, not to mention the toll it takes on their health . . .

So which of the allegations against Tommy do you consider to be 100% false? I think we need to nail down what aspects are false so that we can put a halt to the spread of them.

For example, can we unequivocally say that Tommy never approached Danny, and that Danny never told anyone that he had?

 

[bonedealer]

It's not a game at all. It's for real. When you have someone that not only is an alleged pedophile but also an alleged liar, manipulator, and faker of medical conditions, you don't just take his word for it.

here, robert, is the problem . . . there would be validity to what you have said - IF, and only IF . . . you held all to the same standard . . . you have accepted 2nd, 3rd, and 4th hand commentary as being valid and supportive of your allegations . . . you are willing to run with the words of an individual without checking, without doing your due diligence . . . you push ahead, putting your vitriol out on the Internet and then when people challenge you, you ignore it or you demand proof or apology . . . maybe, if you stepped back from your personal needs here and did the necessary research - you might actually be a valid voice . . . but, the minute someone makes an allegation, you publish it and then demand anyone prove it false without doing any research yourself . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

 

[Pickle]

. . . you have accepted 2nd, 3rd, and 4th hand commentary as being valid and supportive of your allegations . . . you are willing to run with the words of an individual without checking, without doing your due diligence . . .

On either of your allegations, when? When have I done any of this? Please enlighten me.

 

[bonedealer]

you present a quote out of context . . . evidenced by your ellipsis . . . it is time for you to put this tool aside and use whole quotes and emails . . . maybe then everyone can see if there is honesty in your accusations and interpretations . . . or . . . it is just more evidence of you trying to manufacture your case . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

http://save3abn/tribute-to-tommy-shelton-choice-quotes.htm quotes Danny as saying the following:

"Like I said, It doesn't mean he's going to be gone from 3ABN. As long as his health holds up. And and we want you to just spend some time and get your health ...." (Danny Shelton, 9:42)
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So which is it? Is he going to be at 3ABN in the days ahead as long as his health holds up? Or is he going to have to be gone because of his health?

Did Danny just get his words mixed up, or was he admitting that Tommy's health isn't as bad as they were saying?

 

[Pickle]

So you want the whole 20 minute quote? The entire program?

Instead, why not demonstrate that it was not in context.

You can watch the whole broadcast, and you will still come up with the conclusion that Danny really did say that Tommy would continue to come by 3ABN as long as his health held up.