3abn Continued

[noahswife]

If I was a betting man I'd take you up on that.

Probably not a good bet.

The following can be found on another website:

-------- Original Message --------
From: ****** ******
To: [Danny Shelton]
Subject:
Sent: 8/22/2006 8:07:00 AM

Hello, Danny:

My friend ****** shared with me the note you sent her yesterday stating that Linda and the doctor had each contributed $100,000 toward buying a home together. Just like so many other people, I'm struggling to hang onto my faith in 3ABN, and with so many stories circulating and all of them different, it's hard to know who or what to believe. If they indeed bought a house together it would be a matter of public record, readily available from the county assessor's office. Please tell me what county and state this was in so I can verify it. Thanks.

****** ******

-------- Original Message --------
From: Danny Shelton
To: ****** ******
Subject: RE:
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:22 AM

It is in Springfield Illinois. Her name is the one on the Deed, But when I was in court with her she had to show where her money came from to pay for the house. It was Arild Abrahmason. He put up $100,000 . Apparently, they didn't want people to see what they had done. So they kept her name on the deed.

-------- Original Message --------
From: ****** ******
To: [Linda Shelton]
Subject: Note to me from Danny
Date: Tue, August 22, 2006 7:49 am

Hi, Linda:

After reading this, I'm still not convinced. I was a battered wife and I stayed because I had small children and nowhere to go, and I was too embarrassed and ashamed to turn to my family. If I'd had a friend who could have helped me get a new start, I would have left in a heartbeat. I finally left after he gave me a concussion and was threatening to kill me and our children – and he would have been entirely capable of doing just that. The point I'm trying to make is that getting a loan from a friend is a whole lot different from going "to the arms of another," as he is here accusing you. Is any part of his statement correct?

****** ******

-------- Original Message --------
From: Johann Thorvaldsson
To: ******
CC: Linda Shelton
Subject: FW: [FWD: Note to me from Danny]
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:51:09 -0000

Dear ******,

Linda is having too many letters to reply to herself, so she is asking me to tell you what happened here. Let me first introduce myself. I am a retired pastor who was volunteering for 3ABN until Danny fired me because I was unwilling to back him up with the false statements he used to get rid of Linda so he could marry his young girlfriend, Brandy. Before there were any problems between Danny and Linda, my wife, Irmgard, and Linda became very close friends. So when Irmgard died last year Linda got up at the funeral and expressed her appreciation that Irmgard had remained her friend when all other friends deserted her because they believed all the evil lies and accusations hurled at her.

Danny's statements are downright ridiculous. When Danny chased Linda out of his house she bought a mobile home in Marion. I have been there. It was too close to 3ABN for comfort because Danny was continually making life hard for her. Danny managed to get a quick divorce from Linda which went into effect on June 21, 2004.

Several weeks after the divorce was final Linda found a suitable home for herself and her daughter in Springfield. Before the divorce Danny had fired her, so she had no employment. This meant that she had no more health insurance, and no bank would issue her a loan. Wasn't she fortunate that there now was a friend who would issue her a 10-year loan, so she could have a comfortable place to live?

Through this whole process Danny and his gang have been twisting every thing Linda does so that people get the impression she has done something completely wrong. Doesn't this tell you how desperate he was to get to marry his Brandy with her two daughters from two previous marriages?

Yes, if Linda had done this while she was still married, some would have questioned the appropriateness of Linda getting a private loan. The fact is that by now she was all alone and in a desperate situation, She had no husband to help her. Would you not say that only an evil mind could twist the facts to let you think she was still married to Danny Shelton and then using this as a reason for the divorce? And then Danny and his gang claim they are the only ones who know how to proclaim the TRUTH? Which truth is that? Does the Lord bless a preacher who lives a life based on such lies?

I know your morals are higher than that, ******.

Blessings,

Johann Thorvaldsson

 

[noahswife]

I can't blame her as it is her Christian reputation that is at stake here. Danny Shelton's is also at stake here, and he knows it as well as Linda does.

I could not agree more with this assessment. There is a great deal of discussion on various forums that ask why Linda is not moving on and getting on with the ministry she says she wants. But it seems quite clear to me that until her name is cleared she will be hindered in doing this. So for all who plead that these discussions are hurting the work of 3abn, my position is that Linda was neither treated fairly or consistently with other Shelton family members even if she did what she was accused of nor should she and her ministry be sacrificed to allow 3abn to continue without being accountable for what was done.

 

[StormyOne]

the reality seems to be that those who don't believe Mr. Shelton did anything wrong will not be convinced that he did, no matter what the evidence is.......

 

[truthmagnet]

I could not agree more with this assessment. There is a great deal of discussion on various forums that ask why Linda is not moving on and getting on with the ministry she says she wants. But it seems quite clear to me that until her name is cleared she will be hindered in doing this. So for all who plead that these discussions are hurting the work of 3abn, my position is that Linda was neither treated fairly or consistently with other Shelton family members even if she did what she was accused of nor should she and her ministry be sacrificed to allow 3abn to continue without being accountable for what was done.

IMO: i think the reason this continues is not because of what Linda has done or is doing it is because of what danny and his loyalist are doing to her and others. they have not been honest and forthcoming. they make accusations and give no proof. they accuse others to try and get the focus off of their sins. they whine about being persecuted when they are the persecutors of others. if they were honest and open and sincere, this would all be over. i've tried communicating with them and they sound like politicians, never addressing the issues, never answering any questions. 3abn is suffering and those staff members involved are to blame. they have brought it onto themselves by their dishonesty and if they loved the ministry, they would leave it in more capable hands.

 

[tall73]

the reality seems to be that those who don't believe Mr. Shelton did anything wrong will not be convinced that he did, no matter what the evidence is.......

Howdy Stormy. Long time no see

Well here anyway.

 

[sonshineonme]

I personally am saddened they continue on with no problems having a man who is now married to his third wife be president of the channel, simply because he does the main work and funding. I wrote to them a letter about that when I found out he was married for the 3rd time, when learning what happened to Linda. Christian leaders are held to higher standards than that biblically. that's my 2 cents.

I agree with you completely. Not only Christian leaders either - although these leaders (should) know that others are always looking toward them for a living example of relationship with Jesus (their fruits). There is a lot wrong in this situation. I am praying that God's will be done - and may those given an oppertunity to stand up for what's right, have the courage to do so.

 

[sonshineonme]

the reality seems to be that those who don't believe Mr. Shelton did anything wrong will not be convinced that he did, no matter what the evidence is.......

There in lies the most amazing clue of minipulation of evil. When we as christians will not accept truth, liking it or not, what more can our Lord do to wake us up? It reminds me of the sleeping virgins. If we can't pass the test in these small (but oh so big) issues, what will happen to us and our minds when it's really critical? We must be connected to Jesus first, not to a man or organization.

 

[Jimlarmore]

You see how things can get abstracted? Talking of Danny being married 3 times as a disgusting thing. Apparently, those making this statement doesn't realize that Danny's first wife was killed in an auto accident. I guess that "until death do us part" wouldn't apply to Danny here is that it? Linda is accused of having an affair. She was clearly counciled by the 3ABN board more than once to stop what she was doing but she openly refused. To my way of thinking, guilty or not, refusing to stop participating in what the board thought was a suspected affair gave them grounds to dismiss her. If she did in fact have an affair that would make the divorce well within Biblical grounds. Based on what I have read from Danny's testimony on this he truely believed she had this affair. He didn't jump right from one bed to another as some insinuate either. He just got re-married last year over two years after separation and divorce from Linda.

Whether she actually did have an affair or not may not ever be known for sure however, I can certainly understand Danny's suspicion for it occurring.
BTW, how many men are going to make an open $100,000 dollar loan to an unrelated woman without having a personal and intimate relationship with her? Let's get realistic here shall we? Things may not be prestine in the Shelton camp but it's certainly not on Linda's side either.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[sonshineonme]

You see how things can get abstracted? Talking of Danny being married 3 times as a disgusting thing. Apparently, those making this statement doesn't realize that Danny's first wife was killed in an auto accident. I guess that "until death do us part" wouldn't apply to Danny here is that it? Linda is accused of having an affair. She was clearly counciled by the 3ABN board more than once to stop what she was doing but she openly refused. To my way of thinking, guilty or not, refusing to stop participating in what the board thought was a suspected affair gave them grounds to dismiss her. If she did in fact have an affair that would make the divorce well within Biblical grounds. Based on what I have read from Danny's testimony on this he truely believed she had this affair. He didn't jump right from one bed to another as some insinuate either. He just got re-married last year over two years after separation and divorce from Linda.

Whether she actually did have an affair or not may not ever be known for sure however, I can certainly understand Danny's suspicion for it occurring.
BTW, how many men are going to make an open $100,000 dollar loan to an unrelated woman without having a personal and intimate relationship with her? Let's get realistic here shall we? Things may not be prestine in the Shelton camp but it's certainly not on Linda's side either.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

First of all, to say just because someone made a loan to someone implies a relationship other then friendship? Where is that law? Also, you say you can understand why Dan had suspicion? How can you say that? Based on what? What DAN has told you? That's not enough for most thinking people. Only for those that want to believe something in spite of any other information - you know, the WHOLE picture? Sorry, not buying that that type of reasonsing. Yes, I like the idea of being realistic. That is an excellent idea.

 

[StormyOne]

Howdy Stormy. Long time no see

Well here anyway.

yes its been awhile, though I lurk occasionally over here just to see what's up for discussion....

 

[Jimlarmore]

First of all, to say just because someone made a loan to someone implies a relationship other then friendship? Where is that law?

There isn't a law against it, it just looks suspicious to a clear thinking individual that's all. In my short life of 57 years I can't remember one time anyone that I have known of loaning a great amount of money like this to someone in a situation similar to this without having a very close and even intimate relationship beforehand. I'm an old cop so I have a suspicious mind anyway, maybe that's the problem.

That's not enough for most thinking people. Only for those that want to believe something in spite of any other information - you know, the WHOLE picture?

Ever heard of a pot calling the kettle black? Please take your own advise and try not to be prejudiced one way or the other. I'm completely willing to assume a different posture on this if the evidence warrants it. So far I haven't seen anything but slanderous gossip from most of the posters here and questionable statements from folks that would lie to protect their names or interests in this whole fiasco in other places.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

p.s. I'm not including the statements from those who were sexually abused in my statement above but that really didn't involve Danny or Linda anyway.

 

[sonshineonme]

There isn't a law against it, it just looks suspicious to a clear thinking individual that's all. In my short life of 57 years I can't remember one time anyone that I have known of loaning a great amount of money like this to someone in a situation similar to this without having a very close and even intimate relationship beforehand. I'm an old cop so I have a suspicious mind anyway, maybe that's the problem.


Ever heard of a pot calling the kettle black? Please take your own advise and try not to be prejudiced one way or the other. I'm completely willing to assume a different posture on this if the evidence warrants it. So far I haven't seen anything but slanderous gossip from most of the posters here and questionable statements from folks that would lie to protect their names or interests in this whole fiasco in other places.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

p.s. I'm not including the statements from those who were sexually abused in my statement above but that really didn't involve Danny or Linda anyway.

Mr Jim,

How do you know where I stand, really? How do you know that any knowledge I have is not first hand?

I was simply saying to you, if you only take what one side has said, how can you know the whole story - have you listened to both sides? Have you contacted and spoken to both sides? Have you talked to enough people in the entire saga to know what is at the bottom of this? What is going on? Have you done your homework? Have you measured things, put the pieces together to see what it comes to? I have. It doens't matter what I have to say, because truth stands on it's own, and it is coming to light for those that seek to know the truth. Do you really want to know the truth? Are you willing to work for it?

There are plenty of people who have come forward, and I'm not talking about on these forums. But from the upper echelon to the grass roots.

As for your comment about those that have been sexually abused not involving Danny and Linda - I beg to differ. When someone harbors, protects, allows, looks the other way, or has some of their own issues as aweful as the one they protect, it definitely involves that someone also. It's part of the problem and the picture.

I encourage you to examine it all, not just talk about it from a distance, or keep it nice and tiddy, for that is an unjustice to the truth, especially when the truth determines that it is anything but nice and tidy.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Mr Jim,

How do you know where I stand, really? How do you know that any knowledge I have is not first hand?

If you have credible information that will make all of us in the know on this then please let us have it. If not what you and I are doing here is as you say is useless and it is prone more to being gossip than anything else.

I was simply saying to you, if you only take what one side has said, how can you know the whole story - have you listened to both sides?

I read statements from Linda and Danny on this and other website places. I've read statements from the board and Kay Kuzma who were intimately involved in the counciling part of this. As I said before guilty or not when a board who holds your job in their hands asks you to stop doing something and you refuse you deserve to loose your job.

Have you contacted and spoken to both sides? Have you talked to enough people in the entire saga to know what is at the bottom of this? What is going on? Have you done your homework? Have you measured things, put the pieces together to see what it comes to? I have. It doens't matter what I have to say, because truth stands on it's own, and it is coming to light for those that seek to know the truth. Do you really want to know the truth? Are you willing to work for it?

I've been about the truth all of my life, however, in cases like this I think the truth may be almost impossible to really know for sure because unless you were actaully there to see it many times accusations made are bogus. You may think you have the truth on this but I could probably spend just a small amount of time and pick apart your truth or find holes in it to the point you wouldn't know for sure what to believe. I've seen it done so many time by crafty lawyers in courts of law and I know how to do it as well. The chances are you are basing your belief one way or the other on your biased slant for Linda's side only.

As for your comment about those that have been sexually abused not involving Danny and Linda - I beg to differ. When someone harbors, protects, allows, looks the other way, or has some of their own issues as aweful as the one they protect, it definitely involves that someone also. It's part of the problem and the picture.

Trying to protect a brother and comiting a crime like pedophilia are two different things. That is the distinction I was making, or are you now saying Danny is just as guilty as Tommy is in these attrocities?

I encourage you to examine it all, not just talk about it from a distance, or keep it nice and tiddy, for that is an unjustice to the truth, especially when the truth determines that it is anything but nice and tidy.

As a criminal investigator I understand untidy facts very well. I also know that sometimes a feeding frenzy of gossip can destroy a good man because every time a story is told it can get expanded or altered until the accused is attributed to very heinous things.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[DarylFawcett]

I haven't posted in this topic since March 9th, however, for better or for worse, it seems others here have picked up the torch and brought this topic back to life and kept it going.

Oh yes, the last time I posted in the other related topic was on March 18th. Nobody else has posted there since then though.

 

[sonshineonme]

If you have credible information that will make all of us in the know on this then please let us have it. If not what you and I are doing here is as you say is useless and it is prone more to being gossip than anything else.



I read statements from Linda and Danny on this and other website places. I've read statements from the board and Kay Kuzma who were intimately involved in the counciling part of this. As I said before guilty or not when a board who holds your job in their hands asks you to stop doing something and you refuse you deserve to loose your job.



I've been about the truth all of my life, however, in cases like this I think the truth may be almost impossible to really know for sure because unless you were actaully there to see it many times accusations made are bogus. You may think you have the truth on this but I could probably spend just a small amount of time and pick apart your truth or find holes in it to the point you wouldn't know for sure what to believe. I've seen it done so many time by crafty lawyers in courts of law and I know how to do it as well. The chances are you are basing your belief one way or the other on your biased slant for Linda's side only.



Trying to protect a brother and comiting a crime like pedophilia are two different things. That is the distinction I was making, or are you now saying Danny is just as guilty as Tommy is in these attrocities?



As a criminal investigator I understand untidy facts very well. I also know that sometimes a feeding frenzy of gossip can destroy a good man because every time a story is told it can get expanded or altered until the accused is attributed to very heinous things.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

I wish this were just a feeding frinzy. That would make it easier in many ways for it to go away in time. But it isn't. This issue got bigger because there are many things in it that lets say, and if you investigate, you would understand, the more looking there was done, the more was found. This is more then just about a divorce, unfortunately.

My knowledge and opinions are not based on a bias slant of any kind.

I agree with you - there can be bogus accusations, or expanded, or not completely accurate things said, but the bottom line is motive, intent and fruits. Those can not be muddled as they come to light. They are what they are. And many things that you have been led to believe, without your own investigation will be just that - what you have been led to believe.

For what it's worth, if you are an investigater, you will be driven to get all the information you can. JMO

 

[Jimlarmore]

I'm an ex-cop/law enforcement officer who used to do criminal investigations professionally. There is an old saying once a cop always a cop and I think there is some truth to that.

Being totally honest here, I will admit to being biased towards seeing all of this as gossip at this point and giving Danny the benefit of the doubt. The main reason being is that in the process of reading some of the statements I saw some clues that led me to believe some of the accusers had an agenda and ulterior motives to this other than justice and truth. I strongly feel they want to bring down 3ABN a ministry of God in the last days of this earth's history. I saw some convenient exclusions of facts I read from the board that Linda made in her statement and by some other accusers as well. When I see this kind of stuff that immediately throws up a red flag for me to see the whole thing as suspicious in nature.

If things are as bad as you say they are then let the truth come out. The Lord will not tolerate the kind of apostacy you are insinuating is going on there. However, if this is all just a bucket of feces, the more you stir it the more it stinks and we are certainly not glorifying the Lord by sustaining a pack of lies with this rediculous dialogue.


God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[sonshineonme]

I'm an ex-cop/law enforcement officer who used to do criminal investigations professionally. There is an old saying once a cop always a cop and I think there is some truth to that.

Being totally honest here, I will admit to being biased towards seeing all of this as gossip at this point and giving Danny the benefit of the doubt. The main reason being is that in the process of reading some of the statements I saw some clues that led me to believe some of the accusers had an agenda and ulterior motives to this other than justice and truth. I strongly feel they want to bring down 3ABN a ministry of God in the last days of this earth's history. I saw some convenient exclusions of facts I read from the board that Linda made in her statement and by some other accusers as well. When I see this kind of stuff that immediately throws up a red flag for me to see the whole thing as suspicious in nature.

If things are as bad as you say they are then let the truth come out. The Lord will not tolerate the kind of apostacy you are insinuating is going on there. However, if this is all just a bucket of feces, the more you stir it the more it stinks and we are certainly not glorifying the Lord by sustaining a pack of lies with this rediculous dialogue.


God Bless
Jim Larmore

You make some interesting points. I have to say personally speaking, I don't know of anyone, or anything I have read that that shows somebody wants the ministry to go down. That just is not the case. Quite the opposite actually. If it were as you are saying, I too would be suspicious, but I know that this is not the case at all. So, if someone alludes to the fact that this is the mission by people coming forward, doing research and reporting, you are mistaken to believe that. Keep that in mind as you read everything as well.

Also, as for letting the truth come out...how do you think that happens? You are right, the Lord will not tolerate it, and it's showing already. As He pulls his hand away, don't you think it will show?

I agree, I will never spread a pack of lies, work to cover anything up for anyone, that is not how Jesus would want me to be or to do - but I know He expects me to stand for truth - isn't truth Jesus' bottom line? Isn't that what SDA's are always saying is the most important and has seperated SDA's in some regard from everyones else? TRUTH?

Dialogue is never rediculous, if reasoning is accomplished.

 

[Pickle]

I assure you, Jim, that my motives are anything but wanting to bring down 3ABN.

I met my wife at Uchee Pines, and have pleasant memories of the three months I worked at the Country Life they operate, and the time I spent there while holding an evangelistic crusade in Columbus, GA, with the conference evangelist, and the three months I spent recuperating there from my auto accident three months before our wedding, and the seminar I did there a year and a half ago.

Then there is the three and a half years I spent working at Weimar and Eden Valley, and the internet work I've done for two different supporting ministries and the former president of another supporting ministry.

When someone starts slamming a supporting ministry, unless I've already got questions, red flags go up in my mind. That's the way it's been over the years regarding 3ABN too.

But when I got the 2003 Glenn Dryden letter last August, and when Pastor Dryden told me that he got a threatening letter from Atty. Mike Riva in reply, I knew that there were serious problems. A month later when we stumbled across the allegation that evidence against a non-pro-Linda individual had been manufactured in order for Danny to get rid of them, church leaders that got wind of that felt that was better evidence of corruption than the Dryden letter.

It's a horrible situation, but it is for real. And we would be remiss if we did not deal with it.

 

[Jimlarmore]

But when I got the 2003 Glenn Dryden letter last August, and when Pastor Dryden told me that he got a threatening letter from Atty. Mike Riva in reply, I knew that there were serious problems.

If this is the same minister's letter I read on another website he clearly has an agenda as well. Making statements that are desultery to say the least about Danny being married three times and that he got rid of Linda so he could marry his girl friend Brandy. Is that the same letter? If so then maybe you need to re-read it again with an open mind.

A month later when we stumbled across the allegation that evidence against a non-pro-Linda individual had been manufactured in order for Danny to get rid of them, church leaders that got wind of that felt that was better evidence of corruption than the Dryden letter.

Get specific on this,,, what are you talking about?

It's a horrible situation, but it is for real. And we would be remiss if we did not deal with it.

How are you going to deal with anything my friend? The only thing that appears to be happening to me is this gossip on the internet which certainly does not serve to glorify the Lord. If you were a regular contributor to 3ABN you could stop that I guess. Beyond that, unless you are directly involved , you can only help spread this gossip by stirring up the pot. If you have anything concrete then by all means let us see it other wise you are just passing on hear say information.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Adventist Dissident]

But when I got the 2003 Glenn Dryden letter last August, and when Pastor Dryden told me that he got a threatening letter from Atty. Mike Riva in reply, I knew that there were serious problems. A month later when we stumbled across the allegation that evidence against a non-pro-Linda individual had been manufactured in order for Danny to get rid of them, church leaders that got wind of that felt that was better evidence of corruption than the Dryden letter.

could you explain this. i am not familure with this