Homosexuality

[davedjy]

Billions murder. Sweet that means...

They do have to eat...or they will starve.

We murder animals, too...get the point?

 

[intricatic]

Oh, so I should have to stay celibate while you can go get married and have a family and be fulfilled? that is what God would want me to do, abstain? NOT!

I found a kool church in my area

If that's what God called me to, I'd accept that. I don't discount that as a possibility even now, I've already thought about it rather thoroughly and faced that possibility five years ago and I still accept it now. I don't think too far ahead at any given point, I try to focus on the here-and-now instead of twenty or thirty years down the line. Makes the day-to-day struggle of life a lot easier, and it makes life more sensible.

If that offends you as a possibility, and I believe you're a Calvinist but I could be wrong here (so correct me if I'm mistaken), how would you feel if God had in store that you never met someone you could feel comfortable being monogamous with? Is that something you could live with?

 

[davedjy]

If that's what God called me to, I'd accept that. I don't discount that as a possibility even now, I've already thought about it rather thoroughly and faced that possibility five years ago and I still accept it now. I don't think too far ahead at any given point, I try to focus on the here-and-now instead of twenty or thirty years down the line. Makes the day-to-day struggle of life a lot easier, and it makes life more sensible.

If that offends you as a possibility, and I believe you're a Calvinist but I could be wrong here (so correct me if I'm mistaken), how would you feel if God had in store that you never met someone you could feel comfortable being monogamous with? Is that something you could live with?

You see gender, God sees the heart and He sees the souls. That is what people don't get. There is no talk of "homosexuality" in the Bible...it is just an illusion that it is by itself. There are many Protestant Churches that are conservative, but accept gay, bi, and lesbians as the way God made them, and don't call their acts "sinful".

 

[davedjy]

If that offends you as a possibility, and I believe you're a Calvinist but I could be wrong here (so correct me if I'm mistaken), how would you feel if God had in store that you never met someone you could feel comfortable being monogamous with?

No, I'm not Calvinist...those people believe God only died for the sins of His elect, and not the whole world. 1 John 2:2 disproves that one.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Only because it seems to me most people who are going through that (homosexuality) tend to react rather poorly to the idea that their sexuality may be changed. I'm not really trying to win or lose at anything here, though, I know most people don't take it seriously when they hear someone talking about something on a message board. I'm used to that, and I'm used to being taken too seriously, which is a really weird dichotomy.

awwww thats not so. I take you serious, but do enjoy tweaking you

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

If that's what God called me to, I'd accept that. I don't discount that as a possibility even now, I've already thought about it rather thoroughly and faced that possibility five years ago and I still accept it now. I don't think too far ahead at any given point, I try to focus on the here-and-now instead of twenty or thirty years down the line. Makes the day-to-day struggle of life a lot easier, and it makes life more sensible.

If that offends you as a possibility, and I believe you're a Calvinist but I could be wrong here (so correct me if I'm mistaken), how would you feel if God had in store that you never met someone you could feel comfortable being monogamous with? Is that something you could live with?

Oh and my invitation still stands, in regards to inviting a former gay person on for a chat.

 

[davedjy]

Oh and my invitation still stands, in regards to inviting a former gay person on for a chat.

Who is the former gay person? did I miss something?

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Who is the former gay person? did I miss something?

No our friend Intricatic, said once that he would ask some of his former gay friends to come onto CF

 

[davedjy]

No our friend Intricatic, said once that he would ask some of his former gay friends to come onto CF

Does that mean that homosexuality is a sin in your opinion if they share something like that?

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Does that mean that homosexuality is a sin in your opinion if they share something like that?

No I would be interested in hearing from someone who has changed from gay to str8. Because I have never seen it. I have read all the slick marketing hype, but the reality has been somewhat different. It has nothing to do with wheter it is a sin or not.

 

[intricatic]

No, I'm not Calvinist...those people believe God only died for the sins of His elect, and not the whole world. 1 John 2:2 disproves that one.

That's another can of worms entirely. But coming from the same perspective of God's sovereignty, would that bother you if God had plans in diametric opposition to your own?

 

[intricatic]

Oh and my invitation still stands, in regards to inviting a former gay person on for a chat.

I'm still waiting to hear from the guys on that one. They're from Coral Ridge in Miami, and we're up here in Plantation so I gotta wait for them to come back to our Church to speak. I haven't forgotten, though.

awwww thats not so. I take you serious, but do enjoy tweaking you

At least someone does!

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

That's another can of worms entirely. But coming from the same perspective of God's sovereignty, would that bother you if God had plans in diametric opposition to your own?

It wouldn't bother me so much. But what I would need is clarity in regards to the situation. I just don't dig being left to twist in the wind. There comes a time in life, when one must either fish or cut bait. I am not going to change my life because someone tells me that I am a degenerate and going to rot in Hell (not meaning you) But I would have to understand that it was coming from God.

 

[intricatic]

It wouldn't bother me so much. But what I would need is clarity in regards to the situation. I just don't dig being left to twist in the wind. There comes a time in life, when one must either fish or cut bait. I am not going to change my life because someone tells me that I am a degenerate and going to rot in Hell (not meaning you) But I would have to understand that it was coming from God.

If someone tells you that you're a degenerate and you're going to rot in Hell, they're missing the point entirely. We're all given hardships and struggles, and almost everyone has something that nags them on a daily basis (in a very polite wording). I don't want to sound larger than life, because Lord knows what a hypocrite I can be, but life ain't always all stuffed pandas and pink flamingos.

8 All things are full of labor;
Man cannot express it.
The eye is not satisfied with seeing,
Nor the ear filled with hearing.
9 That which has been is what will be,
That which is done is what will be done,
And there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which it may be said,
“ See, this is new”?
It has already been in ancient times before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things,
Nor will there be any remembrance of things that are to come
By those who will come after.
12 I, the Preacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 And I set my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all that is done under heaven; this burdensome task God has given to the sons of man, by which they may be exercised. 14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and indeed, all is vanity and grasping for the wind.
15 What is crooked cannot be made straight,
And what is lacking cannot be numbered.
16 I communed with my heart, saying, “Look, I have attained greatness, and have gained more wisdom than all who were before me in Jerusalem. My heart has understood great wisdom and knowledge.” 17 And I set my heart to know wisdom and to know madness and folly. I perceived that this also is grasping for the wind.
18 For in much wisdom is much grief,
And he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
(Ecclesiastes 1)

 

[david_x]

They do have to eat...or they will starve.

We murder animals, too...get the point?

They will unneccesarily kill each other, kill the young of a rival, kill other animals for the sake of killing, jump off clifffs to kill themselves, and eat the dead, and somtimes alive, bodies of their own young.

 

[davedjy]

That's another can of worms entirely. But coming from the same perspective of God's sovereignty, would that bother you if God had plans in diametric opposition to your own?

Yeah, He doesn't though.

 

[davedjy]

They will unneccesarily kill each other, kill the young of a rival, kill other animals for the sake of killing, jump off clifffs to kill themselves, and eat the dead, and somtimes alive, bodies of their own young.

Well whatever, it isn't an example of love anyways like this is.

 

[david_x]

Well whatever, it isn't an example of love anyways like this is.

I'm just saying animals are definienly not somthing to immitate.

 

[davedjy]

I'm just saying animals are definienly not somthing to immitate.

Yes, but I am only bringing up one aspect of sexuality. I realize that they do not have morals.

Would God put to earth 450 creations that "mock His intelligent design of procreation"?

 

[david_x]

Would God put to earth 450 creations that "mock His intelligent design of procreation"?

Nope, then again he didn't give animals sexuality in the first place. They go after whatever moves and looks like them.