Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[SunMessenger]

Scripture does not back up that Mary is a source of holiness..

She is Holy in my eyes and the eyes of many. She was given a great responsibility by God Himself to bring Jesus into this world and to raise Him and care for Him for thirty three years. Despite much emotional torture and pain she kept her promise to God. I wonder who else of that day might have even come close to this act of Holiness .


Sorry to interject. Be Well and God Bless !

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I just went to OBOB...just out of curiosity to read some of the stuff in there. Trying to be 'open' minded...and oh my Lord. Protestants are called 'stinky poo poo'...uneducated...and a few nice other names. AND this was from people supposedly praying for us. I would prefer them to NOT pray for me if that is how they REALLY feel. And why wouldn't it be how they really feel? They are in their own forum, so they can be as candid as they want...and they sure were. IF I was even thinking of searching out truths in the catholic denomination....reading throught OBOB..just TOTALLY turned me off and I am not any more interested. I came away really sad that that is how catholics really think and feel. And they come across here like we are the 'bad' ones, just cause we don't believe all their doctrine. I am honestly and truly really sad by what I read in there.

 

[Veritas]

You know the same could be said about you, you know? I mean, you seem to have no interest in even considering that maybe just maybe Protestants might be right about some things

Actually, some Protestants are right about a lot of things. Problem is, there are over 30,000 Protestant denoms and growing daily. There is NO official Protestant teaching with perhaps the exception of Sola Scriptura.

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Just a thought...but I'm not going to argue. I'm not going to engage in insults. It doesn't matter to me what you say about me. My self esteem is pretty good so I don't care when someone says something about me that I know is not true

Yeah, I remember my "self-esteem" being pretty high when I was your age too!

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

probably any woman that God so chose. It just so happened He knew Mary and her heart and what she would do. She is indeed blessed for that. I am sure she didn't know the 'full' consequences of Him being Jesus...like she couldn't of known about his death and all..and how that played out. I am sure she pondered alot in her heart like the Word says. Be that as it may, as a mother, I am not sure I could of done it for sure like she did.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

'I' see you prefer to be the central infallible interpretter.

'I' is used alot. And thanks for the honest albeit insulting post letting me know it is only your own interpretation that matters.
So it doesnt really matter that you endeavor charitably to understand others, and that you only try to do your best to aid others if help is necessary?

And so history is moot point.

Thanks for the heads up.

Peace and love be with you.

That is so not what I meant. I am not "using my own interpretations." I am sorry that you feel insulted. I was trying to say that I respect your right to your own beliefs. I guess I failed miserably. If you have peace with God, who am I say anything about it? I don't try and convert others to Protestantism. It's not my place, it's not my job. I feel that you're twisting my words around. I won't argue. I used the "I" statements because it's what I feel. When discussing things like this it's recomened that you use "I" statements. It's what I feel, it's what I believe. Me, personally. I don't care what others believe. That's between them and God.

 

[drstevej]

She is Holy in my eyes and the eyes of many. She was given a great responsibility by God Himself to bring Jesus into this world and to raise Him and care for Him for thirty three years. Despite much emotional torture and pain she kept her promise to God. I wonder who else of that day might have even come close to this act of Holyness.

Joseph ?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Actually, some Protestants are right about a lot of things. Problem is, there are over 30,000 Protestant denoms and growing daily. There is NO official Protestant teaching with perhaps the exception of Sola Scriptura.

That has always worked for me.

Hebrew 12:22 But, ye came to Mount Zion, and to a city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of messengers, 23 to the company and assembly of the first-born in heaven enrolled, and to God the judge of all, and to spirits of righteous men made perfect,

(NKJV) Revelation 8:8 Then the second angel sounded: And [something] like a great mountain burning with fire [Mt Sinai] was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Then what would be the point of Jesus needing to be tempted by the devil and overcoming.

See your VP holds not much logic for Jesus being fully man to me. With these Marian dogmas and Mary's supposed immaculate conception, then it logically makes Jesus divine/divine. No more "fully man"?

Anyhow, I will start a thread soon on this.

PM me the link if you get the chance, please!

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

could you name me all these 'denominations' please?? I know the catholic denomination has at least 3...RCC, OCC, EO....protestants have several for sure different veins of thought for sure...there are Baptist, Methodist, Nazerene....to name a few. BUT like the EO and all that, we just see things a bit different. The bottom line for all protestants is that Jesus was born of a virgin, came in the flesh, died on the cross and raised again on the 3rd day. ALL of us believe that. It is the minor things that don't affect salvation is where the 'denominations' come in at.

 

[PaulAckermann]

Mary was in need of a Savior just like everyone else. So, I guess that makes her a sinner too? I know the C.C.'s won't agree with me. Oh well.

Jesus was Mary's Saviour. Yes, we Catholic believe that. But in a more profound way. Jesus saved us after we sinned. Jesus saved Mary from ever sinning.

Suppose you fall into a deep hole. I then come by and rescue you. One could say that I saved you. But supposed before to fell into the hole, I yelled "LOOK OUT". I still saved you, I saved you from falling into the hole. In both ways I would have saved you.

Mary was saved by Christ by never falling into sin.

That's what I was taught and it's what I believe. And if you read the Bible it says none are righteous. Not one.

So, there are no exceptions?

What about Jesus? Does that mean He was not righteousness?

And what about newborn babies? Since Rom 3:23 say that all have sinned, what terrible sins did newborn babies commit? Suppose a newborn baby dies. Didn't that baby go through life without sinning? And since a newborn baby who dies is an exception to Rom 3:23, does that not mean that there are exceptions?

 

[Punchy]

could you name me all these 'denominations' please?? I know the catholic denomination has at least 3...RCC, OCC, EO.uote]

If you honestly believe that the Orthodox Church is a "catholic denomination," I don't know how it's possible to have meaningful discussion with you.

 

[Veritas]

Let me guess..the Proverbs 31 woman is Mary?? NO!! NOT...she is the epitomy of what every Christian woman should be.

Now you're just making stuff up to be spiteful. Can you show me anywhere that a Catholic has said Proverbs 31 is about Mary?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Actually, some Protestants are right about a lot of things. Problem is, there are over 30,000 Protestant denoms and growing daily. There is NO official Protestant teaching with perhaps the exception of Sola Scriptura.

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Yeah, I remember my "self-esteem" being pretty high when I was your age too!

sigh....

http://www.justforcatholics.org/a86.htm


Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded."

 

[FrauleinElsa]

could you name me all these 'denominations' please?? I know the catholic denomination has at least 3...RCC, OCC, EO....protestants have several for sure different veins of thought for sure...there are Baptist, Methodist, Nazerene....to name a few. BUT like the EO and all that, we just see things a bit different. The bottom line for all protestants is that Jesus was born of a virgin, came in the flesh, died on the cross and raised again on the 3rd day. ALL of us believe that. It is the minor things that don't affect salvation is where the 'denominations' come in at.

You forgot about the Anglican church. They aren't Protestant either.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Now you're just making stuff up to be spiteful. Can you show me anywhere that a Catholic has said Proverbs 31 is about Mary?

I think it was a joke.

 

[Myriah]

Once I understood the Marion dogmas, I had a much deeper appreciation of Jesus deity AND humanity.

I appreciated Jesus deity more because, as Jesus being fully God, Jesus could not stand to be in the presence of sin. So there is no way that the all-holy God could tolerate being in the womb for nine months of a sinful woman. His total hatred for sin, His absolute holiness, required that His mother be pure for Him to dwell. Nothing is too good for God to dwell.

I appreciated Jesus’ humanity more because, as Jesus being fully Man, He treated His mother with as much tenderness, love, and respect that we ourselves would treat our mothers if we had a healthy relationship with them. Who among us would not give his own mother a special place of honor if we were to be crowned as king or queen of some country? Who among us would live in a castle and force our own mothers to live with the rest of the servants? Why do we expect Jesus to treat His mother with any less love, respect, and tenderness than we would our own mothers?

Jesus was in the presence of sin. He defeated the Devil in the wilderness. He was in the presence of many sinners.

Anyhow, wait on responses please... it's only curtious, as I said I was going to start a separate thread.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Yepperz. The LORD was a stickler about "perfection"

(NKJV) Hebrews 8:5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "See [that] you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."

 

[Veritas]

pot meet kettle...

I am always open to truth. And I care very much what Protestants believe.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So, there are no exceptions?

What about Jesus? Does that mean He was not righteousness?

Did Mary come down from heaven?

(Young) John 3:13 and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except He who out of the heaven came down--the Son of Man who is in the heaven.

 

[PaulAckermann]

could you name me all these 'denominations' please?? I know the catholic denomination has at least 3...RCC, OCC, EO....protestants have several for sure different veins of thought for sure...there are Baptist, Methodist, Nazerene....to name a few. BUT like the EO and all that, we just see things a bit different. The bottom line for all protestants is that Jesus was born of a virgin, came in the flesh, died on the cross and raised again on the 3rd day. ALL of us believe that. It is the minor things that don't affect salvation is where the 'denominations' come in at.

Christians do not agree on how to be saved. Some say that you are saved by accepting Jesus as Savoiur and Lord. Others say that you are saved by accept Jesus Saviour only. Some say that it neither, it is only by faith. Others say it is by faith and repentance. Other say that you must be baptized. The way we think of salvation is where "denominations" come in at. Does that mean that salvation is a minor thing?