Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[HisBelovedMelody]

2 Thessalonians 3

6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Stand firm, and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

1 Corinthians 11:2
I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.


Without Tradition, there is no Church. Just as Saint Paul instructed us to pray for our fellow Christians, Saint Mary constantly prays for us. Why would you not request the one closest to the bosom of Christ to pray for your salvation and holiness?

because I am seated in the Heavenlies with Jesus, so I am just as close to His bosem as Mary. That is why. Yes, she is blessed..but so am I!

 

[Myriah]

That is not scriptual..how can sin not be part of humanity?that is obsurd.

I agree that was an absurd answer!

Will someone pm me because I think I am on to something awesome here.

If we deny Mary's humanness (which means man) than that is saying Jesus was NOT fully man and fully God.

Are any of you following me here?

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Let me guess..the Proverbs 31 woman is Mary?? NO!! NOT...she is the epitomy of what every Christian woman should be.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I agree that was an absurd answer!

Will someone pm me because I think I am on to something awesome here.

If we deny Mary's humanness (which means man) than that is saying Jesus was NOT fully man and fully God.

Are any of you following me here?

I totally agree. You are right. Maybe you should start that thread..might be interesting to investigate this further...sorry about my misspelling Absurd! LOL..oops..

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Let me guess..the Proverbs 31 woman is Mary?? NO!! NOT...she is the epitomy of what every Christian woman should be.

LOL!

 

[Punchy]

because I am seated in the Heavenlies with Jesus, so I am just as close to His bosem as Mary. That is why. Yes, she is blessed..but so am I!

Do you doubt that it is a Scriptural doctrine to request fellow Christians to pray for you? Do you consider yourself more holy than the Blessed Virgin, the very birth-giver of God?

 

[Veritas]

fair enough. But in our disagreement with RCC over Marian theology, let's not forget truth.

Nor charity.

 

[Uphill Battle]

sigh... got to run for awhile.

IBTL, folks.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I have a question.

If Mary were sinless, than how is Jesus fully man? He got his divinity from God, but got his humanity from no where? All this about Mary seems to be denying the "man" part of Jesus then.

Does it seem that way to anyone else... and should we start a different thread on this? Because where is Jesus fully man according to these Marion dogmas?

Christ was never to take on sin, only flesh, this argument shows you are confused.
He didnt need to take on sin to be like us...only our flesh.

Yeah, I just wonder what Mary herself would say of all of this. Would she want all of this attention? Hmmm...personally speaking, I highly doubt it.

AS a humble woman, she is exalted.
Doesnt scripture tell us that GOD will exalt the humble?

So it doesnt matter what we want on earth if He is going to exalt us in Heaven.

I doubt she refused this exaltation. Since it is God's will.

 

[Myriah]

I totally agree. You are right. Maybe you should start that thread..might be interesting to investigate this further...sorry about my misspelling Absurd! LOL..oops..

Okay, not sure how to word the thread though.

If anyone has any ideas, pm... 'cause I need to get lunch at the moment.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Ark held the Ten Commandments...And that Ark was ornately designed with Cheribim AS per GODS order.

He made it so every detail was Heavenly, every detail was ornate and beautiful to carry His UN common Word [Ten Commandments]

Note how HE specifically wanted it a certain way, to which man had better comply to.

Nothing was left undone in His creation. He cared to every detail, down to the last atom, last molecule.

NOW...look at Mary. The NEW ARK for the WORD [as is Christ's essense since the beginning]

Yepperz. The LORD was a stickler about "perfection"

(NKJV) Hebrews 8:5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "See [that] you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Do you doubt that it is a Scriptural doctrine to request fellow Christians to pray for you? Do you consider yourself more holy than the Blessed Virgin, the very birth-giver of God?

Mary was in need of a Savior just like everyone else. So, I guess that makes her a sinner too? I know the C.C.'s won't agree with me. Oh well. That's what I was taught and it's what I believe. And if you read the Bible it says none are righteous. Not one.

 

[Veritas]

Okay. That's nice. Not that I'd listen to anything they'd have to say anyway.

Then why are you bothering to participate in this discussion? You are clearly not interested in what Catholics actually believe. You seem to be clinging to your cherished opinions. A closed mind learns nothing.

 

[Punchy]

It may be impossible to engage in meaningful conversation concerning Mariology with a person who has no previous understanding of what Orthodox Christians and Roman Catholics actually believe and why. If you deny Mary the title Theotokos, you are a Nestorian even without realizing it. If you don't understand what the words "Nestorian" and "Theotokos" mean, I'd recommend reading up on the Council of Ephesus.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Then why are you bothering to participate in this discussion? You are clearly not interested in what Catholics actually believe. You seem to be clinging to your cherished opinions. A closed mind learns nothing.

pot meet kettle...

 

[WarriorAngel]

To whom are you speaking? Certainly not to me. I am not concerned with what you believe. I am only concerned that I am right with God and that I have peace about what I believe. If you have peace about what you believe, then more power to you. Just please do me the one favor of not expecting me to agree with you. Because I don't, and won't. It's just not what I believe.

'I' see you prefer to be the central infallible interpretter.

'I' is used alot. And thanks for the honest albeit insulting post letting me know it is only your own interpretation that matters.
So it doesnt really matter that you endeavor charitably to understand others, and that you only try to do your best to aid others if help is necessary?

And so history is moot point.

Thanks for the heads up.

Peace and love be with you.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Then why are you bothering to participate in this discussion? You are clearly not interested in what Catholics actually believe. You seem to be clinging to your cherished opinions. A closed mind learns nothing.

You know the same could be said about you, you know? I mean, you seem to have no interest in even considering that maybe just maybe Protestants might be right about some things. Just a thought...but I'm not going to argue. I'm not going to engage in insults. It doesn't matter to me what you say about me. My self esteem is pretty good so I don't care when someone says something about me that I know is not true.

 

[PaulAckermann]

Because where is Jesus fully man according to these Marion dogmas?

Once I understood the Marion dogmas, I had a much deeper appreciation of Jesus deity AND humanity.

I appreciated Jesus deity more because, as Jesus being fully God, Jesus could not stand to be in the presence of sin. So there is no way that the all-holy God could tolerate being in the womb for nine months of a sinful woman. His total hatred for sin, His absolute holiness, required that His mother be pure for Him to dwell. Nothing is too good for God to dwell.

I appreciated Jesus’ humanity more because, as Jesus being fully Man, He treated His mother with as much tenderness, love, and respect that we ourselves would treat our mothers if we had a healthy relationship with them. Who among us would not give his own mother a special place of honor if we were to be crowned as king or queen of some country? Who among us would live in a castle and force our own mothers to live with the rest of the servants? Why do we expect Jesus to treat His mother with any less love, respect, and tenderness than we would our own mothers?

 

[Veritas]

I think I'm old enough to know what is and isn't true.

Knowledge has little to do with age. There are plenty of elderly ignorant.

I don't care what others believe.

Then why are you at CF? And why are you applying to be a mod?

It only matters if I have peace about what I believe

There can be no peace without Truth. Otherwise you have a false sense of peace.

 

[Myriah]

Christ was never to take on sin, only flesh, this argument shows you are confused.
He didnt need to take on sin to be like us...only our flesh.



AS a humble woman, she is exalted.
Doesnt scripture tell us that GOD will exalt the humble?

So it doesnt matter what we want on earth if He is going to exalt us in Heaven.

I doubt she refused this exaltation. Since it is God's will.

Then what would be the point of Jesus needing to be tempted by the devil and overcoming.

See your VP holds not much logic for Jesus being fully man to me. With these Marian dogmas and Mary's supposed immaculate conception, then it logically makes Jesus divine/divine. No more "fully man"?

Anyhow, I will start a thread soon on this.