Earth Outer Core is Spiritual

[dad]

It's a paroDADy thread. I thought you never came over here and just hung out on the C/E board and EvC forums?

I have sought the best that science could muster against my ideas, yes. I like to meet all evidence, and know if I am right or wrong.
Lately, ny ideas are such, that science is not able to offer much or anything in the way of needed tweaks. Their limits are clear, the natural only.
In a Christian area, the evidence of the bible is more free to be brought in.

 

[dad]

Nope, dad got banned twice from the EvC forum. Still soiling himself @ physOrg.com though. They do not suffer fools gladly there so it's been kinda brutal there for dad.

A cake walk. They, being limited only to natural science, took a while to start to realize there may be more that that. It is a shock to the system, to be faced with the prospect that you really don't know it all, and the past and future really may have been fundamentally different.

 

[dad]

Quite frankly, this kind of nonsense is a very good reason why creationism is a laughing stock. That anyone takes any of this seriously makes me wonder if some folk actually live in the real world.

WE do live in a very real world, and no real person knows what is at the center of the earth. They use indirect evidence, burdened with assumptions, many of which that are false.
Quite frankly, I don't see you providing any arguement except incredulity. Or, in lay man's terms, doubts!!!
There is more to the bible than appointing gay ministers. There are oceans to swim in..

 

[dad]

So, the body of Jesus for the YEC would have to have left the tomb of Joseph of Arimethea and travelled to the center of the earth and then come back?

I have never heard of such a proposition. I am not sure why you try to use it here. Has anyone actually suggested the same?

Lets also be absurd and say that if Jesus was really resurrected and talked with his disciples, there must be archeological evidence of Wile E Coyote style holes in the walls of rooms that he entered without using door, as is taught of his post-resurrection appearnces.



The Bible clearly teaches that we return to the earth as dust, ie, part of the crust.

Jesus was spiritual and physical. in the eternal form. No evidence for walking through walls can exist in natural only knowledge, especially 2000 yrs later!
Spiritual beings can travel instantly. Like, immediately being on the other side of a sea, etc. Distance is no problem.

 

[dad]

Is hell a physical location? Do souls (if "souls" are indeed the best handle by which we should describe the afterlife) have physical existence?

Is heaven a physical location? No. Neither is hell, at least not the temporary physical only state. (But New Jerusalem has exact dimensions, and a size. And hell is under the earth, so it has a location here. Not a physical only location, but, then, who says the center of the earth is that way anyhow???

 

[dad]

Well quite. This assertion would also make Hell not a lake of fire, but a rather cool place, wouldn't it?

If you thought it was a physical only place. But there are levels of hell.

 

[dad]

We have no physical evidence of anything

that is not true. there is lots of evidence and data from echo soundings and seismic reflection.

If we bounced a seismic wave at New Jerusalem, if it were up in the sky, and we could do that, how would it look? How do you know that????? Shouldn't you know what you are talking about? You are simply saying, in effect, 'I believe that the inner earth is just like the surface, physical only' Waves cannot tell you that.
What else you got???

other techniques such as:
"Geophysicists can also make maps of other physical properties that rocks show over an area. Gravitational pull, magnetic field strength, electrical conductivity, radioactivity, and spectral reflectance are all properties that may be used to detect particular rock formations of economic or geologic interest, even if they are buried below the surface."
from: http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/louie/class/100/interior.html

From your link
"The fact that the Earth has a magnetic field is an independent piece of evidence for a molten, liquid core. A compass magnet aligns with the magnetic field anywhere on the Earth. The earth cannot be a large permanent magnet, since magnetic minerals lose their magnetism when they are hotter than about 500 degrees C. Almost all of the earth is hotter, and the only other way to make a magnetic field is with a circulating electric current."
So, the assumption is that only things physical are involved. If there is also spiritual in the mix there, could we get power without the hot theorized way they claim? If not, why not, precisely, and how would you know????? You likely know NOTHING about the spiritual properties, and abilities, and laws etc. No, unless, and until you do, which would be never in this life, we have to strike that one. Anything else?

but to say we have no data, therefore the theory that hell exists in the core of the earth is scientifically entertainable, is simply and completely wrong.

Oh we have a little data, but we need to interpret that. Now, if you had been there, and run tests, and observations, and told us it was just like the surface, and physical only, under only the same laws, why, I would have to consider the evidence. That is not the case, you simply assume and believe certain things. But so do I. That is not science.

 

[theFijian]

If you thought it was a physical only place.

Which I don't.

But there are levels of hell.

Is that in the Bible, or is it Danté?

 

[dad]

The earth is not flat. [try and show the bible says that]
The sun, planets do not revolve around the earth. [where is that verse? and what will the new heavens be like, as to what revolves where??? and how do you know?]
The earth is not hollow, with an opening in the north pole where spirits go into the earth, where both heaven and hell are physically located. [it does not say that hell is physically anything. It is a place for spirits, and not just physical, but it is down there. Heaven is up. not down. jesus ascended up to heaven. He will come back down here. the paradise that used to be there, can you show us it still is?? the olt testament spirits rose from the dead after Jesus did, remember?]
Hell is not in the center of the earth's core.[never read that in the bible]
The earth is not 6000 years old.[yes it is]

God did not miraculously create kinds de novo, ex nihilo. there is no "kind" barrier to evolutionary common descent.

What does that mean? Sounds a bit like saying, that 'things evolved, and if there were no original kinds, we imagine they could have evolved from nothing'
What precludes the created kinds as the staring point for all evolving???

Black African slavery is not justified by the Hametic verses.

Jesus came to set us free.

Yet everyone of these principles can be and has been justified in terms of the Scriptures.

Hey, get real, as explained, prove it.

 

[dad]

Because there is 0 evidence for Hell being in the center of the earth as opposed to the voluminous evidence that something physical is there, that leaves no room for people to be burning. It's true, we're still investigating exactly what is in the center of the earth, but if you look at the evidence, it's clear, it isn't a void for hell.

Who says hell is a physical present state void??

 

[dad]

Because scientist have a commitment to seek out truth not "TRUTH™"

Only within the limits of natural only things. That doesn't cover the future. Neither does it cover the center of the earth, except by assumption, and faith.

and will not drop their guard for a second even if an untruth does not directly affect their work. So when somebody proposes something that is just plain wrong (in this case wrong and loopy), of course scientists will jump all over it even when it doesn't directly impact their field. So yea, it is a big deal.

Hey, jump away, let's see what you got.

..at evcforum.net ...

That forum is quite religious, and intolerant of other religions. Like discussing something with a talk show host that hangs up on you, and rants on for hours themselves. Or, allows only a narrow range of opinion.
If they were secure in their ideas they would not fear other ideas, and try to squash them.

 

[Mallon]

By my calculations, assuming an average human body mass of 66.57 kg and a hollow inner core to the Earth (and that Earth's inner core actually does represent hell), we could theoretically pack 1.14x10^20 bodies in there. Less, accounting for negative space. Needless to say, there's more than enough room in hell.
(Let me know if I forgot to carry a 1.)

 

[dad]

By my calculations, assuming an average human body mass of 66.57 kg and a hollow inner core to the Earth (and that Earth's inner core actually does represent hell), we could theoretically pack 1.14x10^20 bodies in there. Less, accounting for negative space. Needless to say, there's more than enough room in hell.
(Let me know if I forgot to carry a 1.)

How many per square mile?

 

[pgp_protector]

1) If people are thrown into Hell at the judgment seat.
2) If hell is a physical place
Then is Heaven a physical place now also ?
And if so, can one Get to Heaven with the correct type of spaceship ?

IF so what good is Jesus, if we can just get into a ship and shuttle people between Hell & Heaven ?

 

[Iron Sun 254]

"The fact that the Earth has a magnetic field is an independent piece of evidence for a molten, liquid core. A compass magnet aligns with the magnetic field anywhere on the Earth. The earth cannot be a large permanent magnet, since magnetic minerals lose their magnetism when they are hotter than about 500 degrees C. Almost all of the earth is hotter, and the only other way to make a magnetic field is with a circulating electric current."

No, because magnetic materials that are more than 10 miles underground keep their magnetism no matter how hot they get.

 

[grimbly]

No, because magnetic materials that are more than 10 miles underground keep their magnetism no matter how hot they get.

Don't think so. A simple google search: effect of pressure on curie point turned up this:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1940PhRv...58...54S

Abstract

By applying Clapeyron's equation, an estimate is made of the increase of the Curie point of nickel with pressure, which comes out of the order of magnitude of 5×10-5 degree per atmosphere. For iron-nickel alloys, the increase of Curie point with pressure would become less as more iron is added, becoming zero with something like 70 percent of nickel, and for the alloys containing more iron the Curie point would decrease with pressure. These magnitudes are such that it seems most unlikely that pressures existing in the iron-nickel core of the earth would raise the Curie point of the material enough so that it could be ferromagnetic at the temperatures existing inside the earth. This makes any ferromagnetic explanation of the magnetism of the earth most implausible.

 

[Iron Sun 254]

That doesn't prove anything. Thing's are different that far below the Earth's surface. The fact that there is a magnetic field proves I'm right.

 

[KerrMetric]

That doesn't prove anything. Thing's are different that far below the Earth's surface.

So the underlying solid state physics changes?

The fact that there is a magnetic field proves I'm right.

No it doesn't. The Earth's magnetic field is not due to permanent magnetism.

 

[grimbly]

That doesn't prove anything. Thing's are different that far below the Earth's surface. The fact that there is a magnetic field proves I'm right.

Erm, heat is heat and pressure is pressure, unless you are proposing some new magic that happens deep in the earth. You know there are such things as high pressure laboratories that do these types of testing all the time. And guess what, they can even apply heat at the same time ...imagine that.

So, no scientists are not making this stuff up and they have pretty well concluded that there are no permanent magnets buried in the earth. However if you have some technical papers that say differently and prove me wrong, I would sure like to see them so that I do not make the same mistake twice.

thank you

 

[Iron Sun 254]

So the underlying solid state physics changes?

Well, yeah. Isn't the premise of this whole thread the fact that we can pick and choose what science we want to use to prove our point and invent the rest as we go along?

If dad can use that argument, so can I.

And Hell is actually on the dark side of the Moon. It seems down because souls only travel there when the Moon is on the other side of the Earth, so they have to pass through the Earth to get there.