Earth Outer Core is Spiritual

[dad]

No, ALL dead went to Hades, regardless. Whether great or evil, all dead went to hades. Some sort of paradise was a latter addition, but the original thought for Hades, was a place for ALL dead.

In that case, it is a broad term. A general term that doesn't really detail where they souls actually went, which the bible does bring out quite clearly. You can call paradise of the past, part of hades if you like, because it was in the lower parts of the earth. In that case, it is like saying heaven and hell. Coincedentally, Jesus did visit both after death, paradise, and hell, so it fts like a glove. The evidence mounts.

 

[philadiddle]

I only read the OP, so hopefully i'm not repeating something.
Dad i have some questions. Why is it that science has theorized about what the earths core is based on our knowledge of minerals, thermaldynamics etc, but because they have no evidence you are going to assume they are wrong? You think the outer core is spiritual, based on what? If you have no evidence, by your own logic, doesn't that mean we should assume you are wrong?

 

[dad]

I only read the OP, so hopefully i'm not repeating something.
Dad i have some questions. Why is it that science has theorized about what the earths core is based on our knowledge of minerals, thermaldynamics etc, but because they have no evidence you are going to assume they are wrong?

Why is it I theorize, based also on all that, plus a known spiritual factor, and you assume it is wrong? It isn't the knowledge of inner core materials, thermodynamics, etc. of the merged core that science uses. It is the materials, etc on the surface, that they assume must also be down there!

You think the outer core is spiritual, based on what? If you have no evidence, by your own logic, doesn't that mean we should assume you are wrong?

I think it could be, based on several factors. We know the earth itself will be here forever, it is eternal, at least the interior. The surface of course will be burned with fire, and pass away, - as it now is, and will be made new, also in eternal form, at the end of the millenium. As it now is, the decaying earth we know cannot last forever, any more than the sun could as is.

Also, we know there are, from the bible, spirits down there somewhere.

Also, science doesn't really know. All evidence is indirect, and assumes the inner earth is as the surface.

Also, God Himself is coming to this earth to live forever, that makes it the center of the universe. Remember, we are very very special, and naturally different from the stars in the sky. In fact as you likely know, we were made before the stars or the sun. I do not assume that the stars or planets have the same makeup as inner earth.
Furthemore, I also assume that some of the materials that God used to create this earth, inside, may well be the same as materials He also used to build New Jerusalem. Gold, diamonds, rubys, topaz, emerald, etc etc etc. These are known materials used by the same Architect, in building eternal structures!!! Why not! So, yes, I have a very different idea of what the center could be like than what is taught in school.
And, finally, another possibly significant aside here. The earth may have been all in the eternal state in the days of Adam and Eve. How else could he live forever, without the earth decaying away, some billions of years in the future, out from under his feet!!!?

Notice that the GROUND was cursed. One interpretation of that might be the surface of the earth fell into some non eternal state then?? (Not sure about that one)

 

[gluadys]

No, ALL dead went to Hades, regardless. Whether great or evil, all dead went to hades. Some sort of paradise was a latter addition, but the original thought for Hades, was a place for ALL dead.

I think that to some extent we are being led off the track by the KJV translation of 'sheol' and 'hades' as "hell". The Hebrew and Greek terms simply don't mean what the English term now means. They simply mean the place of the dead. As Parmenio says, that means all the dead, not just the wicked.

Psalm 16:10 is an example of 'sheol' being translated as "hell". This is reputedly a Psalm of David and Peter refers to it in his Pentecost sermon, where he equates this "hell" with David being dead and buried in his tomb which any Jew of the time could visit. Romans 10:7 refers to the "deep" which in the Greek is the 'abyss' and Paul continues "to bring him up from the dead" again equating the deep with the place of the dead, not a place of the wicked. Acts 2: 31 is part of Peter's Pentecostal sermon and the Greek term here translated "hell" is Hades, used to translate the Hebrew Sheol--the place of the dead. Ephesians 4:9 refers to the "lower parts" of the earth. The Greek term is 'katotera' meaning "lower places".

As for the Apostles Creed, practically the same Greek word is used. He descended into the 'katotata'. Similarly the Latin uses 'ad inferna' (to the lower places). It is only the English that says "hell".

http://www.creeds.net/ancient/apostles.htm

Note that a modernized English translation says more correctly "to the dead".

It would appear that in all cases, the phrases that speak of Christ descending into the lower parts of the earth are simply euphemisms for saying that he died. If we understand this to be the meaning of "He descended into hell" I don't think any of us have any problems with it.

 

[dad]

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It would appear that in all cases, the phrases that speak of Christ descending into the lower parts of the earth are simply euphemisms for saying that he died. If we understand this to be the meaning of "He descended into hell" I don't think any of us have any problems with it.

False. If paradisw was down there as this thread posits, that moots the point. Because under the earth was a place for all the dead then! Ane we still have Jesus preaching to the spirits in hell, no need for interpra twisties!

 

[gluadys]

False. If paradisw was down there as this thread posits, that moots the point. Because under the earth was a place for all the dead then! Ane we still have Jesus preaching to the spirits in hell, no need for interpra twisties!

How does it moot the point? Are you saying that Jesus did not die? Did he not go to the place of the dead? How can Christ be risen from the dead if he did not die?

 

[dad]

How does it moot the point? Are you saying that Jesus did not die? Did he not go to the place of the dead? How can Christ be risen from the dead if he did not die?

Because if there were good and bad spirits down there, paradise and hell, then He could see the thief on the cross in paradise that day, and preach to the spirits in hell, or prison. Therefore your statement--
"simply euphemisms for saying that he died. If we understand this to be the meaning of "He descended into hell" I don't think any of us have any problems with it." Need not at all be true. He did go to the place of the dead, both good and bad, and preached to the folks in hell, especially, apparently to the ones that were wiped out in the flood.
I think it is pretty safe to say, that the Father was also in paradise under the earth to meet His son!! It all comes together like a symphony.
No need to try and say it was some sort of parable, tall tale, fable, or, in your case, euphemisms, that somehow mean He really didn't go to hell and preach, as indicated!
So why do it??

 

[gluadys]

No need to try and say it was some sort of parable, tall tale, fable, or, in your case, euphemisms, that somehow mean He really didn't go to hell and preach, as indicated!
So why do it??

But "hell" in the KJV is simply the place of the dead. It is not what medieval imagination turned it into--a place of fire and brimstone and sinners being tortured by demons.

Biblically, "hell" is not a part of hades/sheol. It is hades/sheol. It is the place of the dead--all the dead. That is what the original languages say. It is English that has changed the meaning of "hell" and then is reading our current meaning back into the original languages. That is bad exegesis.

 

[dad]

But "hell" in the KJV is simply the place of the dead. It is not what medieval imagination turned it into--a place of fire and brimstone and sinners being tortured by demons.

I am not really talking about medieval misconceptions here. The bible does explain there is a place under the earth. A prison, a hell. Like where the rich man went, wheras Lazarus went to another place. Then there is degrees of punishment and reward. For example, not all stars are the same, some will shine brighter than others. They that be wise shall be like that. Or, conversely, some shall, so to speak, be beaten with many stripes, or more punishment for some things, as Jesus said.
Even on earth, John the Baptist was called the least in the kingdom of heaven, bit greatest on earth. There are levels, degrees. Jesus, for example said, 'behold, one greater than Solomon is here'.
There are certain dark spirits that are princes, and such, while others may be more like pests. There is the prison, then there is the lake of fire, which is worse, apparently. Good or bad, there are levels, like the man that used his talents wisely, some got one city, some several to rule over. To some, He says, 'great is your reward in heaven' the bible elsewhere notes some shall be ashamed in heaven. Etc etc etc.
Jesus spoke to two dead people on the mountain. They were not just laying in the ground rotting, they were active. They were real. Jesus also tols the thief on the cross that He would be with Him that day in Paradise, not lay in a crypt. In Revelations, one time, one dead earth guy comes from heaven, and teaches John a few things. He said he was one of his 'fellowservants' -not an angel.

Biblically, "hell" is not a part of hades/sheol. It is hades/sheol. It is the place of the dead--all the dead.

That changes nothing at all, it simply uses the term in the broad sense to include paradise, and hell. And takes nothing away from the actual hell down there, that is a prison. They do stuff.

That is what the original languages say. It is English that has changed the meaning of "hell" and then is reading our current meaning back into the original languages. That is bad exegesis.

No!!! Not really, because the bible indicates a hell and a paradise, and spirits that are alive down there, good and evil. (The good place, I believe is now up, in New Jerusalem, that Jesus went to prepare for us)
Hell, in the commonly understood term does refer to a real place. The broad term, in Jesus, day, and before, refered to, it seems, not just that, but also paradise, all the dead, good and bad. It's that simple.