Genesis

[simplyg123]

The bible is Gods word, if i do not believe that, what do i believe, is their an untouched bible noone knows of?

i have faith in God, I am pretty sure he made sure his word would remain, even if that means they were changed. The holy spirit is our interpeter not the person that reads the bible.

 

[KerrMetric]

The bible is Gods word, if i do not believe that, what do i believe, is their an untouched bible noone knows of?

Believing the spiritual truth of the Bible is not the same as believing it is an almanac, encyclopaedia, science text, history text and Life for Dummies book.

Last time I checked it was written down by fallible men.

i have faith in God, I am pretty sure he made sure his word would remain, even if that means they were changed. The holy spirit is our interpeter not the person that reads the bible.

Isn't this oxymoronic?

 

[rmwilliamsll]

The holy spirit is our interpeter not the person that reads the bible.

that's nice.
does the H.S. give you propositional knowledge?
does He tell you that "this is my body" means that the Lord's supper is a memorial, that the body comes in through or under the bread and the wine, or that the words are literally true and the bread becomes the physical body of Christ?
only 1 can be a true interpretation (or none are right) how do you know which one?
and that is just 4 words of the Bible. what do they mean? where did you get your ideas about what they mean?
the H.S. uses means to communicate, what communities of interpretation of the Scriptures have you been part of, what do you listen to or read about the Scriptures? etc.
these all filter into your head and help you interpret the Scriptures. but your interpretation is nonetheless an interpretation of the Scriptures. even if you state that your's is the right one, direct from the H.S. you have to show why i ought to believe that you are in direct contact with God in this way.

in any case. what is in your head is not the text, but the meaning of the text to you, which is an interpretation not the text itself, which remains on the paper when you read it. it does not magically appear in your mind as a bare text but always part of a constellation of ideas from your language, your culture, your communities, your past thinking etc..

 

[KerrMetric]

The bible is Gods word, if i do not believe that, what do i believe,

See what you have done here.

You have painted yourself into the classic all or nothing theology that pervades literalists.

 

[pgp_protector]

Isn't everybody's opinion biased?

mine is not, i am very open minded, i am actually looking for facts or least soemthing to make since, i am believe in a young earth but only because the arguments make more since to me, truthfully i am undecided, and may very well change my mind, but too many things just dont add up

the truth is noone knows, the bible doesnt state that there was a gap in history, why would there be. Did God take a 4 billion year nap. i doubt it. The bible is pretty specific about the creation of the earth. When , i base my knowledge on the bible the inspired word of God, i trust it over any science book written by man in the flesh
...snip...

There is your bias right there. You even state both
1) Your're not biased
2) You base your knowledge on the Bible, over any science book

If #2 is true then #1 is a lie, as it is showing bias.
if #1 is true then #2 is being dishonist as you reject one over the other.

 

[simplyg123]

There is your bias right there. You even state both
1) Your're not biased
2) You base your knowledge on the Bible, over any science book

If #2 is true then #1 is a lie, as it is showing bias.
if #1 is true then #2 is being dishonist as you reject one over the other.

Jhn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

 

[Melethiel]

Jhn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

What is your reason for posting this verse? What does it have to do with the quoted post?

 

[pgp_protector]

Jhn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

So do you show bias or not ?

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Jhn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

fundamentally a poisoning the well argument.

if everyone except you can not hear God, then why are you spending time here rather than quietly talking to God? i suspect that this discussion is a waste of time compared to listening to God. If i had such a direct line to God, i would not be here, ever.

plus, if you alone can hear God, then why try to convince the heathen here who can not hear as you do, that you are right? there is no way for us to understand your position since we, unlike you, can not hear God speaking. Therefore time spent here is a waste of time, since there is no way to convince people who can not hear God concerning the things that God speaks to you about.

in both cases you are in the wrong place, talking to the wrong people, about the wrong topics, thus wasting your (and by extension) our time, since we can not understand what you have heard from God.

 

[simplyg123]

What is your reason for posting this verse? What does it have to do with the quoted post?

Honestly i do not know. What i know is God loved us so much, he came here as jesus to die for us, and I am greatful for that. If what you say is true, the bible is deceptive, false, and not Gods word.

According to most in this foroum the holy spirit does not guide us.

If the bible is so wrong, what exactly do you people believe, and where did you get your info

 

[simplyg123]

Got does not speak to me through sound but by way of understanding and guidance

 

[KerrMetric]

If i had such a direct line to God, i would not be here, ever.

Hah. Not true.

You'd be here to tell us "I told you so's" and stuff likee that - you couldn't resist it. I know I couldn't.

LOL!

 

[Melethiel]

If the bible is so wrong, what exactly do you people believe, and where did you get your info

Saying that the Bible is wrong and saying that the Bible is not a science book are two different things. Your problem is tying truth to fact, which is a very modern way of looking at things.

I think that the Bible is absolutely true. However, when I read Genesis, I do NOT get things like pseudo-science and the age of the earth. I get told that God created the earth, that man fell, that there was a Messiah prophecied, etc.

I believe that the Holy Spirit led me to my understanding of Genesis, among other things. You believe the Holy Spirit led you to yours. Who is correct?

 

[KerrMetric]

Got does not speak to me through sound but by way of understanding and guidance

Not an insult - but are you sure?

 

[rmwilliamsll]

According to most in this foroum the holy spirit does not guide us.

i've been specifically clear, i do not believe that the H.S. speaks to anyone in propositional truth or in words. i've never (afaik) said that He does not guide, especially if by guiding you mean the subtle direction in the use of means.
i argue with the term "hear" or "speaks to me" or like metaphors that imply continuing revelation of some sort.

 

[simplyg123]

Saying that the Bible is wrong and saying that the Bible is not a science book are two different things. Your problem is tying truth to fact, which is a very modern way of looking at things.

I think that the Bible is absolutely true. However, when I read Genesis, I do NOT get things like pseudo-science and the age of the earth. I get told that God created the earth, that man fell, that there was a Messiah prophecied, etc.

I believe that the Holy Spirit led me to my understanding of Genesis, among other things. You believe the Holy Spirit led you to yours. Who is correct?

i agree 100% but there is also a time basis there too, as in the fifth day , the sixth day ect...

yes the greek word could mean any period of time, or 24 hours, but there are places in the bible where the periods of time such as 1000 years is specific, why not specify if the greek word meant more the 1 day

 

[Melethiel]

i agree 100% but there is also a time basis there too, as in the fifth day , the sixth day ect...

yes the greek word could mean any period of time, or 24 hours, but there are places in the bible where the periods of time such as 1000 years is specific, why not specify if the greek word meant more the 1 day

1. It's Hebrew.
2. Genesis 1 could be a parable. Jesus seemed particularly fond of those.
3. 1000 years is a highly symbolic phrase.

 

[simplyg123]

1. It's Hebrew.
2. Genesis 1 could be a parable. Jesus seemed particularly fond of those.
3. 1000 years is a highly symbolic phrase.

sorry your right hebrew, ok very possible, but jesus wasnt around yet in the form of jesus, God allmighty did not use parables, to my knowledge, i could be wrong,

 

[Melethiel]

sorry your right hebrew, ok very possible, but jesus wasnt around yet in the form of jesus, God allmighty did not use parables, to my knowledge, i could be wrong,

Jesus is God, is He not? God does not change. In addition, the Son was eternally begotten, so was very much around.

 

[simplyg123]

yes he is God, But in the form of man, he talked like man, walked like man and spoke like man. God did these things as God not man