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What are the root causes of abortion?

What are the root causes of abortion?

  • Men

  • Poverty

  • Lack of chastity

  • Low self-esteem

  • Contraception fails.

  • Social Conditioning

  • Drug or Alcohol abuse

  • Promiscuity or Immorality

  • Sexual exploitation of women

  • Other


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Auntie

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I chose "Other".

The words that comes to my mind is "lack of knowledge". Total unawareness of the complete wonder and miracle of creating a new life. What could be more important? More glorious?

I was very young, very poor, and in a very bad way. But the life inside me meant hope for the future. And as it turned out, he would be the only child I would ever give birth to. How happy I am I didn't abort him. But I could have. My best friend was also pregnant, and she had decided to get an abortion. She pressured me to get an abortion also. I'm so glad I didn't.

He is now 36 years old. And he has given me a beautiful grand-daughter.
 
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In the day of the internet...I dont see why they cant get their info from there.

It would seem the focus for this thread has sifted from abortion in general to teen pregnancy and abortion. So in that vein I believe the reason most here, and the reason I specificly, support comprehensive sex education in schools is that it has been proven through multiple studies that it has a much higher success rate. If abstinence only education had better results, I would be in favor of it. The "let them find out themselves" which you seem to be advocating here (please correct me if I am wrong) strikes me as an excedingly ill concived plan.




So the Government should control what goes on in families?

No, but at least here in the states I believe a majority of parents want their children to have sex education. It might have changed but when I went through school parents could have their children opted out if the wished.
 
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I chose "Other".

The words that comes to my mind is "lack of knowledge". Total unawareness of the complete wonder and miracle of creating a new life. What could be more important? More glorious?

I was very young, very poor, and in a very bad way. But the life inside me meant hope for the future. And as it turned out, he would be the only child I would ever give birth to. How happy I am I didn't abort him. But I could have. My best friend was also pregnant, and she had decided to get an abortion. She pressured me to get an abortion also. I'm so glad I didn't.

He is now 36 years old. And he has given me a beautiful grand-daughter.


What a beautiful story. I am very happy for you.

I do not think many people ever contemplate not having another baby in the future when they chose to abort the one they are carrying. I was counseling a couple who were about to go into the clinic for an abortion and they changed their mind when I told them that there was no guarantee that they would have another baby later on. They wanted children in the future.
 
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Married woman have abortions too. And not all women chose it, some are the victims of rape. Should they be forced to carry their rapist's child?


All types of women have abortions - this is true. There are many reasons women choose to kill their unborn children but the devil is behind all of the decisions to kill.
Satan is a liar and abortion can only be justified by lies.

Women who are raped do "choose" to abort their babes, it is not a foregone neccessity. A baby conceived in rape is just as much a baby as any other and they are entitled to their life.
 
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.Satan is a liar and abortion can only be justified by lies.

The only one lying here is you.

Women who are raped do "choose" to abort their babes, it is not a foregone neccessity. A baby conceived in rape is just as much a baby as any other and they are entitled to their life.

And the woman is entitled to choice, unless you advocate raping her all over again by forcing her to carry out a pregnancy against her wishes.
 
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Strawman. That's nobody's attitude. Try "parents aren't, so schools must".
This was OT, but I hope you're not expecting a public school to take the role of a parent, that can and never will happen.

I chose "Other".

I was very young, very poor, and in a very bad way. But the life inside me meant hope for the future. And as it turned out, he would be the only child I would ever give birth to. How happy I am I didn't abort him. But I could have. My best friend was also pregnant, and she had decided to get an abortion. She pressured me to get an abortion also. I'm so glad I didn't.

He is now 36 years old. And he has given me a beautiful grand-daughter.

I'm glad things worked out for you.

Married woman have abortions too. And not all women chose it, some are the victims of rape. Should they be forced to carry their rapist's child?

I was addressing the over 95% of abortions that aren't cause by rape or incest.
 
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This was OT, but I hope you're not expecting a public school to take the role of a parent, that can and never will happen.
Actually, some would argue it already is. After all, these parents would argue, isn't it the parent's job to make sure the child
Gets an education
Is socialized (in whatever context you mean it)
Learns good manners
Learns conflict resolution
Eats well
Exercises
etc.?

What role does the public school system take that has not been fulfilled by parents before the pss existed? Parents hire the pss to do these jobs, but all to often now simply assume they are being done well until there's a problem. The #1 complaint I've heard from teachers is that parents will not get involved in their student's education. The parents have surrendered much of their role to the public schools.

Rachel
 
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Actually, some would argue it already is. After all, these parents would argue, isn't it the parent's job to make sure the child
Gets an education
Is socialized (in whatever context you mean it)
Learns good manners
Learns conflict resolution
Eats well
Exercises
etc.?

What role does the public school system take that has not been fulfilled by parents before the pss existed?

Public schools think of themselves now as "co-parents", their original job was just to teach children. The time spent in school has been static, teachers can't and shouldn't do all that.


Parents hire the pss to do these jobs, but all to often now simply assume they are being done well until there's a problem. The #1 complaint I've heard from teachers is that parents will not get involved in their student's education.

Most personality development occurs before the age of five, too late.

The parents have surrendered much of their role to the public schools.

Rachel

And often, there's only one parent in the picture.
 
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Public schools think of themselves now as "co-parents", their original job was just to teach children. The time spent in school has been static, teachers can't and shouldn't do all that.
If parents would do their jobs, most of the parenting issues in classes wouldn't be an issue there. Teachers are expected to teach way too much these days, imo.

Most personality development occurs before the age of five, too late.
Agreed. However, it seems that many parents expect just that from the pss.
And often, there's only one parent in the picture.
True. However, unless the other parent is dead, he/she is still accountable (before God if before no one else) to see to the raising of that child. Single parents have it rough, and I'll not disparage them. However, I will say that there are some of those, like all other segments of parents, who expect more from the pss than is right or is capable of fulfilling.

Rachel
 
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Unwanted pregnancy.
Unwanted pregnancy is the cause of abortions. What causes unwanted pregnancies? It seems to me that the answer to that question (and others like "what causes substance abuse which causes unprotected sex which causes unwanted pregnancy") would give you the root causes, which was the question.

Rachel
 
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Yes they do....



When used consistently and correctly, condoms are 98 percent effective in preventing pregnancy.



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), when used consistently and correctly, condoms reduce the risk of STDs, including Chlamydia.



In truth, HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, can be transmitted only through direct exchange of bodily fluids such as blood, sperm, vaginal secretions, or breast milk.



In truth, 97% of HIV cases are detectable by a test within three months of infection. 3 The CDC Hotline confirms that HIV cannot live in one's body undetectable for 10 years or longer.

This is just the tip of the iceberg - more at www.nonewmoney.org

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THIS is what abstinence only education is teaching kids- information that is simply NOT TRUE. We wouldn't accept teachers telling kids that Shakespeare was Norwegian or that the American Revolution took place in 1676...we shouldn't accept this either.
 
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Failiure of contraception, fear, age and so many other things contribute.

Though I can't understand first hand (as Ive never been in the situation) I can imagine how absolutely terrifying it would be to become pregnant as a teen, or unmarried adult.

Abortion is the "backspace" button we all so wish for in life. This is NOT to say that I am in favor of abortion as I am certainly not, just trying to think from a differing perspective :)
 
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well who ever does the abortion causes it. What leads up to a decision to abort is too many and too complicated. People make this decision either lightly or with great pain. No one can really know whats going on inside someones head and no one should judge anyone for it. But it will happen. God is bigger than us and understands where we are at and it has to be a personal choice for whoever. Who am I to come against someone who choses to do this. I sin, I am no better than anyone else.

cheers ;)
 
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Abortion happens because one of the partners does not get "fixed". I am married and dont want kids, and my wife can not have kids, but if she could I would get a vasectomy. And preventing STD's is as simple as getting tested. Also if your a guy and dont wants kids I would highly recommend a vasectomy because once you get a woman pregnant the ball is out of your court and if she keeps it you pay child support. I dont agree with abortion but I do agree with adoption and the mother should be on her own if she keeps it and the father wants to put it up for adoption, but thats not the way it is so its better to get fixed.
 
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We all do things regularily in which we are left wishing we had done something differently. I would hate for the people who make one of these choices to be lumped with those who regularily choose to do their own thing!
Aint that the truth!
 
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