Will the Beast offer immortality?

[icedtea]

From what I have read, yes! One of the 4 horsemen is death, accompanied by hades, meaning those who die go there.

 

[EturnaL]

Of course people die, but are they his followers (those who receive the mark)?

OU

Of course- must I remind you people cannot buy or sell without the mark? This will be a worldwide deception where "all who dwell on the earth" will follow this false leader (Rev 13:8).

Your idea cannot be true.

 

[Zadok7000]

I thought about this today. Obviously in the last days its clear there are signs, wonders and supernatural things going on (Rev 13, 2 Thess 2, Matt 24).

Now here is my question, if the Beast will deceive most of the world, its clear that people will think he is of God. They will be deceived into thinking his mark is God's mark, otherwise why would they take it or worship him for that matter?

So that brings me to the point of this thread. Will part of the supernatural signs and wonders include immortality for those who follow him? Now let me be clear, I'm talking about immortality of the body, not forgiveness of sins. They would still be dead to sin, spiritually.

Consider this verse:

"And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them." (Rev 9:6)

This verse does seem to indicate some sort of immortality for the wicked in those days.

It would be the complete opposite of what Christ did for us. Jesus came to save us spiritually not our flesh.

Will the Beast come to "save" the flesh yet the end result being eternal death for the soul in the lake of fire?

Your thoughts?

OU

I find this possibility compelling. At the least "promise" of it and healing of all diseases, etc. would convince many millions of his "divinity".

 

[Zadok7000]

The antichrist himself claims immortality because he receives a mortal wound and yet lives, so it would be no surprise if he offers his followers immortality if they worship him....

JesusWitness

Not to get off topic, but it is the 1st beast of Rev. 13 that receives the deadly wound, not the 2nd. The 1st beast is not the false christ but his government/system.

 

[OttawaUk]

I know those who take the Mark can still die, but will they die before Christ returns? I'm not convinced of this immortality idea but that verse in Rev 9 seemed to support this idea.

Perhaps like Zadok says, its the promise of immortality accompanied by healing of diseases which the Beast offers?

OU

 

[EturnaL]

Not to get off topic, but it is the 1st beast of Rev. 13 that receives the deadly wound, not the 2nd. The 1st beast is not the false christ but his government/system.

Wrong, the first beast is the character we refer to as "Antichrist"- and the second portion of Rev 13 describes the person we refer to as the "false prophet".

 

[EturnaL]

I know those who take the Mark can still die, but will they die before Christ returns? I'm not convinced of this immortality idea but that verse in Rev 9 seemed to support this idea.

Perhaps like Zadok says, its the promise of immortality accompanied by healing of diseases which the Beast offers?

OU

That could be a possiblity- since the deep rhelms of the Freemasonic cult (very satanic at it's roots)- offers it's deceived followers to the idea of immortality.

Certianly an idea that could come up- although I doubt it will be a main thrust necessarily at this point.

This idea is extremely extra-biblical at the best.

Do you suppose the battle of Ezekeil 38-39 happens during or before the trib period?

 

[Zadok7000]

Wrong, the first beast is the character we refer to as "Antichrist"- and the second portion of Rev 13 describes the person we refer to as the "false prophet".

Oy vey...
false prophet = false messiah = false christ

 

[OttawaUk]

That could be a possiblity- since the deep rhelms of the Freemasonic cult (very satanic at it's roots)- offers it's deceived followers to the idea of immortality.

Certianly an idea that could come up- although I doubt it will be a main thrust necessarily at this point.

This idea is extremely extra-biblical at the best.

Do you suppose the battle of Ezekeil 38-39 happens during or before the trib period?

I believe Ezekiel 38-39 happens before the Trib and before some sort of peace agreement.

Armageddon happens at the end of the Trib.

OU

 

[icedtea]

Some of us conspiracy theorists think there are cures about, but only the antichrist will reveal them, then he will be so worshipped for that!

 

[EturnaL]

Oy vey...
false prophet = false messiah = false christ

This is true, yet debatable.

But there are certianly 2 seperate figures- the Antichrist and the false prophet.

 

[Zadok7000]

This is true, yet debatable.

But there are certianly 2 seperate figures- the Antichrist and the false prophet.

That is what man has taught you, yes.
With apologies to the OP, were the beasts of Daniel individuals? No, they were kingdoms/governments/ political systems. The 1st beast of Rev. 13 is an amalgamation of these beasts (7 heads) - it too is a kingdom/system, not an individual. There are 10 horns/kings on this 1st beast, they are individuals. The false christ is the 2nd beast, he is very much an individual. The 1st beast is ridden by the harlot:
Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Not one individual, but multitudes/nations/tongues. IE a kingdom/government/political system. The anti (false) christ is the 2nd beast. It is the government that receives the deadly wound that Satan comes to heal.

 

[OttawaUk]

Yes you are correct about the First Beast being political and the second being the False Prophet.

This is how I interpret it. The Beast is the Satanic political system which rules over time. However, it does speak of individuals in many places. Revelation 17 reveals more details about the Beast.

Rev 17:9 reveals seven kingdoms.

"And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." (Rev 17:9)

The next verse reveals 7 leaders of those kingdoms.

"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." (Rev 17:10)

Rev 17:11 reveals one of the heads is of the seven, is not, and comes back.

"And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." (Rev 17:11)

Rev 17:12 shows the ten horns are also ten kings who get power under the Beast. My interpretation is that these 10 kings get power from the king spoken of in the previous verse who is, is not, and comes back again.

"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast." (Rev 17:12)

Plus you'll see that Babylon is actually destroyed by the Beast and the ten horns. They turn on her.

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled." (Rev 17:16-17)

Rev 17 adds alot of information to the Beast of Rev 13.

-So we have a king who is, is not, than is again. I understand this as the king whose image is also worshipped and promoted by the False Prophet in Rev 13. Also notice that Jesus throws two individuals named the Beast and False Prophet into the lake of fire when He returns. These cannot be kingdoms, rather they are people who are tormented.

-We have ten kings who as I understand it are associated with that specific beast king who is, is not and is again.

-Rev 13 and 19 reveals that we have a False Prophet doing signs and wonders in the sight of this beast. He also promotes the worship of an individual, not a kingdom.

-We also have Babylon who is turned on and destroyed by ten kings who are associated with the eighth beast king.

That's how I see it. Your thoughts?

OU

 

[icedtea]

Yes you are correct about the First Beast being political and the second being the False Prophet.

This is how I interpret it. The Beast is the Satanic political system whcih rules over time.

OU

Disagree. The beast places an image of himself that speaks. What does an image of a government look like or how can it speak?

 

[OttawaUk]

You're talking about that specific king or head of the Beast which was, is not, and is and I completely agree with you that it has to be a specific person who is worshipped.

What you quoted is where I'm talking about the Beast itself as a whole, not the specific heads.

I made an edit to clarify things in the post above.

OU

 

[Zadok7000]

Yes you are correct about the First Beast being political and the second being the False Prophet.

This is how I interpret it. The Beast is the Satanic political system which rules over time. However, it does speak of individuals in many places. Revelation 17 reveals more details about the Beast.

Rev 17:9 reveals seven kingdoms.

"And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." (Rev 17:9)

I see these 7 dominions as "all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time" (Satan's words in Luke 4) - IE "the time of the end". In other words, the 7 heads are the 7 continents which unite into a one-world government. Needless to say, I don't believe this has happened yet.

The next verse reveals 7 leaders of those kingdoms.

"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." (Rev 17:10)

Rev 17:11 reveals one of the heads is of the seven, is not, and comes back.

"And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." (Rev 17:11)

I believe these 7 kings (even the 8th) are all the same guy - Satan. My main support for this is Daniel 10 - the Prince of Persia, Prince of Grecia, being withheld by Michael, etc = Prince of the Power of the Air - just different periods of time. He was "Prince of Babylon", "Prince of Rome", and will be "king" of the final Beast government before and after its Deadly Wound. We know that no flesh man can live twice, so he must be a supernatural king.

Rev 17 adds alot of information to the Beast of Rev 13.

-So we have a king who is, is not, than is again. I understand this as the king whose image is also worshipped and promoted by the False Prophet in Rev 13. Also notice that Jesus throws two individuals named the Beast and False Prophet into the lake of fire when He returns. These cannot be kingdoms, rather they are people who are tormented.

-We have ten kings who as I understand it are associated with that specific beast king who is, is not and is again.

The 10 kings rule one hour with the beast - the hour of temptation (when satan is here). Rev. 17 though can be confusing because there are always 2 beasts being refered to. I don't believe Rev. 19:20 is talking about 2 individuals - again, the same 2 beasts; the government and the false christ - satan is not allowed to use those things anymore to deceive once the Lord returns.

I'm sure I'll get some "interesting" comments as usual...

 

[icedtea]

Interesting....
Doesn't the false prophet try and put the beast in the spotlight?

 

[Zadok7000]

Interesting....

Why I oughta...

Doesn't the false prophet try and put the beast in the spotlight?

He pimps his own system, sure.
Whether you serve him politically or religiously, you're still serving him. Worshiping him is what he desires.

 

[icedtea]

Doesn't satan possess the beast? How can he possess a political system?

 

[Zadok7000]

Doesn't satan possess the beast? How can he possess a political system?

He doesn't possess anyone. The system is the system. The false prophet/messiah is satan de facto.