Mount Ararat is 17,000 ft high and it is where the Ark came to rest after the flood.

[KerrMetric]

Oh and of course there would be a change in the position of the poles too which also would have a bearing. Now if you think that I have the resources to involve myself in scientific research of the magnitude of what is being discussed here then you are virtually saying that a single person is able to replace all of the scientific research of many scientists for the past 200 years. Quite frankly I did not think so highly of my own abilities as that nor do I have personal riches sufficient to carry it out..

Cop out alert. And totally misrepresenting what is required so as to make the cop out seem reasonable.

 

[KerrMetric]

If somebody with high school level of science please tell cheese how the position of the earth's CoG will affect the distribution of water on its surface.

No - you show us. Try some plugging in numbers yourself.

It seems that if he sees anything I post he would think it was wrong.

Gosh darn! I wonder how that stereotype occurred?

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

Oh and of course there would be a change in the position of the poles too which also would have a bearing. Now if you think that I have the resources to involve myself in scientific research of the magnitude of what is being discussed here then you are virtually saying that a single person is able to replace all of the scientific research of many scientists for the past 200 years. Quite frankly I did not think so highly of my own abilities as that nor do I have personal riches sufficient to carry it out..

No these are simple mathematical calculations that can easily be done on any computer capable of accessing the current internet.

The question stands, how is the center of gravity of the earth even related to the question of changing radii of certain mass elements relative to the center of gravity of the earth considering that the changes are considered to be global and not local?

 

[A4C]

The other fact?

There's a problem with your little scheme of reducing the height of the earth's mountains above sea level by shifting the center of gravity. Get yourself a globe, and find the Himalayas. Now go to the other side, and rather near their exact antipodes you'll find... the Andes mountain range. Peaks higher than 22000 feet. Get the picture?

It is hardly "scientic" to say when you are considering the matter of the position of the earths CoG to pick up a globe and say "oh look here is a mountain opposite that one -well that will cancel that one out --oh look here's is one that doesn't have one ........" ridiculus
There is another consideration too -the position of the poles . You cannot say this is not applicable when you consider that even an event as "small" as the Asian tsunami altered the poles position slightly.

 

[KerrMetric]

Does anyone on here actually take any of this A4C stuff seriously? Notice how he will never provide a quanitative estimate of his claims? It's all bluster.

The thing is a quantitative estimate should take him all of about 2 or 3 lines of algebra and then plug in some numbers. I wonder why he doesn't? Could it be he has no clue on how to integrate or solve simple algebraic relations from gravitational potential theory?

 

[trivista]

It is hardly "scientic" to say when you are considering the matter of the position of the earths CoG to pick up a globe and say "oh look here is a mountain opposite that one -well that will cancel that one out --oh look here's is one that doesn't have one ........" ridiculus
There is another consideration too -the position of the poles . You cannot say this is not applicable when you consider that even an event as "small" as the Asian tsunami altered the poles position slightly.

Chao and Gross have been routinely calculating earthquakes' effects in changing the Earth's rotation in both length-of-day as well as changes in Earth's gravitational field. They also study changes in polar motion that is shifting the North Pole. The "mean North pole" was shifted by about 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) in the direction of 145º East Longitude. This shift east is continuing a long-term seismic trend identified in previous studies.

They also found the earthquake decreased the length of day by 2.68 microseconds. Physically this is like a spinning skater drawing arms closer to the body resulting in a faster spin. The quake also affected the Earth's shape. They found Earth's oblateness (flattening on the top and bulging at the equator) decreased by a small amount. It decreased about one part in 10 billion, continuing the trend of earthquakes making Earth less oblate.

To make a comparison about the mass that was shifted as a result of the earthquake, and how it affected the Earth, Chao compares it to the great Three-Gorge reservoir of China. If filled the gorge would hold 40 cubic kilometers (10 trillion gallons) of water. That shift of mass would increase the length of day by only 0.06 microseconds and make the Earth only very slightly more round in the middle and flat on the top. It would shift the pole position by about two centimeters (0.8 inch).

From

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/jan/HQ_05011_earthquake.html

 

[A4C]

Chao and Gross have been routinely calculating earthquakes' effects in changing the Earth's rotation in both length-of-day as well as changes in Earth's gravitational field. They also study changes in polar motion that is shifting the North Pole. The "mean North pole" was shifted by about 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) in the direction of 145º East Longitude. This shift east is continuing a long-term seismic trend identified in previous studies.

They also found the earthquake decreased the length of day by 2.68 microseconds. Physically this is like a spinning skater drawing arms closer to the body resulting in a faster spin. The quake also affected the Earth's shape. They found Earth's oblateness (flattening on the top and bulging at the equator) decreased by a small amount. It decreased about one part in 10 billion, continuing the trend of earthquakes making Earth less oblate.

To make a comparison about the mass that was shifted as a result of the earthquake, and how it affected the Earth, Chao compares it to the great Three-Gorge reservoir of China. If filled the gorge would hold 40 cubic kilometers (10 trillion gallons) of water. That shift of mass would increase the length of day by only 0.06 microseconds and make the Earth only very slightly more round in the middle and flat on the top. It would shift the pole position by about two centimeters (0.8 inch).

From

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/jan/HQ_05011_earthquake.html

Thanks for that real scientific detail It is appreciated. It might help us all understand that when all of the soil coverage that once covered high mountains ends up much closser to the earths centre sometimes up to 9 kilometres under the crust -you begin to think that there might be something in what I am saying -Yer ?(and I never even mentioned the change in time -the rate of earth's rotation)
Was the Flood significent? - I would say so
Should it be ignored by scientists? -I would say not

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

It is hardly "scientic" to say when you are considering the matter of the position of the earths CoG to pick up a globe and say "oh look here is a mountain opposite that one -well that will cancel that one out --oh look here's is one that doesn't have one ........" ridiculus
There is another consideration too -the position of the poles . You cannot say this is not applicable when you consider that even an event as "small" as the Asian tsunami altered the poles position slightly.

$.50 and a clue, and maybe a cuppa to boot. Many of us here know how to calculate the CoG and how it will generally affect the earth, what we don't know is how your hypothesis is relevant to the discussion.

It is your hypothesis, how does your scenario affect or not affect the center of gravity?

As others have said, time to do a mass balance. We need at least a first order approximation to even continue with this idea!

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

Thanks for that real scientific detail It is appreciated. It might help us all understand that when all of the soil coverage that once covered high mountains ends up much closser to the earths centre sometimes up to 9 kilometres under the crust -you begin to think that there might be something in what I am saying -Yer ?(and I never even mentioned the change in time -the rate of earth's rotation)
Was the Flood significent? - I would say so
Should it be ignored by scientists? -I would say not

Would the rotational rate change ever so slightly yes, but this has nothing to do with your creating a global flood or mitigating the results.

Show us something as to how this has to do with your hypothesis, and how it can account for a flood and current reality.

Moving masses could change a CoG but you have done nothing to demonstrate why we should even consider this possibility.

 

[A4C]

$.50 and a clue, and maybe a cuppa to boot. Many of us here know how to calculate the CoG and how it will generally affect the earth, what we don't know is how your hypothesis is relevant to the discussion.

It is your hypothesis, how does your scenario affect or not affect the center of gravity?

As others have said, time to do a mass balance. We need at least a first order approximation to even continue with this idea!

Well the first step is to find out how much global sub terrain sedimentation there is and that will give you some idea how much "extra" water there was contributed by the flood.

 

[A4C]

Would the rotational rate change ever so slightly yes, but this has nothing to do with your creating a global flood or mitigating the results.

Show us something as to how this has to do with your hypothesis, and how it can account for a flood and current reality.

Moving masses could change a CoG but you have done nothing to demonstrate why we should even consider this possibility.

The reality in connection with he Flood is that if there was a shift in CoG there would be a corresponding change in how much water it would take to cover Mt Everest. Now this could be more or less depending what way the shift went.

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

The reality in connection with he Flood is that if there was a shift in CoG there would be a corresponding change in how much water it would take to cover Mt Everest. Now this could be more or less depending what way the shift went.

As has already been pointed out to you, there is another mountian range on the other side, so a shift of CoG does not help your position.

You are claiming a global flood, explain the significance of a shift of CoG and how it must occur or admit you are just barking out ...

 

[A4C]

As has already been pointed out to you, there is another mountian range on the other side, so a shift of CoG does not help your position.

You are claiming a global flood, explain the significance of a shift of CoG and how it must occur or admit you are just barking out ...

And as has already been pointed out - rather unscientific approach is it not without considering any other factors except that they are both "mountain ranges"

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

And as has already been pointed out - rather unscientific approach is it not without considering any other factors except that they are both "mountain ranges"

IE, you have no idea what the Center of Gravity has to do with anything and even less how to calculate it.

Demonstrate that I am wrong or I will assume that you just read this on some creo website and parroted it back.

If you have any idea what I am talking about you will be able to address the potential situation, I rather doubt your do.

ABE: Notto's motto, You are a great creationist!

 

[KerrMetric]

I predict some ignores coming on soon.

 

[A4C]

I would believe that there are computer models that can show effects of pole position , centre of gravity , and the rotation speed of our planet (well if there is not I would suggest there could be) All that would be needed is to input the mass distribution of the planet. What I am suggesting is that such a program could provide the finite knowledge of the phenomenon of a global flood. Does anybody know if such a program has been set up to do this type of research and which is not antagonistic towards YEC research. If so I would be willing to contribute to it.?

 

[crimsondeath]

c+++++

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

I predict some ignores coming on soon.

Why, because he proposed something that could be tested mathematically based on standard values for density and basic physical concepts dating to Newton? Didn't you hear, his opinion is that it is not scientific till it can be nailed down to the last goalpost.

Kerr, I am not a christian, so this is no skin off my back, but my condolences on your situation. As an agnostic, I would like to find a reason to believe in god but to paraphrase Ghandi I think; The ideas of your Christ I like, your Christians, I could do without.

Sorry

Cheese.

 

[fasteddy]

I would believe that there are computer models that can show effects of pole position , centre of gravity , and the rotation speed of our planet (well if there is not I would suggest there could be) All that would be needed is to input the mass distribution of the planet. What I am suggesting is that such a program could provide the finite knowledge of the phenomenon of a global flood. Does anybody know if such a program has been set up to do this type of research?

You have got to be making all of this up....
what are you trying to do?
as the man said, you cannot be serious.

 

[crimsondeath]

welcome to the forum fasteddy. isn't that a restaurant?