What is the pillar and foundation of truth?

[TheListener]

What is the pillar and foundation of truth?

1 Timothy 3:15

if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.


Comments?

 

[Asinner]

The Orthodox Church.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

The household of God, the oikos, the family - us.

We are to uphold the Truth as revealed to us in God's Holy Word, which is (according to my RCIA class) "The Word of God - and no greater assurance of credibility could be given." "The books of the Bible are inspired by God. What exactly does this mean? It means that God is the Author. God caused the penmen to write as He wished and guided them to do so without error."


I realize some individuals (persons, congregations, denominations) self claim that they are the Truth, infallible, unaccountable and the sole arbiter for everything related to the Truth. I don't think so.


I believe that only people can be Christians. I believe that all Christians are people. I do not believe that any institution, denomination, legal or political entity can have faith or know the truth - much less be a "pillar and foundation" so I reject the claims of a few denominations that self-claim this for themself, their own institution or denomination (or group thereof).


Thank you!


Pax


- Josiah

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Oops, double post

 

[ThisRock]

The household of God, the oikos, the family - us.

We are to uphold the Truth as revealed to us in God's Holy Word, which is (according to my RCIA class) "The Word of God - and no greater assurance of credibility could be given." "The books of the Bible are inspired by God. What exactly does this mean? It means that God is the Author. God caused the penmen to write as He wished and guided them to do so without error."


I realize some individuals (persons, congregations, denominations) self claim that they are the Truth, infallible, unaccountable and the sole arbiter for everything related to the Truth. I don't think so.


I believe that only people can be Christians. I believe that all Christians are people. I do not believe that any institution, denomination, legal or political entity can have faith or know the truth - much less be a "pillar and foundation" so I reject the claims of a few denominations that self-claim this for themself, their own institution or denomination (or group thereof).


Thank you!


Pax


- Josiah

"Oikos" doesn't mean family, it means "house" or "household" or "home" or "temple", meaning "the household of God". The structure of the passage states then, that the "ekklesia" is the household of God. And the verse states very clearly that the "ekklesia" or "church" is the "pillar and foundation of the truth".

If one actually reads 1 Timothy, one can easily see the subject is directly and undisputedly the actual church, not some amorphous, feel-good idea of a worldwide christian family. The letter is about correct doctrine and church organization, especially that particular chapter.
The chapter does NOT refer to scripture. Nothing previous to that passage would give anyone the idea that Paul is speaking of anything but the Church---let alone scripture. Perhaps you are thinking of 2 Timothy 3:15.

Let us endeavor to read books of the bible in their entirety! Don't cut out passages and make them fit what you happen to believe at the moment. When you read the bible, remember that the numbering system for passages is a later invention. Read the entire letter. Read it and wake from your slumber in the verse-slapping comfort zone.

 

[hoser]

What is the pillar and foundation of truth?

1 Timothy 3:15

if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.


Comments?

The pillar and foundation of truth is well, what the Bible says... The Church.

The Catholic Church.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

The pillar and foundation of truth is well, what the Bible says... The Church.

The Catholic Church.

You put the word "Catholic" (capitol "C"????) into the text. God did not. I think there's a difference.

 

[TheListener]

You put the word "Catholic" (capitol "C"????) into the text. God did not. I think there's a difference.

There is the Catholic Church and splinters off the Catholic Church.

 

[Assisi]

The Church.

Thank You God for the gift of your beautiful Church!

 

[SalveRegina]

What is the pillar and foundation of truth?

1 Timothy 3:15

if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.


Comments?

The One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

The One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church

Amen.

May the Lord richly bless you and give you peace for many years.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

The One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church

Not any denominational institution - including the ones associated with the Pope.

The church IS one.
One means one.
Not should be one.
Not was one.
Not our denominaiton is one.
Not 10,000 congregations but considered one.


The church IS holy.
Forgiven. Washed clean by the blood of the Lamb.
Only people can be forgiven.
Only people can have faith.
The church is forgiven, believing people.
Not a denomination.


The church is catholic.
It embrace ALL Christians.
Whole
Complete
Universal
Without separations of congregations, parishes, synods, denominationa, rites.


My perspective.


Thank you.


Pax!


- Josiah



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[Lynn73]

What is the pillar and foundation of truth?

1 Timothy 3:15

if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.


Comments?

Christ's church is the pillar and ground of truth but we disagree as to what that is, don't we. And what the verse means. What it isn't saying is that the church (all Christians) is the truth. The church is to uphold the truth and be grounded in it. What's the truth? Christ and the word of God. Any church, no matter what their claim, that doesn't do this isn't the pillar and ground of truth. It can't be if it isn't teaching the truth. Not that we all agree on what the truth is, either. People try to use this verse to put the focus on their particular church and say that they can't be wrong. That's not what the verse is teaching at all. The focus isn't on the church, but the truth which it's supposed to uphold.

 

[racer]

"Oikos" doesn't mean family, it means "house" or "household" or "home" or "temple", meaning "the household of God".

Is it the building that makes a household a household, or the people in it? Webster says:

Main Entry: 1house·hold ​

Pronunciation: 'haus-"hOld, 'hau-"sOld​

Function: noun​

: those who dwell under the same roof and compose a family; also : a social unit composed of those living together in the same dwelling ​

So, household, does mean family. We are the household of God, not the buildings in which we worship him.

The structure of the passage states then, that the "ekklesia" is the household of God. And the verse states very clearly that the "ekklesia" or "church" is the "pillar and foundation of the truth".

I agree. But I think what we disagree on is what "Pillar and foundatiion" means. You may say that it means the church has authority to interpret it. I understand it to say that the Church is the protecter, preserver, and upholder of the Truth given to us in the Bible.

For instance, you may lay the foundation of your home before you build the house, but does the foundation you pour determine the house you'll build, or does the house you wish to build determine the foundation you will pour?

If one actually reads 1 Timothy, one can easily see the subject is directly and undisputedly the actual church, not some amorphous, feel-good idea of a worldwide christian family.

Huh? So, Christianity is not a worldwide faith?

The letter is about correct doctrine and church organization, especially that particular chapter.

Yes, Paul wrote his instructions to them so that they would know how to conduct themselves in the (c)hurch.

The chapter does NOT refer to scripture. Nothing previous to that passage would give anyone the idea that Paul is speaking of anything but the Church---let alone scripture. Perhaps you are thinking of 2 Timothy 3:15.

I don't think anybody was saying that the passage quoted in the OP was addressing Scripture . . . . .

Let us endeavor to read books of the bible in their entirety! Don't cut out passages and make them fit what you happen to believe at the moment. When you read the bible, remember that the numbering system for passages is a later invention. Read the entire letter. Read it and wake from your slumber in the verse-slapping comfort zone.

Again, I think you've misunderstood someone, there have been no misapplications of Scripture here.

 

[Asinner]

Nice to have you back, Racer, and discussing Theology. I take it this means you are feeling better?

God Bless

 

[racer]

Nice to have you back, Racer, and discussing Theology. I take it this means you are feeling better?

God Bless

Just couldn't help myself. :o My pain's really not better, I'm just tired of letting is control me.



God bless!

 

[Asinner]

Praying . . . It is nice to have your input.

God Bless

 

[lionroar0]

Raceerrrr!!!!!!




Peace

 

[Asinner]

Racer has a fan club.

 

[lionroar0]

Racer has a fan club.

Peace