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Beloved brethren,
Here is a scenario of what could be the end of American Independence.

Dan 11:20¶Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes [in] the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.


There will be a new president elected in 2008 and it appears he will be Barack Obama

Obama's Profile Has Democrats Taking Notice

Popular Senator Is Mentioned as 2008 Contender


By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, June 18, 2006; Page A01

EAST ORANGE, N.J. -- Barack Obama was standing before a packed high school auditorium when he noticed a familiar face in the crowd -- none other than singer Dionne Warwick. He paused, flashed a mischievous smile, then let loose with a perfectly on-key performance of the opening line of her hit song "Walk On By."
The audience of 300 students and adults roared with approval.


I think he will raise taxes in 2009 to pay for war in IRAQ and needed social programs.
There will be a violant conservative back lash in 2010.

Because our troops and National Guard are busy in Iraq, The UN DEPARTMENT OF PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS - DPKO
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"United Nations Peacekeeping, In the service of Peace"[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]will be called in to enforce Martial Law. The citizens wont like it but there will be nothing they can do.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Dan 11:21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thats how it looks to me so far. We will just have to watch and see.[/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

[SIZE=-1]With love in Christ[/SIZE]
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Obama has no chance of being president in 2008 (no money or presidential PAC). He could end up on the democratic ticket, though.

I personally feel Clinton was Dan 11:20.

Beloved,
The INTERNATIONAL Rothschild money is behind Obama.
Now dubbed "an instant Democratic superstar," first-term U.S. Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois was invited as a major guest for a fund-raising effort at the Washington


Jet, April 3, 2006

Now dubbed "an instant Democratic superstar," first-term U.S. Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois was invited as a major guest for a fund-raising effort at the Washington home of California Sen. Dianne Feinstein...

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Obama has no chance of being president in 2008 (no money or presidential PAC). He could end up on the democratic ticket, though.

I personally feel Clinton was Dan 11:20.

Beloved brother Micahyah,
It would seem that Clinton could not have been the raiser of taxes because he was not destroyed.

Dan 11:20¶Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes [in] the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.

As to Obama having "no money",everything indicates that big money has FIXED his media position and he is the NEW WORLD ORDER MAN, in link with the UN.

Here is his fundraising committee
http://www.hopefundamerica.com/

Obama's financial success is due in large part to his image as a rising star among national Democrats. He has been profiled in national magazines, and his candidacy has been buoyed by liberal newspaper columnists, who have broadly praised Obama's credentials, oratorical skills and personal charm.

That glowing media coverage has created a buzz around Obama's candidacy among big-name donors and Democratic politicians. Rushing to back Obama have been billionaire investor George Soros and U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.). Both hosted Obama fund-raisers in their homes.

I would like to make it clear that, I see Obama as much a part of the anti christ, New World Order as, "The King of the North" George Bush.



(02-21) 17:48 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --
Barack Obama is showing a Midas touch in his first year in Congress. He's already a best-selling author, a Grammy Award winner and an important fundraiser for fellow Democrats.


Altogether, the freshman senator from Illinois has helped raise $6.5 million for his political action committee and other Democratic candidates, party committees and state parties from New Jersey to Virginia to Florida.

He brought in about $800,000 with an e-mail message sent out on MoveOn.org on behalf of Sen. Robert C. Byrd, D-W.Va., who at age 88 is seeking a ninth term in office.

Obama to bring his star power to the Mountain State
by Jake Stump
Daily Mail Staff



To many West Virginia Democrats, Sen. Barack Obama is not a rising star -- he's already a star. Tickets to this year's Jefferson Jackson Dinner, featuring the Illinois senator as its main speaker, sold out several weeks ago. The West Virginia Democratic Party sold 2,024 tickets at $75 each to Saturday's event at the Charleston Civic Center.

And here is Obama with a Republican style fundraiser

Anyone wanting to meet Obama up close will have another chance before the Jefferson Jackson Dinner at a Byrd campaign fundraiser. Ned Rose, chairman of the Friends of Robert C. Byrd Committee, and his wife, Barbara, are hosting a private fundraiser at their 4 Wildacre Road house from 1:30 to 3 p.m. Couples can attend for $5,000 to meet with Obama and Byrd.

Obama says
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"I am a Christian," "So, I have a deep faith," Obama continues. "I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.

"That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."

It's perhaps an unlikely theological position for someone who places his faith squarely at the feet of Jesus to take, saying essentially that all people of faith -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone -- know the same God.

Obama's theological point of view was shaped by his uniquely multicultural upbringing. He was born in 1961 in Hawaii to a white mother who came from Protestant Midwestern stock and a black African father who hailed from the Luo tribe of Kenya.

Obama describes his father, after whom he is named, as "agnostic." His paternal grandfather was a Muslim. His mother, he says, was a Christian.

"My mother, who I think had as much influence on my values as anybody, was not someone who wore her religion on her sleeve," he says. "We'd go to church for Easter. She wasn't a 'church lady.' "

In his 1993 memoir, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance, Obama describes his mother as "a lonely witness for secular humanism."

This is where I see Obamas connection to the elite, anti-Christ humanism of the UN.

"My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess, a faith that she would refuse to describe as religious; that, in fact, her experience told her was sacrilegious: a faith that rational, thoughtful people could shape their own destiny," he says in the book.

When he was 6 years old, after his parents divorced, Obama moved with his mother and her new husband -- a non-practicing Muslim -- to Indonesia, where he lived until he was 10 and attended a Roman Catholic school.
"I went to a Catholic school in a Muslim country, so I was studying the Bible and catechisms by day, and, at night, you'd hear the [Muslim] prayer call," Obama recalls.

"My mother was a deeply spiritual person and would spend a lot of time talking about values and give me books about the world's religions and talk to me about them.

"Her view always was that underlying these religions was a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself, but also for the greater good."

Still, Obama is unapologetic in saying he has a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." As a sign of that relationship, he says, he walked down the aisle of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ in response to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's altar call one Sunday morning about 16 years ago.

I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.
So how did he become a churchgoer?

It began in 1985, when he came to Chicago as a $13,000-a-year community organizer, working with a number of African-American churches in the Roseland, West Pullman and Altgeld Gardens neighborhoods that were trying to deal with the devastation caused by shuttered steel plants.

"I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and its importance in the community. And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply."

Obama says he reads the Bible, though not as regularly as he'd like, now that he's on the campaign trail. But he does find time to pray.
"It's not formal, me getting on my knees," he says. "I think I have an ongoing conversation with God.... I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why I am doing it.
"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."
Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says. of Obama. "Faith is key to his life, no question about it. [It is] central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father.... I don't think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is."

Another person Obama says he seeks out for spiritual counsel is state Sen. James Meeks, who is also the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church. The day after Obama won the primary in March, he stopped by Salem for Wednesday-night Bible study.
"I know that he's a person of prayer," Meeks says. "The night after the election, he was the hottest thing going from Galesburg to Rockford. He did all the TV shows, and all the morning news, but his last stop at night was for church. He came by to say thank you, and he came by for prayer."

"The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that [if] people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell."

Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell.
But he's not sure if he'll be going to heaven, either. "I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die,"
http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/spirit/cst-nws-spirit05.html

I will keep praying for Obama because, He could easely follow Satans plane of secular humanism which is good works without faith in the word of God.

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Beloved brethren,
Here is a scenario of what could be the end of American Independence.

Dan 11:20¶Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes [in] the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.


There will be a new president elected in 2008 and it appears he will be Barack Obama.

If verse 20 refers to Obama, what do you think will happen to President Bush in verse 19?

In Christ,

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Thank you for all this information!

Whoever the next president is, they will have to raise taxes, in order to keep the country's head above water.

Beloved brothers and sisters,

President Bush is to go down in infamy. When brother Acts6:5 asked what I thought would happento George W. Bush, I prayed and the answer seemed to be a mental hopital for brain damage.
http://www.willthomas.net/911/Bush/


Yes, taxes will have to be raised as it is Satan who has designed the whole credit system and most of us are still caught in it.
Consider this.
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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The Outstanding Public Debt as of 21 Sep 2006 at 03:38:29 PM GMT is:[/FONT]
debtiv.gif

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The estimated population of the United States is 299,546,015[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]so each citizen's share of this debt is $28,376.79. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The National Debt has continued to increase an average of[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]$1.59 billion per day since September 30, 2005![/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Concerned? Then tell Congress and the White House! [/FONT]

Who do we owe that debt to? The privite Rothschild banking family that controls all the central banks in the world except 5, Cuba, Libya, North Korea, and Iraq.

This is the family that financed forming the American Revolution, French Revolution,Russian Revolution, "League of Nations and Israel.

If you are interested here is an indepth timeline of that family http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

I only became aware of Barack Obama a few days ago and do not consider him a bad or evil person but, I do feel he is decieved in a way many who use this forum are, as Christians who support "Secular Humanism" as taught by the Jesuits, Free Masons and secular Jews.

As Jesus said, you cannot serve two masters. In order to be in politics a person must cut a deal with the Lord of this World who is Satan. You must be double minded.

When you are handsome, intelligent and popular as Obama is, its hard to withstand the flatterers of this world and neglect the gospel message, because you are convinced that the work you are doing is for the good of the needy.

Jesus was tempted to go that way and resisted, rebuking Satan.

I see that Obama has been cultivated from a child to be a global, interfaith political leader, with Islamac, Protestant and Roman Catholic connections.

If he is to be the raiser of Taxes in Daniel 11, then he will have a short fast political career and through him control of a divided and bankrupt United States will come under UN mandated military control to insure business as usuel for the collection of debt by the international bankers.

The flattering person appointed to that position will be the "Son of perdition, called by many,"The Anti-Christ".

With him will come the New electronic transaction system and MARK OF THE BEAST, which Christians, who are in fact secular humanists, will accept denying it is the MARK, because it is the Law.
This could come about as early as 2010, but not much later than that

With love in Christ
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Beloved brothers and sisters,

President Bush is to go down in infamy. When brother Acts6:5 asked what I thought would happento George W. Bush, I prayed and the answer seemed to be a mental hopital for brain damage.
http://www.willthomas.net/911/Bush/


Yes, taxes will have to be raised as it is Satan who has designed the whole credit system and most of us are still caught in it.
Consider this.
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+3]U.S. N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+2]ATIONAL[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+3]D[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+2]EBT[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+3]C[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+2]LOCK[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The Outstanding Public Debt as of 21 Sep 2006 at 03:38:29 PM GMT is:[/FONT]
debtiv.gif

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The estimated population of the United States is 299,546,015[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]so each citizen's share of this debt is $28,376.79. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The National Debt has continued to increase an average of[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]$1.59 billion per day since September 30, 2005![/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Concerned? Then tell Congress and the White House! [/FONT]

Who do we owe that debt to? The privite Rothschild banking family that controls all the central banks in the world except 5, Cuba, Libya, North Korea, and Iraq.

This is the family that financed forming the American Revolution, French Revolution,Russian Revolution, "League of Nations and Israel.

If you are interested here is an indepth timeline of that family http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

I only became aware of Barack Obama a few days ago and do not consider him a bad or evil person but, I do feel he is decieved in a way many who use this forum are, as Christians who support "Secular Humanism" as taught by the Jesuits, Free Masons and secular Jews.

As Jesus said, you cannot serve two masters. In order to be in politics a person must cut a deal with the Lord of this World who is Satan. You must be double minded.

When you are handsome, intelligent and popular as Obama is, its hard to withstand the flatterers of this world and neglect the gospel message, because you are convinced that the work you are doing is for the good of the needy.

Jesus was tempted to go that way and resisted, rebuking Satan.

I see that Obama has been cultivated from a child to be a global, interfaith political leader, with Islamac, Protestant and Roman Catholic connections.

If he is to be the raiser of Taxes in Daniel 11, then he will have a short fast political career and through him control of a divided and bankrupt United States will come under UN mandated military control to insure business as usuel for the collection of debt by the international bankers.

The flattering person appointed to that position will be the "Son of perdition, called by many,"The Anti-Christ".

With him will come the New electronic transaction system and MARK OF THE BEAST, which Christians, who are in fact secular humanists, will accept denying it is the MARK, because it is the Law.
This could come about as early as 2010, but not much later than that

With love in Christ
brother daniel
Before considering Daniel 11 one must look at the Diadochi kingdoms. Maccabes and Josephus are essential reading.

http://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlines/dan/dan_11.htm
 
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Before considering Daniel 11 one must look at the Diadochi kingdoms. Maccabes and Josephus are essential reading.

http://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlines/dan/dan_11.htm

Beloved gwnedd,
I have read Barnes commentary of Daniel in the past.
Its an old book published in 1853.

His CONCLUSION

1. We have seen that "The Vision Of The Time Of The End" describes
events that would...
a Affect Daniel's people (i.e., Israel) - Dan 10:14
b. Take place "in the latter days, for the vision refers to many
days yet to come" - Dan 10:14
c. Occur in "the time of the end" - Dan 11:35,40; 12:4,9

2. From the context, "the time of the end" likely refers to the closing
days of God's dealings with Israel as His covenant nation; i.e.,...

my comment:
Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel. We are still in the closing days of God dealing with his covenent nation

a. The inter-testamental period between Malachi and Matthew

My comment:
NOT possable because Jesus came after that period.
b. The period involving the Greek-Persian and Egyptian-Syrian
conflicts
-- Which is how the phrase is used in "The Vision Of The Ram and The
Goat" that depicts many of the same events - cf. Dan 8:1-27
(esp. 17,26)

My comment:
Again cannot be understood in the context of Jesus in Matthew

Mat 24:15¶When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

My comment:
The prophesy of Jesus in Matthew 24 has nothing to do with (Antiochus Epiphanes) .
Jesus was speaking after the time of Antiochus, and of a future time.

When Albert Barnes wrote his commentary on Daniel, the gospel had not been preached to every nation and Israel had not been restored as a state.

Hence we in these last days have a very differant vantage point. likewise there was not a technology for rapid transet and communacation.

Only since the development of the computer chip has it been possable to track every transaction in the world as is required by the MARK OF THE BEAST.

So I am back to Daniel 11 and the raiser of taxes, who I think will be Barack Obama the next US president.He will have a short time in office.

Dan 11:21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.


I see this person as appointed by the UN to enforce martial law in the US because of civil unrest that cannot be controled by police, national guard or army because of their occupation of Iraq and distractions elsewhere.

It is likely to be Javier Solana

Dan 11:23And after the league [made] with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

The small people is ISRAEL and the 9 other countries of the EuroMed partnerships 10 Mediterranean Partners (Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Palestinian Authority, Syria, Tunisia and Turkey).

NOTICE all except ISRAEL are Islamic moderates and like israel, open to socielism

Dan 11:24He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do [that] which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: [yea], and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.


Enter where? The US and its fattest states.

Dan 11:25And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

The king ofthe south appears to be IRAN.

Dan 11:27And both these kings' hearts [shall be] to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end [shall be] at the time appointed.

SOLANA, EU, king of the north, and Iran, king of the south.

Dan 11:28Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart [shall be] against the holy covenant; and he shall do [exploits], and return to his own land.
Return to European Union with trade contracts.
And onward unto the END when Jesus returns.

Well thats the way the future last days look to me.

With love in Christ
brother daniel
 
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So.. how to control the nation that used to be invincible? Drive them into debt with war and tragedy.

Beloved gwnedd,
I have read Barnes commentary of Daniel in the past.
Its an old book published in 1853.

His CONCLUSION

1. We have seen that "The Vision Of The Time Of The End" describes
events that would...
a Affect Daniel's people (i.e., Israel) - Dan 10:14
b. Take place "in the latter days, for the vision refers to many
days yet to come" - Dan 10:14
c. Occur in "the time of the end" - Dan 11:35,40; 12:4,9

2. From the context, "the time of the end" likely refers to the closing
days of God's dealings with Israel as His covenant nation; i.e.,...

my comment:
Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel. We are still in the closing days of God dealing with his covenent nation

a. The inter-testamental period between Malachi and Matthew

My comment:
NOT possable because Jesus came after that period.
b. The period involving the Greek-Persian and Egyptian-Syrian
conflicts
-- Which is how the phrase is used in "The Vision Of The Ram and The
Goat" that depicts many of the same events - cf. Dan 8:1-27
(esp. 17,26)

My comment:
Again cannot be understood in the context of Jesus in Matthew

Mat 24:15¶When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

My comment:
The prophesy of Jesus in Matthew 24 has nothing to do with (Antiochus Epiphanes) .
Jesus was speaking after the time of Antiochus, and of a future time.

When Albert Barnes wrote his commentary on Daniel, the gospel had not been preached to every nation and Israel had not been restored as a state.

Hence we in these last days have a very differant vantage point. likewise there was not a technology for rapid transet and communacation.

Only since the development of the computer chip has it been possable to track every transaction in the world as is required by the MARK OF THE BEAST.

So I am back to Daniel 11 and the raiser of taxes, who I think will be Barack Obama the next US president.He will have a short time in office.

Dan 11:21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.


I see this person as appointed by the UN to enforce martial law in the US because of civil unrest that cannot be controled by police, national guard or army because of their occupation of Iraq and distractions elsewhere.

It is likely to be Javier Solana

Dan 11:23And after the league [made] with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

The small people is ISRAEL and the 9 other countries of the EuroMed partnerships 10 Mediterranean Partners (Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Palestinian Authority, Syria, Tunisia and Turkey).

NOTICE all except ISRAEL are Islamic moderates and like israel, open to socialism

Dan 11:24He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do [that] which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: [yea], and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.


Enter where? The US and its fattest states.

Dan 11:25And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

The king ofthe south appears to be IRAN.

Dan 11:27And both these kings' hearts [shall be] to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end [shall be] at the time appointed.

SOLANA, EU, king of the north, and Iran, king of the south.

Dan 11:28Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart [shall be] against the holy covenant; and he shall do [exploits], and return to his own land.
Return to European Union with trade contracts.
And onward unto the END when Jesus returns.

Well thats the way the future last days look to me.

With love in Christ
brother daniel
Beloved,
Yes this is whats happening.
As our sister Heron said,
"Drive them into debt with war and tragedy."
With love in Christ
brother daniel
 
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Beloved gwnedd,
I have read Barnes commentary of Daniel in the past.
Its an old book published in 1853.

His CONCLUSION

1. We have seen that "The Vision Of The Time Of The End" describes
events that would...
a Affect Daniel's people (i.e., Israel) - Dan 10:14
b. Take place "in the latter days, for the vision refers to many
days yet to come" - Dan 10:14
c. Occur in "the time of the end" - Dan 11:35,40; 12:4,9

2. From the context, "the time of the end" likely refers to the closing
days of God's dealings with Israel as His covenant nation; i.e.,...

my comment:
Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel. We are still in the closing days of God dealing with his covenent nation

a. The inter-testamental period between Malachi and Matthew

My comment:
NOT possable because Jesus came after that period.
b. The period involving the Greek-Persian and Egyptian-Syrian
conflicts
-- Which is how the phrase is used in "The Vision Of The Ram and The
Goat" that depicts many of the same events - cf. Dan 8:1-27
(esp. 17,26)

My comment:
Again cannot be understood in the context of Jesus in Matthew

Mat 24:15¶When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)



That was Rome. Anytime the temple is defiled it is an abomination of Desolation. Daniel 11 speak of Antioucus Epiphanies. Daniel 12 was Jacob's trouble in 70 AD. How can the temple, which represents Blasphemy against Christ ever be defiled? Gods tent is made by him in heaven now. See Hebrews 8-10. There is no holy place on earth to defile.

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The prophesy of Jesus in Matthew 24 has nothing to do with (Antiochus Epiphanes) .
Jesus was speaking after the time of Antiochus, and of a future time.
I agree, that is why I said Daniel 11. Matthew 24 speaks of the latter days of Jews and then Gentiles. The latter days of the Gentiles is near in my opinion. The temple was defiled before and after Christ. Both events are recorded and prophesied by Daniel.

When Albert Barnes wrote his commentary on Daniel, the gospel had not been preached to every nation and Israel had not been restored as a state.

Hence we in these last days have a very differant vantage point. likewise there was not a technology for rapid transet and communacation.
Again there are different contexts for latter days.

20: "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
21: Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it;
22: for these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all that is written.
23: Alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! For great distress shall be upon the earth and wrath upon this people;
24: they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
25: "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and upon the earth distress of nations in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves,
26: men fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
27: And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
This is echoed in Zechariah 11 (Jacobs trouble) and then the Day of the Lord 12-14.

Only since the development of the computer chip has it been possable to track every transaction in the world as is required by the MARK OF THE BEAST.
Right. agreed

So I am back to Daniel 11 and the raiser of taxes, who I think will be Barack Obama the next US president.He will have a short time in office.

Dan 11:21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
The enemies of God are quite simliar. Senacarib, Anticous, Nero but each event has its own context. Daniel 11 follows so closely I cannot see fit to apply it to the time of the Gentiles.

I see this person as appointed by the UN to enforce martial law in the US because of civil unrest that cannot be controled by police, national guard or army because of their occupation of Iraq and distractions elsewhere.

It is likely to be Javier Solana

Dan 11:23And after the league [made] with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
This was done exactly like Antiocus.

The small people is ISRAEL and the 9 other countries of the EuroMed partnerships 10 Mediterranean Partners (Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Palestinian Authority, Syria, Tunisia and Turkey).
A large force must cross the Euphrates. This will be ALL nations destroying Israel. The Sabbateans are looking to destroy the Jewish nation complely with all nations. Their Messiah will then destroy those nations .

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_97.html

We agree, just not in scope.

NOTICE all except ISRAEL are Islamic moderates and like israel, open to socielism

Dan 11:24He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do [that] which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: [yea], and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.


Enter where? The US and its fattest states.

Dan 11:25And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

The king ofthe south appears to be IRAN.
Iran is east. Seleucid and Ptolemy were North and then South.


Dan 11:27And both these kings' hearts [shall be] to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end [shall be] at the time appointed.

SOLANA, EU, king of the north, and Iran, king of the south.

Dan 11:28Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart [shall be] against the holy covenant; and he shall do [exploits], and return to his own land.
Return to European Union with trade contracts.
And onward unto the END when Jesus returns.

Well thats the way the future last days look to me.

With love in Christ
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I cannot agree to the references. We need to look to scripture not yet fulfilled , not those that have been. Daniel is becoming a distraction when Revelation is the key as is Zechariah 12-14. Daniel was for Israel.
 
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That was Rome. Anytime the temple is defiled it is an abomination of Desolation. Daniel 11 speak of Antioucus Epiphanies. Daniel 12 was Jacob's trouble in 70 AD. How can the temple, which represents Blasphemy against Christ ever be defiled? Gods tent is made by him in heaven now. See Hebrews 8-10. There is no holy place on earth to defile.
I agree, that is why I said Daniel 11. Matthew 24 speaks of the latter days of Jews and then Gentiles. The latter days of the Gentiles is near in my opinion. The temple was defiled before and after Christ. Both events are recorded and prophesied by Daniel.

Again there are different contexts for latter days.

This is echoed in Zechariah 11 (Jacobs trouble) and then the Day of the Lord 12-14.

Right. agreed

The enemies of God are quite simliar. Senacarib, Anticous, Nero but each event has its own context. Daniel 11 follows so closely I cannot see fit to apply it to the time of the Gentiles.

This was done exactly like Antiocus.

A large force must cross the Euphrates. This will be ALL nations destroying Israel. The Sabbateans are looking to destroy the Jewish nation complely with all nations. Their Messiah will then destroy those nations .

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_97.html

We agree, just not in scope.

Iran is east. Seleucid and Ptolemy were North and then South.


I cannot agree to the references. We need to look to scripture not yet fulfilled , not those that have been. Daniel is becoming a distraction when Revelation is the key as is Zechariah 12-14. Daniel was for Israel.[/quote]

Beloved gwynedd,
Matthew 24:15-24 is not yet fulfilled.
as to Zachariah when I read
Zec 12:10¶And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.


I am reading about the second coming again of Jesus and the response of those Jews who see it.

But what I am addressing now is the coming "raiser of taxes" just before the "Man Of Sin".

Dan 11:22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

This is where I see the Pope capitulate and yeald to the man of sin.

And next we have what Jesus fortold in Matthew 24:15
Dan 11:31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

What is the sanctuary of strength? It is Christians or body of Christ polluted by the false judaizing doctrines of the The Sabbateans, Synagogue of Satan and their Talmud.

The daily sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving in Jesus name is taken away by slaying disciples of Jesus who do not take the Mark, name or number of the BEAST.

With that comes great tribulation and then the first resurrection of the saints.

You dont have to agree, its just the way I see it at this time. I am still open and learning.

With love in Christ
brother daniel
 
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I agree, that is why I said Daniel 11. Matthew 24 speaks of the latter days of Jews and then Gentiles. The latter days of the Gentiles is near in my opinion. The temple was defiled before and after Christ. Both events are recorded and prophesied by Daniel.

Again there are different contexts for latter days.

This is echoed in Zechariah 11 (Jacobs trouble) and then the Day of the Lord 12-14.

Right. agreed

The enemies of God are quite simliar. Senacarib, Anticous, Nero but each event has its own context. Daniel 11 follows so closely I cannot see fit to apply it to the time of the Gentiles.

This was done exactly like Antiocus.

A large force must cross the Euphrates. This will be ALL nations destroying Israel. The Sabbateans are looking to destroy the Jewish nation complely with all nations. Their Messiah will then destroy those nations .

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_97.html

We agree, just not in scope.

Iran is east. Seleucid and Ptolemy were North and then South.


I cannot agree to the references. We need to look to scripture not yet fulfilled , not those that have been. Daniel is becoming a distraction when Revelation is the key as is Zechariah 12-14. Daniel was for Israel.

Beloved gwynedd,
Matthew 24:15-24 is not yet fulfilled.
as to Zachariah when I read
Zec 12:10¶And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.


I am reading about the second coming again of Jesus and the response of those Jews who see it.

But what I am addressing now is the coming "raiser of taxes" just before the "Man Of Sin".

Dan 11:22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

This is where I see the Pope capitulate and yeald to the man of sin.

And next we have what Jesus fortold in Matthew 24:15
Dan 11:31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

What is the sanctuary of strength? It is Christians or body of Christ polluted by the false judaizing doctrines of the The Sabbateans, Synagogue of Satan and their Talmud.

The daily sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving in Jesus name is taken away by slaying disciples of Jesus who do not take the Mark, name or number of the BEAST.

With that comes great tribulation and then the first resurrection of the saints.

You dont have to agree, its just the way I see it at this time. I am still open and learning.

With love in Christ
brother daniel[/quote]

However look at what you have stumbled upon! That could be an interesting take. The law is written on our hearts and the temple is the believer. That is a holy place Satan wishes to destroy.

1 Corthinians 4
16: Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
17: If any one destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and that temple you are.
As to a third temple being a holy place....

I have reached many of my conclusions recently as I had taken a hiatus from bible prophesy. So I cannot say I am not in a learning phase. What I am certain of now is there are two majot events being Jacob's trouble and the Day of the Lord and we unprofitably mix them. We also have other secondary events such as the Maccabean revolt and the war of Gog and Magog that are also thrown in adhoc.
The method of observing scripture was given to us by Jesus. Notice an overlooked detail by the Sadducess:

27: There came to him some Sadducees, those who say that there is no resurrection,
28: and they asked him a question, saying, "Teacher, Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies, having a wife but no children, the man must take the wife and raise up children for his brother.
29: Now there were seven brothers; the first took a wife, and died without children;
30: and the second
31: and the third took her, and likewise all seven left no children and died.
32: Afterward the woman also died.
33: In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife will the woman be? For the seven had her as wife."
34: And Jesus said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage;
35: but those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage,
36: for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
37: But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.
38: Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to him."
39: And some of the scribes answered, "Teacher, you have spoken well."
40: For they no longer dared to ask him any question.
To consider a third temple to be defiled overlooks the detail given to us. The true tent cannot be defiled.

1: Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
2: a minister in the sanctuary and the true tent which is set up not by man but by the Lord.
3: For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; hence it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer.
4: Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law.
5: They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary; for when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, "See that you make everything according to the pattern which was shown you on the mountain."
6: But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry which is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.
I worry we will look for the wrong things if we are not careful. What we will see is not the destruction of the holy place as in the desolation, it will be the creation of an act of blasphemy.

2 Thessalonians 2
3: Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition,
4: who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
5: Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?
6: And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
7: For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
8: And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming.
 
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But what I am addressing now is the coming "raiser of taxes" just before the "Man Of Sin".

Dan 11:22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
Here is where "covnenant" is used in Dan 9 and 11.
It appears only Dan 11:30 has the article "the" before it.

Daniel 9:27 and he shall cause to strenghthen [a] covenant, to many, one 7, and half/midst of the 7 he shall cause to cease [a] sacrifice and [a] present, and on [a] wing, abominations one making desolate and unto a finish and being decided she shall be poured forth on desolation [desolator?]

Daniel 11:22 and armed forces of the overwhelmer/flood, they shall be overwhelmed/overflowed before his face, and they shall be broken and morevoer a prince of a covenant.

Daniel 11:28 So then he will return to his own land, with great substance, with, his heart, set upon/against a covenant, holy one; yea he will act with effect, and return to his own land.

Daniel 11:30 For ships of Kittim shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and shall return, and have indignation on a covenant, holy one, and shall do [his pleasure]: he shall even return, and have regard unto them that forsake the holy covenant.

Daniel 11:32 And those acting wickedly [against] a covenant, he defileth by flatteries; and the people knowing their God are strong, and have wrought.
 
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Beloved gwynedd,
Matthew 24:15-24 is not yet fulfilled.
as to Zachariah when I read
Zec 12:10¶And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.


I am reading about the second coming again of Jesus and the response of those Jews who see it.

But what I am addressing now is the coming "raiser of taxes" just before the "Man Of Sin".

Dan 11:22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

This is where I see the Pope capitulate and yeald to the man of sin.

And next we have what Jesus fortold in Matthew 24:15
Dan 11:31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

What is the sanctuary of strength? It is Christians or body of Christ polluted by the false judaizing doctrines of the The Sabbateans, Synagogue of Satan and their Talmud.

The daily sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving in Jesus name is taken away by slaying disciples of Jesus who do not take the Mark, name or number of the BEAST.

With that comes great tribulation and then the first resurrection of the saints.

You dont have to agree, its just the way I see it at this time. I am still open and learning.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

However look at what you have stumbled upon! That could be an interesting take. The law is written on our hearts and the temple is the believer. That is a holy place Satan wishes to destroy.

As to a third temple being a holy place....

I have reached many of my conclusions recently as I had taken a hiatus from bible prophesy. So I cannot say I am not in a learning phase. What I am certain of now is there are two majot events being Jacob's trouble and the Day of the Lord and we unprofitably mix them. We also have other secondary events such as the Maccabean revolt and the war of Gog and Magog that are also thrown in adhoc.
The method of observing scripture was given to us by Jesus. Notice an overlooked detail by the Sadducess:

To consider a third temple to be defiled overlooks the detail given to us. The true tent cannot be defiled.


I worry we will look for the wrong things if we are not careful. What we will see is not the destruction of the holy place as in the desolation, it will be the creation of an act of blasphemy.[/quote]

Beloved,
When you say the true tent cannot be defiled you are correct when speaking about the Body of Christ in the spirit.

However there is today, what is called"THE VISABLE CHURCH and that is physical not the spiritual Body of Christ.

It will be an act of blasphemy for a leader of the Christian church such as the pope to say there are many paths to God.

What will the Pope say today as he meets in Rome with Islamic leaders?

Barack Obama who is not a Christian leader yet, but likely to be the next US president, has said such a thing.

Likewise it will be an act of blasphemy to knowingly take the name, MARK or number of the BEAST.

If I am correct about Obama being a raiser of taxes as in Daniel 11, then the MARK of the beast will quickly follow.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

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All you guys are wrong. the mark is a genetic disease which turns you into an alien.

Beloved,
This thread is based on Daniel 11 because it is part of eschatology, meaning study of the last days.

I opened with referance to Barack Obama, a likely candadate for the next president of the united States and raiser of taxes. who comes from a liberal humanistic, Islamic, Protistant and Roman Catholic background.

I suggested that if George W. Bush is in fact the KING of the North in Daniel 11, then Obama if elected will be the "tax raising king of the north".

Should that be the case then the person following Obamas short time in office will be the "Man of Sin and final King of the North who introduces the Mark of the Beast.

Its a scenario that I view has a high probability of happening as Obama is a lawyer with a strong supporter of the UN.

The peace agenda of the UN has an appealing sound but it is a godless.

It offers the same religious pluralism that brought down the Kingdom of Israel under Solomon.

Obama Obama studied for two years at Occidental College, before transferring to Columbia College at Columbia University. There he majored in political science, with a specialization in international relations. Upon graduation, he worked for a year at Business International Corporation (now part of The Economist Group), a company that provided international business information to corporate clients.

The Business International Corporation (BI) was a publishing and advisory firm dedicated to assisting American companies in operations abroad. In 1986, Business International was acquired by The Economist Group in London, and eventually merged with The Economist Intelligence Unit.

Founded in 1953 by Eldridge Haynes, BI initially focused on American companies and started out with a weekly newsletter and a group of key corporate clients. BI eventually became the premier information source on global business with research, advisory functions, and conferences and roundtables in addition to its publications. It was headquartered in New York City, with major offices in Geneva, London, Vienna, Hong Kong and Tokyo, and correspondents worldwide.

I point to Obama's education because it shows how he has been groomed for a role in the NEW WORLD ORDER

Columbia University where Obama studied has a long history of promoting Secular Humanism

The Ethical Culture movement
The movement was initiated in 1876 by Felix Adler in New York City with the founding of the New York Society for Ethical Culture

Felix Adler graduated from Columbia University in 1870 and moved to Germany where he received a doctorate from Heidelberg University. Starting in 1874 he spent two years at Cornell University as Professor of Oriental Languages and Hebrew before his "dangerous attitude" caused him to leave.
In 1902 Adler was given the chair of political and social ethics at Columbia University, which he held until his death in 1933.

Since around 1950 the Ethical Culture movement has been increasingly identified as part of the modern Humanist movement. Specifically, in 1952, the American Ethical Union, the national umbrella organization for Ethical Culture societies in the United States, became one of the founding member organizations of the International Humanist and Ethical Union.

After Columbia Obama moved to Chicago, where he took up community organizing in the Altgeld Gardens housing project on the city's South Side.

He left Chicago for three years to study law at Harvard University, where he was elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated magna cum laude. While working at a corporate law firm in the summer of 1989, Obama met Michelle Robinson, then an associate attorney at the firm; they married in 1992.

This man has been groomed for the top.

With love in Christ
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All you guys are wrong. the mark is a genetic disease which turns you into an alien.
Is this a joke? If not, would you care to explain?

In Christ,

Acts6:5
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That is why I love coming to this board. :)

Btw, here is where "covnenant" is used in Dan 9 and 11.
It appears only Dan 11:30 has the article "the" before it. I highly recommend a good interlinear, concordances and translation if you want to tackle Daniel, as this prominent theologian adviese:

http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html

......As I have noticed while comparing translations of different verses in the Bible, even the most literal translations can suddenly depart from literalism, perhaps visit the Greek Septuagint and abandon the Hebrew translation for a single verse, whenever some highly cherished doctrine might be threatened by a truly literal translation. Rule of thumb : you should never, ever rely exclusively on one single translation.)


http://www.scripture4all.org/

Daniel 9:27 and he shall cause to strenghthen [a] covenant, to many, one 7, and half/midst of the 7 he shall cause to cease [a] sacrifice and [a] present, and on [a] wing, abominations one making desolate and unto a finish and being decided she shall be poured forth on desolation [desolator?]

Daniel 11:22 and armed forces of the overwhelmer/flood, they shall be overwhelmed/overflowed before his face, and they shall be broken and morevoer a prince of a covenant.

Daniel 11:28 So then he will return to his own land, with great substance, with, his heart, set upon/against a covenant, holy one; yea he will act with effect, and return to his own land.

Daniel 11:30 For ships of Kittim shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and shall return, and have indignation on a covenant, holy one, and shall do [his pleasure]: he shall even return, and have regard unto them that forsake the holy covenant.

Daniel 11:32 And those acting wickedly [against] a covenant, he defileth by flatteries; and the people knowing their God are strong, and have wrought.
 
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