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1 Cor 15:23-25 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Cor 15 is speaking of the end that is why it is the LAST TRUMP OF GOD and it happens at the end of the world when Jesus Christ has put down all rule and authority.
For a person make the rapture apart from the ressurection is beyond me.(1) Question: The Lord in the book of Revelation says that the tribulation saints take part in the first resurrection. Explain how pre-trib ends up with a resurrection prior to the 'first' one.
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:
*******Pre-trib dosen't believe in a pre-tribulation resurection, just a pre-trib rapture. We are gathered in the air to be with Him. I am not sure what you mean by first resurection with trib. saints. The first resurection was 3 days after the cross. I know about a second comming but not a second resurection.
Coming into a dispensational forum and saying it just 'ain't so' isn't proving anything. Opinions don't matter. If someone has a problem with the truth that the body of Christ has a blessed hope and that the body of Christ is going to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air before the time of the great tribulation....then refute it from scripture.For a person make the rapture apart from the ressurection is beyond me.
There are no scripture to ptomote a pre-trib rapture whatsoever.
Many claim Rev.4:1 How exposing is this?
This could be true even if there is no pre-trib rapture.In other words... we must be with christ, BEFORE we are given new bodies. We are not given new bodies... until all the saints are in heaven.... but the pre trib saints will be with christ without their new bodies and waiting for the rest of the saints to come..
You have not proved it is pre-trib.Coming into a dispensational forum and saying it just 'ain't so' isn't proving anything. Opinions don't matter. If someone has a problem with the truth that the body of Christ has a blessed hope and that the body of Christ is going to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air before the time of the great tribulation....then refute it from scripture.
You come in crying error but you have not even presented what you do believe. You call truth error and give only your opinion. Not one verse of scripture. You are here to cause strife obviously. You can't refute anything you just want to stir up the brethren, which is generally what those who are IGNORANT of truth tend to do.This could be true even if there is no pre-trib rapture.
So you have proved nothing.
He that proves not enough proves nothing at all.
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:
I answered your question on the first page of the thread. Why have you not commented?(1) Question: The Lord in the book of Revelation says that the tribulation saints take part in the first resurrection. Explain how pre-trib ends up with a resurrection prior to the 'first' one.
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:
*******The first resurrection of Revelation is talking about Israel's prophesied resurrection; actually 2 resurrections separated by a period of 1000 years. (John 5:28,29, Revelation 20:4-6) Verses 12 through 14 are about the final resurrection of the unjust who then experience the second death and go to the lake of fire.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
The body of Christ is not appointed to wrath... will not go through the great tribulation and will be taken out before that happens...the "out resurrection" ...if you miss the mystery you miss that wonderful truth. It's not error....it's truth....we shall all be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye.
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The last trump.
There are seven trumpets of tribulation.
Then there are seven vials of wrath.
Those trumpets show us that time passes by.
The vials legitimately or potentially could all happen in one day.
We all agree about the twinkle of an eye.
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:
Wasn't Christ's resurrection the first? If so, how could the the passage in Revelation (20:4-5) be considered legitimate? There are other resurrection prior to the Tribulation saints, therefore the reference to first is according to kind rather than chronological order. The saved have a part in the first resurrection, the lost belong to the second.
Why are they exceptions? Your question asked how the pre-trib view explains resurrections prior to the one termed "first" in Revelation and I've done so. Please show me where you believe that information to be in error.reply #8
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Jesus and those others are exceptions.
Allow Revelation to speak the truth now.
While stating that resurrection is universal (John 5:25-29) Christ doesn't indicate there'll be a time intervening between the two classes He names, but He doesn't indicate there won't be either.
Christ's resurrection, which most ignore when examining this subject, is first, then those who belong to Him at His coming, which means about two thousand years have intervened at this point, and finally the "end resurrection," with a millenium between when all contrary authority is put down (Rev. 20:1-6, 12-15). Those who connect the last trump for the believers with the climax trumpet of the tribulation force the Church into the tribulation where Scripture never places it.