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I want to feel Gods presence

Can you guys please pray that I feel Jesus tangible presence it's been years since I felt him and I don't understand why and can you also please pray that God heals my mind and My thoughts and that I never have a negative thought never again and that Mt thoughts and mind are coverd by the blood of Jesus Christ thankyou

Several Newbie Questions

Hello everyone. I have several questions I can not get answers to. The question get avoided or the person gets defensive, or makes excuses. I will use the topic of movies and music as examples. Here are my questions:

Why does christian music copy secular music? A secular artist or style is hot, so christians copy it, why?
What is the deal with the "Satanic Panic" in music? Why are christians so fearful of evil if God has already won the war?
Why are christian films so bad? Poor acting, poor writing, etc.
It seems to be a pattern. If the world comes up with a book series, then christians have to copy it and make a "safe" option.
I am not sure if I am allowed to post links. Here are examples in YouTube: Seth Andrews: Copycats, Seth Andrews: The Satanic Panic.
I am not trying to be mean, I am genuinely curious as it will help me learn and understand. Thank you.

My story on how I found god!

Hello all, I'm Daniel from Israel, and I'll tell you my story in short about how I found Jesus!

10 months ago, I didn’t believe in anything. No God, no Jesus, nothing.

Until my life was saved by a real miracle!

I live in Israel. On October 7, 2023, we were attacked by terrorists. I was at the Nova festival at 6:30 AM when the party suddenly stopped, and all we heard were sirens and the whistles of rockets. There was nowhere to hide; we were in the middle of the desert. By 7:00 AM, terrorists were everywhere, and there was nowhere to run. Bullets and rockets were flying by my head.

We were 10 friends, and we all split up. I hid in an avocado field for 8 hours! No movement, no speaking, and almost no breathing. No army, no police, nothing like I knew. It was like real hell! Terrorists passed me 13 times, about 6 meters away, and didn’t notice me. Every time they passed near me, I thought it was the end and my life would end.

8 hours later, one of my friends who survived managed to reach me with his car (after saving many people! He was taking people out of the danger zone and coming back to save more!). After we managed to escape, I understood that God wants me to live because I have more work to do in this world! I decided to take that opportunity and rise. I promised myself to change all my bad habits and focus only on bringing good to the world and praying to Jesus!

I was born a Christian but never really cared about it. After that miracle, I understood that it was my sign to start believing. As a jewelry designer and a newly born Christian, I created a Jesus cross with the words “Protect and Save” (from Psalms 18:35) because that is what I feel happened to me on October 7.

I would love to hear your opinions!

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Australian ABC - "Donald Trump and the rise of Fox News" - Ooh - this is sweet!

I've been waiting for our ABC to cover this story for a long time.

Fox News is the brash cable TV network that has dominated both the ratings and the headlines in America, delivering revenue and power to the Murdoch family empire. For decades its catch cry was “fair and balanced.” Then along came Donald Trump. Four Corners investigates how Fox News went from a conservative voice to a 'propaganda organ' for Donald Trump that some former reporters say they're 'ashamed' to be associated with.​

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"I'm not saying it was run better. I'm saying that I don't believe he would have allowed it to get to this point," she told Four Corners.​
By "this point", she means Fox's surrender to Donald Trump during his presidency and the network's role in amplifying Trump's lies that the election was stolen from him. The claims of mass election fraud in the 2020 election provoked the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6.
Fox News didn't send the mob, but its worst outrage generators certainly fed their anger.​
"I think that they allowed the former president to dictate what news they put out to the American people … We're in a dangerous political climate in our country right now, sort of on the precipice of whether or not we're going to actually believe facts or we're not," Carlson said.​


Project Veritas Alumnus arrested for drunk & disorderly in Dearborn in May, upsetting plans to infiltrate pro-Palestinian groups

They hatched a plan to 'infiltrate' pro-Palestinian groups. Then they started drinking.

Michael Spadone, an ex-Project Veritas field director, was arrested after he and his group of “undercover journalists" got drunk and rowdy at a Michigan hotel, police said.

In May, a group of right-wing “undercover journalists" descended on a hotel in Michigan to prepare for a clandestine operation. Some of them were alums of Project Veritas, the conservative group known for elaborate sting operations targeting liberal organizations, journalists and unions.

They came to the city of Dearborn, which has a large Arab population, to infiltrate pro-Palestinian groups. But the effort was derailed on their first day in town when they got drunk and rowdy at their hotel, and the leader of the group was hauled off in handcuffs after he hurled insults and expletives at police officers, according to a police report and bodycam video obtained by NBC News.

But after 1 a.m. on May 24, Spadone was the one being recorded on video — a police body camera — as he threatened officers with the Dearborn Police Department.

“It’s amazing these [gentlefolk] hate America so much,” Spadone said during the 81-minute encounter.

"Weak-[butt] [parentlovers]," he added. "If they took their vest off and their badges, they’d get knocked the [love] out. ..."

Just believe

Hi should we just believe Gods word as it is or should we try and manipulate it to suit our theology even if we do not understand what we read should we just believe what it says its Gods word it can't possibly be wrong
When God says he created the world and everything in it then that's what he did we must believe it not disect every word of scripture trying to prove it's right or wrong all we have to do is believe.

Love and Peace
Dave
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Struggling with hatred of islam

Hello brothers and sisters,

I have many sins that I need to work on but today’s confession is that I can’t help but despise islam and muslims, both for all the things they’ve done to oppress, enslave and genocide us Orthodox and for their conscious choice to follow a pedophile murderer as a prophet.

I always try to impede them in any way I can and it pains me that my country will not fight back against them. But to hate them is wrong, not something God would want of me.

What are you all’s thoughts?

HYPOTHETICAL ONLY: Could the Republican Party 'do a Biden' and dump Trump & Vance?

I know he is already the accepted nominee.
But if it turns out this Kamala phenomenon keeps growing and drastically overtakes Trump - is there a process for revoking Trump's nomination and doing a last minute emergency installation of someone else? Pulling a 'Biden' in effect? What kind of positions in the party would decide such a thing? (Not names, but titles - party infrastructure and systems - this is not about identifying potential 'traitors' to the cause.)

Hell's demographics

For this discussion, let's define "hell" as "the place of the dead," signifying a spiritual separation from God and His grace. The nature of hell, whether it's considered eternal punishment or a lake of fire leading to annihilation, is not the focus here. Instead, the intended topic is what actions or behaviors you believe will lead a person to hell and what types of individuals, if any, will be found there.

Can man and woman be friends ?

Hi,

Just open discussion. Can men and women be friends ? My experience is no. Thing is I observe the following, with my guy friends both do equal effort to keep the friendship alive. I call them to hangout and do stuff and sometimes they call me to hangout.
In my experience as an average guy, With women they never do effort to keep the friendship alive, it is always the men that have to do the effort, is this real friendship ? Not imo.
Maybe the chads have different experience because of their chad powers,

Br,

Was the book of Job the first book of the Bible before Genesis

Unlike Genesis however, we don’t know the author of Job and we are not sure exactly when this book was written, though some scholars place this book as written possibly up to 400 years before Genesis.

The reason Job is considered to potentially be the oldest book in the Bible is also because of some of the content within it such as;


Job 1:6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. “Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.

From this passage we can see that Satan has not yet been exiled from heaven to earth.

Job 38:7 while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

This passage tells us who the sons of God are, they are the angels. Now go to Genesis 6:1 ;

Now when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose.

So we know now that it was angels who came down to earth to mate with women.

Also in Job we have the mention of Leviathan & Behemoth & Satan had God's permission to test Job

So was there a time before Genesis ?

AI, the value of money, and the mark of the beast...

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. - Revelation 13:16-17

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End Time

Matthew 24 shows us that our Lord Jesus Christ expects us to be keeping the Sabbath up to His second coming. Please follow along.
There are three questions asked by the Apostles in verse 3. First is when shall the Temple be destroyed. The second is when shall be the sign of Jesus' coming. And the third is when shall be the end of the world.

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Matt 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

All three questions are answered as one. Everything Jesus says is connected to what is previously stated by the use of particles, conjunctive particles and adverbs. These conjunctive particles are "and" which is copulative and sometimes culminative in nature. "For", which assigns a reason to what was previously stated. "But" which is adversative or continuative in nature.

Verse 9 starts with the adverb then. Everything previously stated leads up to this point by the use of the particles, for in verse 5 and in verse 6, and for in verse 7. And all this is said in direct context to verse 6 in respect to the end being not yet.



Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

But that is not the end of it. Jesus continues in verses 10-14 with the conjunctive particle and, and, and, but respectively. Which means he is continuing, adding on to what He had already said.

In this respect he continues to tie everything he is about to say to what was previously stated in verse 6, that the end not yet. There is not a break. It is the same context. And that context is in respect the end not yet being.



Matt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Verses 15-20 are a little different in the words being used. Verse 15 starts off with two conjunctive particles. These words as you can see are when and therefore. And the word "see" is being said in the second person. So we get, "when you therefore see". The words "when ye therefore" tie into what Jesus already said to what he is about to say. So the proceeding text adds to what was said in respect to what will occur before the end that is not yet. It says when you shall see the abomination of desolations spoken by Daniel standing in the Holy Place.

The abomination of desolation is the culmination of the signs in which we will see in relation to the question as to when the end is. Verses 6 and 13 solidify this context in that they mention the end. When we see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place we are instructed, if in Judea to flee into the Mountains quickly. And to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor on the Sabbath Day. Since we see that this prophecy is about when the end is, we see that this is speaking of the time right before Jesus, coming and the end of this world. As was said, verses 6 and 13 have set the context to which Jesus is speaking. And the context is the answer as to when the end would be. Keep in mind Jesus is talking to His Apostles, the first Christians. Therefore He is speaking to us.


Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Matt 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matt 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matt 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

As you can see in respect to when the end shall be, our Lord and Savior councils us in verse 20 to flee when we see the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place, and to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor on the Sabbath Day. Which means prior to the end Jesus expected His followers, us to be resting on the Sabbath and keeping the day Holy. The fact that Judea is mentioned means that the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place is tied to that region. Whether it is being said in respect to the destruction of the Temple or something else is subject to debate. Most believe it is. We would teach the abomination of desolation would be the building of it in the name of our God and Father rather than the destruction. Even the very site in which it was is nothing since we are now the Temple and God's Spirit dwells in us through Christ. A building of a third Temple would be a direct affront unto our God and all He did for us in Christ.

As He continues, He tells us why we should flee by using the word "for" in verse 21. He says, for then shall be great tribulation as never was. And as He proceeds, He uses the word "and" connecting what is about to be said to what was previously stated in relation to when the end would be. He says unless this tribulation be shorten there would be none of us left. And at this time when He explains the tribulation is shortened, He uses the word then. He says at the end of this tribulation, then at this moment, many false Christs shall arrive showing great signs and wonders. And if it were possible they would deceive the very elect, us. He says Believe it not. For behold as I have told you before. As lighten cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west so also shall be the coming of the Son of man be.


Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So with that, what we see so far is the signs as to when the end will be close. And as we see these signs we are called to flee and hope that are flight not be in the winter neither the Sabbath day. In that we see that Jesus expects His follows to still be resting on the Sabbath Day and keeping it Holy. And at this that we are fleeing there shall be tribulation as there has never been before. And after this tribulation is shortened for our sake we shall also start seeing incredible, miraculous signs and wonders being done by those whom profess to be Christ. Saying He is here and there. Believe it not For as lightening cometh from the east and shineth even unto the west even so shall the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcass is due to the tribulation that is shortened, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Then immediately after these days of tribulation the sun shall be darkened, the moon shall not give her light, the stars shall fall from heaven and the very powers of heaven shall be shaken. And THEN shall appear the Son of man in Heaven immediately after the tribulation. And all the tribes of the earth shall morn as they see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great Glory. And at this time He shall send His Angels with the sound of a great Trumpet. And they shall gather together the elect who were not deceived. From one end of heaven unto another. Amen




Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

French-made cross I might get in August 2024

Hello folks. For a long time, my neck is sensitive to touch, so I have not worn necklaces that much. Today, I found a cross made in France. It is 5 cm (2 inches long), and is made of rosewood and metal. Stuff made in Europe is high quality, plus the Jesus on the cross looks realistic. Even though France botched the Olympics, the French at one point in time were very religious and made crosses (it is a crying shame that France fell away from Christianity). Worse case scenario, if I still do not like wearing necklaces, I could use it as an ornament on my Christmas tree in December.

France has nice food, nice cities, beautiful countryside, beautiful women, and advanced technology such as Mistral AI and aviation such as Airbus.

Apparently, France has cool crosses as well.

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Art Historian Discovers Long-Lost Portrait of Henry VIII in Background of Social Media Post

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Social media allows for the darndest things: like this story from the UK where an art consultant and historian saw a post on X and noticed a lost work of art hanging in the background.

It was in the judge’s room of the Shire Court in Warwickshire, England, where the Lord Lieutenant of Warwickshire was hosting a soiree.

Art historian and consultant for Sotheby’s, Dr. Adam Busiakiewicz, came across the post on X by Warwickshire Lieutenancy by chance and noticed a portrait with a distinctive arched top depicting that most famous of English kings, Henry VIII.

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Adventists - voting on moral issues -- a mandate?

Lev 18 lists what God calls "abominations" -- moral issues.
Rom 1 addresses moral issues
1 Cor 6 addresses moral issues.

Should Adventists vote when it comes to moral issues even if imperfect politicians are on both sides of the moral issue?

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"'Shall we vote for prohibition?' she asked. 'Yes, to a man,
everywhere,' she replied, 'and perhaps I shall shock some of you if I say,
If necessary, vote on the Sabbath day for prohibition if you cannot at any
other time."'--Ibid. {3BIO 160.1}

WCTU and Sunday –

“The WCTU made Sunday Closing a special project and asked WCTU members to send petitions to Congress”

Moral Reconstruction; by Gains Foster p101

Moral Reconstruction

According to the Ellen White Estate “Mrs. S. M. I. Henry… was the national evangelist for the Women’s Christian Temperance Union. A serious health problem led her to the Battle Creek Sanitarium where she accepted the Adventist message and was also miraculously healed. In December, 1898, Mrs. White wrote as follows regarding the relation of Mrs. Henry to the W.C.T.U.:

“I thank the Lord with heart, and soul, and voice that you have been a prominent and influential member of the Women’s Christian Temperance Union… The Lord does not bid you separate from the Women’s Christian Temperance Union. They need all the light you can give them… Flash all the light possible into their pathway. You can agree with them on the ground of the pure, elevating principles that first brought into existence the Women’s Christian Temperance Union.” Letter 118, 1898.
According to the White Estate; “at the time when this letter was received by Mrs. Henry, she had tendered her resignation as an officer of the Women’s Christian Temperance Union. Regarding this she wrote to Mrs. White on February 3, 1899 as follows:

“I cannot begin to tell you how thankful I am that the Lord sent the word to me just in time to prevent me from taking the final step which would have severed my relation to the W. C. T. U. This was one of the most remarkable manifestations of the personal and constant care of God over His children which I have ever had. . . The message coming just at that opportune time, and so clearly from the Lord that I could have no question concerning it, I simply wrote withdrawing my resignation.”
Mrs. White wrote her back; “I was greatly pleased with your letter, in which you give me the history of your experience with the W. C. T. U. When I read it, I said, ‘Thank the Lord. That is seed sowing which is of value.’ I am pleased, so much pleased. The Lord has certainly opened your way. Keep it open if possible. A work can be accomplished by you. Preserve your strength for such efforts. Attend important gatherings when you can. . . .

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