Vote fraud alert: One out of five registered Ohio voters is bogus

[Veritas]

Shouldn't we tackle absentee fraud first, or at the same time at least, considering it happens much more frequently, and is much easier to pull off?

Are you referring to absentee ballots? I've always been uncomfortable with any system that doesn't require a legitimate voter to show up and cast a ballot. That said, there will always be good reasons why that can pose a problem. Out-of-town, elderly, in hospital, etc. Truth be know, I have voted absentee for over 15 years now. In fact, it's just about the only way people vote where I live. And yes, it concerns me. Think of a bunch of nursing home residents whose ballots are just confiscated by staff and voted by them. You know it happens. I had a friend that has been voting his elderly mother's ballot for years.

 

[Vylo]

Are you referring to absentee ballots? I've always been uncomfortable with any system that doesn't require a legitimate voter to show up and cast a ballot. That said, there will always be good reasons why that can pose a problem. Out-of-town, elderly, in hospital, etc. Truth be know, I have voted absentee for over 15 years now. In fact, it's just about the only way people vote where I live. And yes, it concerns me. Think of a bunch of nursing home residents whose ballots are just confiscated by staff and voted by them. You know it happens. I had a friend that has been voting his elderly mother's ballot for years.

I'm not saying to do away with it, but it has a huge fraud problem relative to in person voting.

It seems odd we are going after the more secure method...

 

[JCSr]

Are you referring to absentee ballots? I've always been uncomfortable with any system that doesn't require a legitimate voter to show up and cast a ballot. That said, there will always be good reasons why that can pose a problem. Out-of-town, elderly, in hospital, etc. Truth be know, I have voted absentee for over 15 years now. In fact, it's just about the only way people vote where I live. And yes, it concerns me. Think of a bunch of nursing home residents whose ballots are just confiscated by staff and voted by them. You know it happens. I had a friend that has been voting his elderly mother's ballot for years.

That means you are uncomfortable with soldiers stationed overseas voting via absentee ballot, correct?

 

[stamperben]

Here's some

Okay, of Abbott's "50" convictions it seems 29 of them need to be subtracted. That leaves a grand total of what? (Let's see now... Using that 'rithmitic stuff Clinton talked about...) 31! Since 2002 when Abbott gained office. And that's in the great state of Texas with the second largest population in these here United States. And most of them were small town stuff to obtain an election of a mayor or county judge. I'm sorry, I'm not seeing the wholesale throwing of national elections here.

What else you wanna discuss?

 

[mpok1519]

Often registered voters live in areas where they did not register; this is true for almost all college students.

 

[psalms 91]

This is a non issue that is strictly political. Perhaps a better issue would be redistricting according to politics instead of a fairer way to do it

 

[Touma]

Until it becomes voter fraud.

By that logic, we should outlaw gas peddles. Alone, they are nothing bad....BUT, when you speed, then its a bad thing. So to make sure no one ever does that bad thing, we just outlaw that thing which has potential to be bad.

Problem solved

 

[Illuminaughty]

Conservatives like to point to instances of fraud (or in this case not even real fraud) that would be uneffected by ID laws as proof that we need ID laws.

 

[kermit]

So if it's no big deal, than why not just clean up the voter roles? What reason could you possibly have to make sure that all voters are legitimate?

I never said that it wasn't a big deal and I generally support voter ID laws. But conflating terms only serves to hurt the effort to tighten voting legitimacy.

Unless of course you wanted Democrats to have an unfair advantage. It seems that because of the Lefts extreme objection every time the issue is raised, they ASSUME that all these illegitimate voters MUST be voting for D's. What if they were actually voting for R's? Would that upset you?

Disenfranchising any legitimate voter upsets me. But as a PA GOP poltician has already admitted their voter ID law is intended to help Romney win the state. In Florida, the voter purge did disproportionality affect Democratic voting blocks.

Like I said, I generally support voter ID laws and any law that adds legitimacy to our voting system. This is why I don't support the GOP in this issue. Their actions have been by and large efforts to disenfranchise Dem voters and do little to stop actual voter fraud.

 

[TScott]

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I hate to break it to the alramists who think it's cool to get all worked up, but actual voter fraud is essentially non-existent in the US. Of the 2000+ cases reprted it turns out that only 10 cases of actual in person voter fraud since 2000. If you consider there are about 145 million voters in the US, and that there have been, what, 5 Federal elections since then, the number becomes completely insignificant.

Source: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=voter%20fraud%20cases&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CFYQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.azcentral.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Farticles%2F20120817voter-fraud-rare-united-states.html&ei=BolXUPKSIezgigLw54HAAw&usg=AFQjCNFCyltRV1qwnMTs4BKRBRh1VbE0Kw

 

[MachZer0]

Okay, of Abbott's "50" convictions it seems 29 of them need to be subtracted. That leaves a grand total of what? (Let's see now... Using that 'rithmitic stuff Clinton talked about...) 31! Since 2002 when Abbott gained office. And that's in the great state of Texas with the second largest population in these here United States. And most of them were small town stuff to obtain an election of a mayor or county judge. I'm sorry, I'm not seeing the wholesale throwing of national elections here.

What else you wanna discuss?

Interesting that Politifact gave no reason for subtracting the 29. Interesting that you didn't question that either. Having said that, how many incidents of voter fraud are acceptable to you?

 

[KarateCowboy]

How are integrity constraints repressive?

 

[Veritas]

That means you are uncomfortable with soldiers stationed overseas voting via absentee ballot, correct?

Not if they vote for Republicans.

How are integrity constraints repressive?

Because you can always use them as a race card.

 

[Illuminaughty]

Why would a libertarian want people to vote Republican?

 

[Vylo]

Interesting that Politifact gave no reason for subtracting the 29. Interesting that you didn't question that either. Having said that, how many incidents of voter fraud are acceptable to you?

Any method that disenfranchises more valid voters then fraud it would prevent isn't very useful.

 

[TScott]

Why would a libertarian want people to vote Republican?

That is a good question.

 

[MachZer0]

Any method that disenfranchises more valid voters then fraud it would prevent isn't very useful.

Trouble is we have no reports of disenfranchisement of valid voters

 

[stamperben]

Interesting that Politifact gave no reason for subtracting the 29. Interesting that you didn't question that either. Having said that, how many incidents of voter fraud are acceptable to you?

I'm sorry you missed what they said. It's in there.

Of course no fraud should be accepted, but with millions of voters a miniscule number such as we have, that do not affect presidential races, will need to be tolerated, going after the 31 in ten years, or 3.1 cases a year as Abbott did.

 

[MachZer0]

I'm sorry you missed what they said. It's in there.

Of course no fraud should be accepted, but with millions of voters a miniscule number such as we have, that do not affect presidential races, will need to be tolerated, going after the 31 in ten years, or 3.1 cases a year as Abbott did.

What they said was that they subtracted 29, and gave no valid reason. Voter fraud is like cockroaches. For every one you see, there are plenty you don't see.

 

[Skaloop]

Both sides should be equally concerned about registration fraud, voter fraud, voting machine hack-ability, AND disenfranchisement of voters.

I think both sides are concerned with it, it's their respective positions on how to deal with it that are at issue.