Muslim Faith

[SoulFly51]

I found this posted in the Deeper Fellowship section of the forums. I found it interesting so I thought I would post it here for you all to see. Keep in mind that Muslims claim to be apart of a loving religion.

Here are a few quotes from the Koran:

Originally posted by ydouxist:

Sura 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."

Sura 9.5 "When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters whereever you find them."

Sura 47.4 "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives."



Now read this:


Originally posted by Kuntrygirl_26:

I got this in an e-mail and I thought it was very interesting! The man made a very good point that I have thought to myself for years! Hope yall like it!
anna

Muslim Belief

This is a must read -- it's short but Very informative!
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!


Allah or Jesus? by Rick Mathes


Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief systems.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.

The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.


After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.


When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:
"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all
Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"


There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"


I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"


The ___expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"


The Imam was speechless.


I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you
a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the
Islamic, Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs.


I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized.


Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.

This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry.







Thoughts?

 

[W Jay Schroeder]

It makes you wander does it not. the truth is not always pleasent. But i believe its true they are growing because they do not have abortions and believe in large families and high morals(to a point). All of which Christians are told to do and dont. Look at France and see how they have slowly been taking on a lot of influence in what they believe. mainly against Isreal and America. Take control from inside out.

 

[SoulFly51]

The Muslim faith also denies the diety of Jesus Christ and therefore falls into the category of "anti-Christ."

 

[AJ]

The Muslim faith also denies the diety of Jesus Christ and therefore falls into the category of "anti-Christ."

I agree.

 

[Andyman_1970]

One thing to keep in mind is that "normal" muslims (esspecially here in the US) are nothing like those who fly airplanes into buildings. Those extremeists are the Muslim version of Christians who blowup abortion clinics.

Another thing to keep in mind is although there are many muslims who consider us evil and are tryin hard to kill us, we need to remember what Jesus said about loving our enemies.

 

[julian the apostate]

and another thing to remember
from an urban myth web site regarding this story:


Reporter Greg Kearney, writing for the Lee News Service, traced the story to a correctional facility in Fulton, Missouri, and came away with a decidedly different version of events from Missouri state officials.

According to Tim Kniest, Public Information Officer for the Missouri Department of Corrections, the event described was a training program for prison volunteers, for which ministers from several faiths were invited to give presentations in order to acquaint prison volunteers with the varied religious beliefs of the inmate population. The man who gave the presentation about Islam was not a Muslim minister; he was an inmate pressed into service to present a short film on Islam and answer some questions when the prison's Volunteer Coordinator was "unable to find an Imam to speak."

Moreover, reported Mr. Kniest, the prison's Volunteer Coordinator said that "The inmate did a good job," adding, "He was asked a few questions that were beyond his ability to answer. But he was not asked anything like that question [in the editorial]":

. . . the Volunteer Coordinator at the prison said that no such exchange as the editorial reported ever took place. "He certainly did not 'Hang his head in shame'," according to Kniest. In fact, the inmate was thanked by the assembly before being escorted back to his quarters. Furthermore, the coordinator does not recall any questions dealing with jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world as reported in the editorial.

In the editorial the inmate is presented as an Imam, or Islamic minister, which he clearly was not.
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[Kripost]

For one thing the exchange is unlikely to have taken place. One tell-tale sign is the final section which insists it is a true story. Secondly, there is no exact date and venue given.

Thirdly, no iman would be so stupid as to give such a direct answer to the first question,

"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

Notice, the answer was a direct "Non-believers!" There was no clarrification, no qualification, no explaination, and more importantly, no objections to to premises set before the question, and no attempt to remove any possible misrepresentation, especially in the context of a multi-religious dialogue.

Any educated muslim would object to the definition given to the word jihad, and at least put additional qualifiers to the command to all muslims.

 

[MbiaJc]

The Muslim faith also denies the diety of Jesus Christ and therefore falls into the category of "anti-Christ."

I believe the false prophet in Rev. will be of the Islamic faith?

 

[Iron Lion]

Any educated muslim would object to the definition given to the word jihad, and at least put additional qualifiers to the command to all muslims.

I agree.

You would be hard pressed to find a muslim who would say that Jihad means holy war.

I think think the literal meaning of Jihad is "struggle" and an act of jihad could mean one of many things.

This story does come off as a fake i believe.

 

[Bachan]

One thing to keep in mind is that "normal" muslims (esspecially here in the US) are nothing like those who fly airplanes into buildings. Those extremeists are the Muslim version of Christians who blowup abortion clinics.

Another thing to keep in mind is although there are many muslims who consider us evil and are tryin hard to kill us, we need to remember what Jesus said about loving our enemies.

One thing also to keep in mind is this (and actually opposite of your first statement):

Following the Bible to the letter produces a strong willed or minded (great responsibility successfully handled) yet decidedly humble individual full of grace for fellow man - essentially. (I didn't say "peace" as war has nothing to do with it.)

It is the liberal christian, as defined by one who ignores or changes a few passages, who become "off the rocker" so to speak, who believe it's their right and God's commandment to kill (murder), hurt, or otherwise violently persuade those not of his/her faith. It was a misunderstanding that lead to the Crusades (ignoring the political and protection issues).

Following the Koran to the letter produces an individual with some of what we here in the States would otherwise label "social issues" or "social problems" (an anti-social individual) as well as the belief similar to those held by those we term "terrorists".

It is the liberal muslim, as defined by one who has ignored or changed a few passages, who are "peaceful". This "holy war" waged by "terrorists" is not a misunderstanding of passages.

I'm open to hearing if there is support for another viewpoint, but having done some broad summation of what the Bible says (grace and interaction with non-believers) and a broader (less detailed) exposure to what the Koran says (interaction w/ non-believers, non-muslims) the only conclusion I have come to is expressed above. (A few others including those studying or former muslims have agreed - google search.) The only exception might be that the Koran apparently has a bit of duality in regards to treatment of Jews and Christians. A few surahs (?) indicate brotherhood and peaceful interaction while others indicate death and destruction.

 

[Daily Miracle]

I don't think this is a fair analysis of the Koran. Atheists and non-Christians have taken parts of the Bible to show Christians the same point.

 

[MbiaJc]

One thing to keep in mind is that "normal" muslims (esspecially here in the US) are nothing like those who fly airplanes into buildings. Those extremeists are the Muslim version of Christians who blowup abortion clinics.

Another thing to keep in mind is although there are many muslims who consider us evil and are tryin hard to kill us, we need to remember what Jesus said about loving our enemies.

Yeah they are different, they fell over backwards lafing and gave their kids candy, saying we got what we deserved.

Jesus said to love our enemies right.

God also said Ishmale was a wild ass man roaming the desert and would never get along with his brethern.

I can love them a hole lot better if they are in the middle east and not here in the US.

I don't trust any of them as far as I can spit.

If I go in a store and see they own it, I leave and don't go back.

 

[Iron Lion]

Yeah they are different, they fell over backwards lafing and gave their kids candy, saying we got what we deserved.

Jesus said to love our enemies right.

God also said Ishmale was a wild ass man roaming the desert and would never get along with his brethern.

I can love them a hole lot better if they are in the middle east and not here in the US.

I don't trust any of them as far as I can spit.

If I go in a store and see they own it, I leave and don't go back.

Such nasty words

I bet Jesus would be happy about that aditude. Hate all because of what some did.

By the way, how can you "tell" if you have walked into a muslim owned store? Do you decide you dont like the look of the race of the person at the counter and leave?

By the way, Islam is the fastes growing religion in the US so you better get used to them.

Being a Christian doesnt mean we cant like all people who arent christian. I still love our muslim brothers and hope that they find the true meaning of the teachings of Jesus rather than believing that Jesus was just a great prophet like the quran says.,